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InterestInMycology
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P.Cinctulus ID *DELETED*
#18740992 - 08/22/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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shroomlowie



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These could be panaeolus papilionaceus, explaining the black spore print.
Cinctulus isn't normally found on dung whereas papilionaceus is.
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Gravija
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I don't think these are P. papilionaceus at all. P. cinctulus is possible, but I think another species is more likely. This collection won't get very far without microscopy.
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shroomlowie said:
Cinctulus isn't normally found on dung whereas papilionaceus is.
P. cinctulus is very commonly found on horse dung and stable muck.
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Re: P.Cinctulus ID [Re: Gravija]
#18741095 - 08/22/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gravija said: I don't think these are P. papilionaceus at all. P. cinctulus is possible, but I think another species is more likely. This collection won't get very far without microscopy.
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shroomlowie said:
Cinctulus isn't normally found on dung whereas papilionaceus is.
P. cinctulus is very commonly found on horse dung and stable muck.
My bad, I read that on wikipedia Quote:
Wikipedia: Panaeolus cinctulus is a cosmopolitan species that grows solitary to gregarious to cespitose on compost piles, well-fertilized lawns and gardens, and rarely directly on horse dung http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cinctulus
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fry day


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My bad, I read that on wikipedia
Hawhawhaw.
So this is where you learn never to fully believe or ever quote wikipedia. It's a fine point to begin a search, but if you're interested in information that's fact instead of consensus based you might want to range further afield and compare multiple sources.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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jpshroomer
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Re: P.Cinctulus ID [Re: Gravija]
#18742947 - 08/22/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gravija said: I don't think these are P. papilionaceus at all. P. cinctulus is possible, but I think another species is more likely. This collection won't get very far without microscopy.
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shroomlowie said:
Cinctulus isn't normally found on dung whereas papilionaceus is.
P. cinctulus is very commonly found on horse dung and stable muck.
I pick cincts out of cow dung alot around my area..They get ver tall thick stems with meaty caps and always bruise blue at bottom...those are nt cincts..The stype has no twisted lines it the dont even look like cincts..def pans tho not clue what kind..what about s hinctrinus?
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Hashfinger
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Panaeolus fimicola/ater? I think they're kind of doing their "thing" right about now in N. GA.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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wintersbefore
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My guess is that these are something closer to P. papilionaceus because the stem is thin and reddish, they were found on dung, and because in the third picture, even though these are pretty wet ad tattered, on the fourth cap down, I see near the rim, some veil remnants clinging there still (just above the rim, and whitish).
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Hashfinger
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wintersbefore said: My guess is that these are something closer to P. papilionaceus because the stem is thin and reddish, they were found on dung, and because in the third picture, even though these are pretty wet ad tattered, on the fourth cap down, I see near the rim, some veil remnants clinging there still (just above the rim, and whitish).
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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shroomlowie



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Re: P.Cinctulus ID [Re: fry day]
#18743318 - 08/22/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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fry day said:
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My bad, I read that on wikipedia
Hawhawhaw.
So this is where you learn never to fully believe or ever quote wikipedia. It's a fine point to begin a search, but if you're interested in information that's fact instead of consensus based you might want to range further afield and compare multiple sources.
I already know not to completely trust wikipedia, I don't. Hence why I put 'my bad'. I also have never found cincts on dung but only around it, from my personal experience. Papilionaceus or other panaeolus seem to be much more common on dung. I was just shedding some light and giving OP an idea so he could search papilionaceus and compare. I wasn't giving a perfect identification. Just thought I'd help considering I'm quite experienced with cincts.
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fry day


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I'm not doggin' YOU, bro. I was outraged when I discovered that the info that gets into wikipedia is "consensus based". It's not well known. I can't remember if it was vid or audio or the author (maybe Anton Wilson?), but there was a factual error in his wiki and he couldn't get it changed because he couldn't point to any "consensus" on the real story, even though the fact was about his work and, y'know, HIS WORK. Years later he finally got it changed after he published the "fact" in an article.
So, as far as wiki is concerned, if 5 internet sites spew the same incorrect nonsense and none counter, it's fact. ;-)
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: P.Cinctulus ID [Re: fry day]
#18743554 - 08/22/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, as far as wiki is concerned, if 5 internet sites spew the same incorrect nonsense and none counter, it's fact. ;-)
No, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, if you can't support your statement with references, then it needs consensus. If you have no trouble adequately referencing your articles, then you won't a problem with stuff getting deleted. Just do it.
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shroomlowie



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Re: P.Cinctulus ID [Re: fry day]
#18743773 - 08/22/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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fry day said: I'm not doggin' YOU, bro. I was outraged when I discovered that the info that gets into wikipedia is "consensus based". It's not well known. I can't remember if it was vid or audio or the author (maybe Anton Wilson?), but there was a factual error in his wiki and he couldn't get it changed because he couldn't point to any "consensus" on the real story, even though the fact was about his work and, y'know, HIS WORK. Years later he finally got it changed after he published the "fact" in an article.
So, as far as wiki is concerned, if 5 internet sites spew the same incorrect nonsense and none counter, it's fact. ;-)
I know your not bro, all peaceful vibes 
I only used wikipedia as a reference to show where my misunderstanding on cinctulus growing on dung came from
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