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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: psi]
    #18742183 - 08/22/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever people want to do is fine with me, but when they start asking for special shit it just
gets annoying. Manning demanding that the military jailers provide him with hormore replacement
therapy??~~> Get the fuck out of here.

Portland(?) having to spend thousands for transexual bathrooms?

What the hell is going on?


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
    #18742200 - 08/22/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The fuck is a transsexual bathroom? A sit down urinal is a toilet last time I heard.

It's just trendy to be in the middle these days. They think that because it is becoming more and more accepting to be transsexual, they are entitled somehow.


I like the shotgun'ness of this thread hah


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Niffla]
    #18742203 - 08/22/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Niffla said:
Bradley be trollin




That was my first thought as well tbh ha ha


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: unknown1123]
    #18742210 - 08/22/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Like it matters one way or the other, you're either peeping over the fucking barrier and subject
to arrest, or you're just doing your thing, jerking off a few times to the smell of someone
else's farts and leaving like a regular person, na'mean?


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: OldHam]
    #18742211 - 08/22/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I keep asking all these people who are applauding Manning who elected him to decide what is and is not a secret?  Also whether 700,000 documents was a bit much?  If you want to put retards in charge of deciding state secrets you're fucking nuts and Manning most definitely is a retard.

I found this study on sexual identity fascinating and informative.

http://www.shb-info.org/sexbrain.html

During the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) is programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexualism. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.

There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity.


The brain and the body develop gender at different times


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18742245 - 08/22/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

He, like Snowden, could've compiled the shit about spying and
been like, "TA-DA, motherfuckers." That's not what they did.

The NSA shit is just red herring...it's the 699,995 other files that worry me.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18742250 - 08/22/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I keep asking all these people who are applauding Manning who elected him to decide what is and is not a secret?  Also whether 700,000 documents was a bit much?  If you want to put retards in charge of deciding state secrets you're fucking nuts and Manning most definitely is a retard.

I found this study on sexual identity fascinating and informative.

http://www.shb-info.org/sexbrain.html

During the intrauterine period the fetal brain develops in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) is programmed into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in transsexualism. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.

There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity.


The brain and the body develop gender at different times



Pretty cool study, welcome back to the Pub


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Lynnch]
    #18742259 - 08/22/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
We'll see.

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Everlong said:
I don't understand people who want to change their gender to female... ...Then again I have a hard time connecting to the general idea of transgender at all, because I've never experienced those feelings.



So maybe you should ask them what it's like instead of assuming you know what's going on in another human being's mind.



What a hypocritical response.

Please go ahead and tell me what assumptions I have made? Everything I said was based off actual observations.

To everyone who disagrees with me and thinks Manning and Snowden will be look at as traitors: We will see. I don't think I'm wrong.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Everlong] * 1
    #18742264 - 08/22/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The Justice system already looks at them as traitors and I would seriously doubt that your small circle of friends is remotely representative of American opinion.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18742284 - 08/22/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The Justice system already looks at them as traitors and I would seriously doubt that your small circle of friends is remotely representative of American opinion.



And the Justice system found Zimmerman to be innocent yet half the country is full of morons who think he was guilty. What's your point again?

This has nothing to do with "my small circle of friends" (Hell I haven't even discussed it with any), there is definitely a divide in this country on the whistleblower issue.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Everlong] * 2
    #18742301 - 08/22/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
...There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity.

The brain and the body develop gender at different times



Quite facinating

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zappaisgod said:
I keep asking all these people who are applauding Manning who elected him to decide what is and is not a secret?  Also whether 700,000 documents was a bit much?  If you want to put retards in charge of deciding state secrets you're fucking nuts and Manning most definitely is a retard.




I frame the question differently, At what point does personal responsibility overcome professional duty? You're telling me that if you found out your boss had been torturing people and covering up the killing of innocents, you would just bite your tongue, look the other way, and be able to live with yourself? People blindly following orders and doing their duty is how the holocaust happened.

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Please go ahead and tell me what assumptions I have made? Everything I said was based off actual observations.




Don't be so defensive, I was speaking generally. You were basing what you said on a southpark episode.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Lynnch] * 1
    #18742321 - 08/22/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Moral of this story- Don't brag to fucktards on the internet about illegal shit you've done, especially shit that could potentially get whoever you are bragging to arrested.  He shot himself in the foot, and now he's paying for it.  If one of those documents he leaked without reading ended up getting a bunch of people killed we would be having a different conversation, and what he did was noble it could have ended a lot worse.  He didn't know what the fuck he was sharing, he sure as fuck didn't read all of those documents before leaking them.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: unknown1123]
    #18742328 - 08/22/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Bradley Manning, the US soldier who leaked secret US government documents to the Wikileaks website, has announced he wants to live as a woman.

"I am Chelsea Manning," Pte First Class Manning, 25, said in a statement to NBC's Today programme. "I am a female."




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23798253


What's up with all these people claiming they want to be women, is this a trend to keep shit alive in the media? What in the actual fuck, who gives a flying fuck if you're fucked up in the head and want to be a woman, be a bitch with a dick, who cares. That should be some personal shit, not something to be used to get a edge or front page story..

:facepalm3:

Where are the women getting in trouble that say they always wanted to be a man? That'd be something new




Manning was a transexual before being arrested or committing the deed, this wins the award of "most ignorant thread of the day" :cheers:


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Everlong]
    #18742369 - 08/22/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Everlong said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
The Justice system already looks at them as traitors and I would seriously doubt that your small circle of friends is remotely representative of American opinion.



And the Justice system found Zimmerman to be innocent yet half the country is full of morons who think he was guilty. What's your point again?




I do not think you are correct with your statistics
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This has nothing to do with "my small circle of friends" (Hell I haven't even discussed it with any), there is definitely a divide in this country on the whistleblower issue.




There is a divide in this country on everything.

You still refuse to answer the questions.  Who elected Manning to determine what is and is not a state secret and wasn't a data dump a bit much?


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Lynnch]
    #18742395 - 08/22/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
...There is no proof that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity.

The brain and the body develop gender at different times



Quite facinating

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
I keep asking all these people who are applauding Manning who elected him to decide what is and is not a secret?  Also whether 700,000 documents was a bit much?  If you want to put retards in charge of deciding state secrets you're fucking nuts and Manning most definitely is a retard.




I frame the question differently, At what point does personal responsibility overcome professional duty? You're telling me that if you found out your boss had been torturing people and covering up the killing of innocents, you would just bite your tongue, look the other way, and be able to live with yourself? People blindly following orders and doing their duty is how the holocaust happened.




What?  Collateral Murder was a fraud and nothing else he exposed was worth any outrage value except from the professionally outraged.  Any torture issues had already been dealt with.  I ask again, do you want unelected retards determining what is or is not a state secret?


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: unknown1123]
    #18742421 - 08/22/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm all for whatever life choices you decide to make but not at the expense of others. It's just like welfare IMO. Some only want it bc they know it can be given to them. I'd rather they release him on 35 yrs probation than have taxpayers pay for the op.

Read it on CNN in between classes lol. Quite interesting but couldn't exactly bring it up in class.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18742426 - 08/22/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Nobody cares, my rents got 2200 jacked from them the other day and they have to spend a whole day at the hoosegow for the cops to do anything about it.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18742458 - 08/22/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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What?  Collateral Murder was a fraud and nothing else he exposed was worth any outrage value except from the professionally outraged.


So then what's the big deal?.. He thought he found something, and gave them to a news source he thought could do something about it. He wasn't selling secrets to the Russians. His intent was to serve his country in a greater way.

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zappaisgod said:Any torture issues had already been dealt with.



Funny joke, best I've heard all day.

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zappaisgod said: I ask again, do you want unelected retards determining what is or is not a state secret?



Should we elect a retard to share state secrets with us? :rolleyes:
If a soldier were to find proof of widespread lawbreaking, abuse, or war crimes, would you want him to turn a blind eye to it, do his governmental job, and condone those crimes? Or would you want him to stand up and do his greater duty to the people he serves and say something?


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Lynnch]
    #18742574 - 08/22/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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zappaisgod said: I ask again, do you want unelected retards determining what is or is not a state secret?



Should we elect a retard to share state secrets with us? :rolleyes:
If a soldier were to find proof of widespread lawbreaking, abuse, or war crimes, would you want him to turn a blind eye to it, do his governmental job, and condone those crimes? Or would you want him to stand up and do his greater duty to the people he serves and say something?



There's some room between shutting up and doing wrong stuff and dumping the entire contents of a hard drive filled with classified communication. He could have been more selective, for example. Then again, he was/is a young (and obviously confused) kid. Either way, not a very smart move. I don't see why (s)he's incensed by some.

Concerning the issue what gender he feels: let the kid be confused. It's just the media hyping an old story because they couldn't find anything better. Such a non-issue.


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Re: Chelsea Manning: what in the actual fuck [Re: Lynnch]
    #18742622 - 08/22/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
What?  Collateral Murder was a fraud and nothing else he exposed was worth any outrage value except from the professionally outraged.


So then what's the big deal?.. He thought he found something, and gave them to a news source he thought could do something about it. He wasn't selling secrets to the Russians. His intent was to serve his country in a greater way.




How was exposing hundreds of thousands of embarrassing diplomat assessments and the names of collaborators serving the country?
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zappaisgod said:Any torture issues had already been dealt with.



Funny joke, best I've heard all day.



What alleged torture did he expose?  Abu Graib and waterboarding were long discussed.
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zappaisgod said: I ask again, do you want unelected retards determining what is or is not a state secret?



Should we elect a retard to share state secrets with us? :rolleyes:
If a soldier were to find proof of widespread lawbreaking, abuse, or war crimes, would you want him to turn a blind eye to it, do his governmental job, and condone those crimes? Or would you want him to stand up and do his greater duty to the people he serves and say something?








There are channels for that but that isn't what he did.  He made a massive data dump of shit he didn't even look at.  You still can't answer my question.  Yes or no, should an unelected retard be the determiner of what is or isn't a state secret?


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