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evileye001
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is to much light bad for shrooms?
#18729629 - 08/19/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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in my fruiting chamber i have 2 small night lights sticking into the box. (only the bulb exposed, no electronics so humidity cant get to the circuits.)
i use them mostly for the heat they give off to keep the fc nice and warm and to help keep the humidity high. i leave them on 24/7 so its stays around 75-80 degrees.
can too much light hurt them or do the not know the difference between a little and a lot of light?
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: evileye001]
#18729739 - 08/19/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't leave them on all the time. I also wouldn't have them inside the fc. Its ok if the temp drops a little bit. That actually helps fruiting. And shrooms don't need light to grow like plants. It just tells them wich way to grow.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: huffinglue]
#18730021 - 08/19/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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12/12 is best throughout the whole process and develops a circadian rhythm (indirect for colonization and direct for fruiting). Is the room you're fruiting them in cold or something? As for the humidity, the heat from the light's not gonna raise it. Is your humidity low or something? What kind of FC are you using?
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: mushmagic]
#18730162 - 08/19/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used 24/7 light on last grow because I didnt have a choice.
I had a successful grow, wasnt my best, but I dont know if the light influenced it at all. It was a new grow area in which I wasnt able to control many factors.
Short story, you can do 24/7.
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evileye001
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: Mush Freak]
#18740283 - 08/21/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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is there any study that shows the affect of different light levels on shrooms? every body knows they dont need light to grow but it dose have affect on them so im sure there are studys.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: evileye001]
#18740305 - 08/21/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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In nature they grow even in direct sunlight so I doubt any of the lights you use are going be too much for them.
Insufficient light will prevent them from developing properly. Most noticeably the caps remain small.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: evileye001]
#18742378 - 08/22/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms develop better in the dark but constant light wont hurt them
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: huffinglue]
#18742496 - 08/22/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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huffinglue said: I wouldn't leave them on all the time. I also wouldn't have them inside the fc. Its ok if the temp drops a little bit. That actually helps fruiting. And shrooms don't need light to grow like plants. It just tells them wich way to grow.
Mushrooms need light. They will grow MUCH better with sufficient lighting. Also, light doesn't tell them which way to grow, airflow does. If airflow is negligible, they grow opposite of gravity. Try sticking a light next to your fruiting chamber instead of on top of it. The caps tend to try and point toward the light, but the mushroom will still grow straight up.
Airflow will direct growth a lot more than light will. Try sticking a fan next to an sgfc and see what happens.'
To the OP, a 12/12 light schedule is what you want. A 6500 Kelvin CFL is ideal. I wouldn't skimp on it.
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Edited by freebananas (08/22/13 06:00 PM)
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: freebananas]
#18742572 - 08/22/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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freebananas said: In addition to Quote:
huffinglue said: I wouldn't leave them on all the time. I also wouldn't have them inside the fc. Its ok if the temp drops a little bit. That actually helps fruiting. And shrooms don't need light to grow like plants. It just tells them wich way to grow.
Mushrooms need light. They will grow MUCH better with sufficient lighting. Also, light doesn't tell them which way to grow, airflow does. If airflow is negligible, they grow opposite of gravity. Try sticking a light next to your fruiting chamber instead of on top of it. The caps tend to try and point toward the light, but the mushroom will still grow straight up.
Airflow will direct growth a lot more than light will. Try sticking a fan next to an sgfc and see what happens.'
To the OP, a 12/12 light schedule is what you want. A 6500 Kelvin CFL is ideal. I wouldn't skimp on it.
Ive noticed that aswell, mush will bend to the fresh air.
I would be hesitant on putting a fan next to a sgfc. it would most likely dry out the substrate very fast. But with a monotub its recommended to have a fan\small hepa filter in the room
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: PhosCap]
#18742648 - 08/22/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let me tell you guys something interesting that happened to me lately. I always use a liner in my monotub but the one I spawn a couple weeks ago I poured the sub in there and just forgot. The damn liner was sitting there on the counter but I just spaced. I was half asleep. Well I had the tub stacked on top of another and light could get underneath it. You wouldn't believe the amount of pins growing on the bottom of that flipping tub and the sides. People that say light is not a pinning trigger is full of crap. When I have dumped my previous tubs with black liners there has not been one single pin on the bottom.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: Stromrider]
#18742684 - 08/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Let me tell you guys something interesting that happened to me lately. I always use a liner in my monotub but the one I spawn a couple weeks ago I poured the sub in there and just forgot. The damn liner was sitting there on the counter but I just spaced. I was half asleep. Well I had the tub stacked on top of another and light could get underneath it. You wouldn't believe the amount of pins growing on the bottom of that flipping tub and the sides. People that say light is not a pinning trigger is full of crap. When I have dumped my previous tubs with black liners there has not been one single pin on the bottom.
The liner probably helps block airflow to the bottom, so thats why you didn't get bottom pinning. When the myc shrinks the substrate it opens up the sides for extra airflow, sending minute amounts to the bottom. I only noticed bottom pinning after the myc shrunk the substrate. IMO pinning is triggered by 80% FAE and 20% light.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: PhosCap]
#18742840 - 08/22/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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phosi said:
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psillyshroomer said: Let me tell you guys something interesting that happened to me lately. I always use a liner in my monotub but the one I spawn a couple weeks ago I poured the sub in there and just forgot. The damn liner was sitting there on the counter but I just spaced. I was half asleep. Well I had the tub stacked on top of another and light could get underneath it. You wouldn't believe the amount of pins growing on the bottom of that flipping tub and the sides. People that say light is not a pinning trigger is full of crap. When I have dumped my previous tubs with black liners there has not been one single pin on the bottom.
The liner probably helps block airflow to the bottom, so thats why you didn't get bottom pinning. When the myc shrinks the substrate it opens up the sides for extra airflow, sending minute amounts to the bottom. I only noticed bottom pinning after the myc shrunk the substrate. IMO pinning is triggered by 80% FAE and 20% light.
I think most of you guys on this site underestimate the effects of light as a pinning trigger. The very first tub I made did not have a liner but I did tape a black trash bag on the outside and I did not get one bottom pin. When I first started doing pf tek I let my jars colonize in complete darkness and I didn't have any invitro pinning. After I read on this forum that light is beneficial for colonization I started leaving my jars out in the open so they would get light during the day. All of the jars I did this with had pins at birth. So my personal experience is telling me that light is a bigger pinning trigger than most of you guys give it credit for
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: Stromrider]
#18743357 - 08/22/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think most of you guys on this site underestimate the effects of light as a pinning trigger. The very first tub I made did not have a liner but I did tape a black trash bag on the outside and I did not get one bottom pin. When I first started doing pf tek I let my jars colonize in complete darkness and I didn't have any invitro pinning. After I read on this forum that light is beneficial for colonization I started leaving my jars out in the open so they would get light during the day. All of the jars I did this with had pins at birth. So my personal experience is telling me that light is a bigger pinning trigger than most of you guys give it credit for
I've had similar experiences both with the PF jars and bottom pinning on bulk substrates. Although I only did a couple grows with PF while keeping them in the dark. In fact every time I've used a transparent tray or tub I've had some amount of bottom pins and never a single one with using opaque materials.
Agaricus biporus, which is probably the most commonly grown edible mushroom has little to no light requirements but I assume most people here are growing Cubes or other novelty mushrooms
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: Kizzle]
#18743591 - 08/22/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agaricus biporus, which is probably the most commonly grown edible mushroom has little to no light requirements but I assume most people here are growing Cubes or other novelty mushrooms
Correction: I shouldn't say mushrooms need light. Cubes definitely benefit from light though. I guess I just assume that if someone was talking about a different species they would specify first or go to the medicinal/edible forum.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: Stromrider]
#18743626 - 08/22/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said:
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phosi said:
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psillyshroomer said: Let me tell you guys something interesting that happened to me lately. I always use a liner in my monotub but the one I spawn a couple weeks ago I poured the sub in there and just forgot. The damn liner was sitting there on the counter but I just spaced. I was half asleep. Well I had the tub stacked on top of another and light could get underneath it. You wouldn't believe the amount of pins growing on the bottom of that flipping tub and the sides. People that say light is not a pinning trigger is full of crap. When I have dumped my previous tubs with black liners there has not been one single pin on the bottom.
The liner probably helps block airflow to the bottom, so thats why you didn't get bottom pinning. When the myc shrinks the substrate it opens up the sides for extra airflow, sending minute amounts to the bottom. I only noticed bottom pinning after the myc shrunk the substrate. IMO pinning is triggered by 80% FAE and 20% light.
I think most of you guys on this site underestimate the effects of light as a pinning trigger. The very first tub I made did not have a liner but I did tape a black trash bag on the outside and I did not get one bottom pin. When I first started doing pf tek I let my jars colonize in complete darkness and I didn't have any invitro pinning. After I read on this forum that light is beneficial for colonization I started leaving my jars out in the open so they would get light during the day. All of the jars I did this with had pins at birth. So my personal experience is telling me that light is a bigger pinning trigger than most of you guys give it credit for
I definitely agree with this as well psilly. I think someone needs to start doing experiments with isolates to test a lot of these "theories" around here. I definitely don't have the time right now to even fathom going through that much work, and I've only done tubs with MS. Agar is planned for this summer. I think Frank should do it. I wonder why he hasn't already?
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: freebananas]
#18744071 - 08/22/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have just recently started working with agar and when I get some good isolates of my own perhaps I will play around with this. It will give me something to do this winter when it gets to cold to ride :-)
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: freebananas]
#18752918 - 08/24/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I always have my cakes raised up on a wire rack in a sgfc and have had a lot, every grow, grow out of all sides of the cakes, even the bottom. And not just growing out of the bottom, but growing completly upside down from the bottom, like the tops of the caps were facing down. I'm sure gravity has a lot to do with it, but they def don't always grow against it. And I didn't say not to use any light, just not 24/7... and I do highly agree with the 6500 kelvin light being used. The reason I said 'light shows them witch way to grow' is because I saw something where this guy had a light above, and to the side of a cake, and would turn the cake a 1/4 turn every day and it grew like a spiral.
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Re: is to much light bad for shrooms? [Re: huffinglue]
#18753005 - 08/24/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well cakes are kind of funny. It is like the damn things don't know which way to grow. In my tubs they always grow straight up but i guess that is really the only direction they can go
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