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Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians.
    #18740914 - 08/22/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18741094 - 08/22/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the usual


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18741162 - 08/22/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My bold and daring prediction is that we're going to get lied to about it


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: viktor]
    #18741609 - 08/22/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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viktor said:
My bold and daring prediction is that we're going to get lied to about it



And possibly dragged into war because using chemical weapons is a serious war crime


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18747730 - 08/23/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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And possibly dragged into war because using chemical weapons is a serious war crime




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My bold and daring prediction is that we're going to get lied to about it




We already have been lied to about it. Obama and the world community is now doing nothing more than setting the stage. The only deterrent thus far has been the Russians.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_07_13/227640920/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188

“Our experts took samples, examined them on the spot in laboratories that are certified by the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, and came to the conclusion that the shell and sarin that was in it were homemade. There are quite clear and unambiguous conclusions concerning the fact that characteristics of both the shell and this very sarin do not meet the standards used in industrial production. According to our additional data, the shell and this substance were manufactured in February, 2013, in the Syrian territory, which was then under the control of the Syrian Free Army, by one of the groups, which was affiliated with this Syrian Free Army”.

Such information is not to everyone’s liking. And first of all not to those, who are at any cost interested in convincing the world of the opposite.

And there are plenty of them. For example, there are political and military lobbyists in some Western and Eastern countries that benefit from pushing through the decision to supply weapons to Syrian opposition. And this is not only a question of geopolitics, but also of finance.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_07_13/227640920/

The FSA was caught red handed with sarin gas in Turkey already.

http://larouchepac.com/node/26795

Assad is not stupid, if he were to use sarin, he would have nothing to gain, and everything to lose.
If the FSA/rebels/activists/muslum radical douchebags financed by us were to use sarin they would have NOTHING to lose, and EVERYTHING to gain.

You tell me who is most likely to gas the Syrians.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18747883 - 08/23/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18748389 - 08/23/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I guess we've found the Iraqi chemical weapons NOW


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18748898 - 08/23/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Therian said:
“Our experts took samples, examined them on the spot in laboratories that are certified by the Organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, and came to the conclusion that the shell and sarin that was in it were homemade. There are quite clear and unambiguous conclusions concerning the fact that characteristics of both the shell and this very sarin do not meet the standards used in industrial production. According to our additional data, the shell and this substance were manufactured in February, 2013, in the Syrian territory, which was then under the control of the Syrian Free Army, by one of the groups, which was affiliated with this Syrian Free Army”.





LOL.  You realize that's a quote from the Russian foreign minister, right?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18749260 - 08/23/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But why would Assad use chemical weapons when it means a required American involvement


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18750400 - 08/24/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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But why would Assad use chemical weapons when it means a required American involvement




It doesn't.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18763058 - 08/27/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention. The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people. Assad's government even has an amnesty program where 'rebels' (more like terrorists) can turn themselves in without penalty. Some of them are even fighting alongside the Syrian army now that they are aware they've been tricked.

The rebels were caught using chemical weapons a few months ago, but now we are preparing to attack Assad without complete evidence of who was behind the atrocity. If there is evidence why haven't any of us been privy to it? Why is the MSM ignoring the possibility that the rebels could be behind the chemical weapons attack, so they could blame it on Assad and force western intervention? They didn't cover the Britam security leak that mentioned a false flag attack, either.

I'm starting to think the talking heads are less informed than the average Joe, and not deliberately withholding the truth.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18764185 - 08/27/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All this does is provide a rationale for increased expansion of the military industrial complex. God forbid the US doesn't start bombing another middle eastern country. Syria is not the US's problem.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: qwerty51]
    #18764528 - 08/27/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm starting to think the talking heads are less informed than the average Joe, and not deliberately withholding the truth.




Perhaps the talking heads but certainly not their masters. Attacking Syria will lead to WW3, this is insane.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18764748 - 08/27/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SWEDEN said:
Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention. The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people. Assad's government even has an amnesty program where 'rebels' (more like terrorists) can turn themselves in without penalty. Some of them are even fighting alongside the Syrian army now that they are aware they've been tricked.

The rebels were caught using chemical weapons a few months ago, but now we are preparing to attack Assad without complete evidence of who was behind the atrocity. If there is evidence why haven't any of us been privy to it? Why is the MSM ignoring the possibility that the rebels could be behind the chemical weapons attack, so they could blame it on Assad and force western intervention? They didn't cover the Britam security leak that mentioned a false flag attack, either.

I'm starting to think the talking heads are less informed than the average Joe, and not deliberately withholding the truth.




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18765024 - 08/27/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The media talking heads work for "intelligence" agencies.  They are not journalists they are ministrts of propeganda.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins] * 2
    #18765116 - 08/27/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The media talking heads work for "intelligence" agencies.  They are not journalists they are ministrts of propeganda.



Have another cocktail.  You'll pass out and stop embarrassing yourself in public.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18765198 - 08/27/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't drink and its plainly obvious.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18765210 - 08/27/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sure you don't.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18765996 - 08/27/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SWEDEN said:
Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention.




You're an idiot if you don't see how both sides can benefit from blaming the other for a chemical attack even if they themselves caused it for that purpose.

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The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.




Back that up.

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Assad's government even has an amnesty program where 'rebels' (more like terrorists) can turn themselves in without penalty.




Back that up.

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Some of them are even fighting alongside the Syrian army now that they are aware they've been tricked.




Back that up.


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If there is evidence why haven't any of us been privy to it?




How the fuck would you be privy to anything going on in Syria?  The shit quality of information coming out of there rivals only North Korean propaganda.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18766547 - 08/27/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Where is OldHam when you need an awful post?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18766710 - 08/28/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?

1984 yo.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18767245 - 08/28/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Where is OldHam when you need an awful post?




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 2
    #18767259 - 08/28/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:haha:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18768268 - 08/28/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?

1984 yo.



^^^^^

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Shins said:
The media talking heads work for "intelligence" agencies.  They are not journalists they are ministrts of propeganda.




That war drum is getting louder and louder. Yall ready for another vastly unpopular war in the desert? almost 100 years out from WW1, very similar scenario, this shit could get out of hand so quick.  Bet all those minor countries are starting to regret getting caught up in nato now.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
    #18768891 - 08/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I highly doubt Assad is responsible for that chemical attack (if it even really happened)


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
    #18769077 - 08/28/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No war is the same and no scenario exactly the same, the references to Iraq, I don't see how these situations are relevant at all besides the common denominator of WMD's, one attack occurring during the Iranian-Iraq gulf war to a civil war, the only similarities is they that Saddamm and Assad both belong to the same baath party and both gassed specific groups of people. This is not the first time Syria has been faced with Sunni rebellion




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18769123 - 08/28/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

SWEDEN said:
Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention.




You're an idiot if you don't see how both sides can benefit from blaming the other for a chemical attack even if they themselves caused it for that purpose.






I can see how the opposition can benefit from using gas but I cannot see how Assad could.  He was the obvious choice to get blamed and Obama said there would be a shitstorm if he did.  Obama didn't say the same thing about the opposition and they don't have any targets of value to attack.  Now that the Benghazi pipeline has been shut they are losing badly.  I must say I am very suspicious about this whole thing and if the empty pants idiot in the Oval Office hadn't made a threat many months ago he probably wouldn't do anything but complain.  Now he's boxed in by his own stupidity.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-president-has-no-authority-to-unilaterally-attack-iran-if-he-does-i-will-move-to-impeach-joe-biden/
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Presidential hopeful Delaware Sen. Joe Biden stated unequivocally that he will move to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran without first gaining congressional approval.




Sure Joe Biden disagreed, but that was in 2007. The law stopped applying in 2008. All laws did. And if you disagree, well you’re probably racist. (But only if you disagree after 2008)




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18769140 - 08/28/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?

1984 yo.



Congress approved the Iraq war, Iraq had already attacked a foreign nation, been defeated and was under a cease fire agreement which they violated.  I can't imagine a less applicable comparison.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18769336 - 08/28/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
No war is the same and no scenario exactly the same, the references to Iraq, I don't see how these situations are relevant at all besides the common denominator of WMD's, one attack occurring during the Iranian-Iraq gulf war to a civil war, the only similarities is they that Saddamm and Assad both belong to the same baath party and both gassed specific groups of people. This is not the first time Syria has been faced with Sunni rebellion







Well Duh, no analogy is ever perfect.

See: The balkan theater ww1.
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OmniDimensional said:
Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?

1984 yo.



Congress approved the Iraq war, Iraq had already attacked a foreign nation, been defeated and was under a cease fire agreement which they violated.  I can't imagine a less applicable comparison.



Rhetoric means use of language :kingtard: Shillinstein


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18769350 - 08/28/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Word on the streets is the gas attack was in retaliation for mortars slamming into his convoy as it left for Friday prayers.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
    #18769364 - 08/28/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
No war is the same and no scenario exactly the same, the references to Iraq, I don't see how these situations are relevant at all besides the common denominator of WMD's, one attack occurring during the Iranian-Iraq gulf war to a civil war, the only similarities is they that Saddamm and Assad both belong to the same baath party and both gassed specific groups of people. This is not the first time Syria has been faced with Sunni rebellion







Well Duh, no analogy is ever perfect.

See: The balkan theater ww1.
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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

OmniDimensional said:
Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?

1984 yo.



Congress approved the Iraq war, Iraq had already attacked a foreign nation, been defeated and was under a cease fire agreement which they violated.  I can't imagine a less applicable comparison.



Rhetoric means use of language :kingtard: Shillinstein




:facepalm:Hence my point that it isn't the same rhetoric.  It was different rhetoric.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18769391 - 08/28/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

WMDS/Chemical Weapons
Slaughter of his own people
"Violations of international laws"
For the greater good of all


Someone didn't watch the state departments news conference today, and doesn't know what rhetoric means :smilingpuppy:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
    #18769482 - 08/28/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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WMDS/Chemical Weapons
Slaughter of his own people
"Violations of international laws"
For the greater good of all


Someone didn't watch the state departments news conference today, and doesn't know what rhetoric means :smilingpuppy:




Where is the "violation of ceasefire agreement"?  The invasion of Kuwait?  You do know the second Iraq war was a continuation of the first, right?  It was solely undertaken because Saddam overstepped his borders.  I do not believe anybody did shit when he gassed the Kurds, which took place in 1988.  Where is the Congressional Authorization to Use Military Force? 

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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18769505 - 08/28/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I can see how the opposition can benefit from using gas but I cannot see how Assad could.





I'm speculating, but I don't think Obama would be able to overtly support the FSA at all if it came out that it was the rebels that killed hundreds of people in a gas attack.  Assad is a clever guy and has been working all the PR angles he can.  He hired some fancy-ass New York PR company at the beginning of the uprising and I even saw him on 60 minutes at some point.  Recently he started his own Instagram showing him and his wife making the propaganda rounds.  If he could frame the rebels for a massive gas attack that would be a huge PR win and possibly ensure that most Western countries would leave Syria well enough alone.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18769526 - 08/28/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The problem is that nothing will ever come out.  The opposition (I refuse to call them "rebels") knows that the prime suspect will be Assad.  And they have been losing badly of late.

If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his  money back.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18769656 - 08/28/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The problem is that nothing will ever come out.




Yup.

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If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his  money back.




I guess he'd look a lot worse without it.  As someone else put it, it helps that "he speaks English and his wife is hot".  She was featured in some fashion magazine just before the shit hit the fan.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18769738 - 08/28/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why would he need a PR firm when he had Hillary?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-27/u-s-won-t-intervene-in-syria-unrest-clinton-says-on-cbs.html

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. won’t enter into the internal conflict in Syria the way it has in Libya, where the international effort to protect civilians from Muammar Qaddafi is progressing.

“No,” Clinton said when asked on the CBS program “Face the Nation” if the U.S. would intervene in Syria’s unrest. Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s security forces clashed with protesters in several cities over the weekend after his promises of freedoms and pay increases failed to prevent dissent from spreading across the country.

Clinton said the elements that led to intervention in Libya -- international condemnation, an Arab League call for action, a United Nations Security Council resolution -- are “not going to happen” with Syria, in part because members of the U.S. Congress from both parties say they believe Assad is “a reformer.”




http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/28/john-kerry-wasnt-always-so-harsh-to-syrian-president-assad/

And Kerry

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Kerry has met with Assad on numerous occasions and once lauded Assad in 2011 as being a “very generous” man, according to the Weekly Standard.

“Well, I personally believe that — I mean, this is my belief, okay?” Kerry said. “But President Assad has been very generous with me in terms of the discussions we have had. And when I last went to — the last several trips to Syria — I asked President Assad to do certain things to build the relationship with the United States and sort of show the good faith that would help us to move the process forward.”




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    #18769801 - 08/28/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The problem is that nothing will ever come out.  The opposition (I refuse to call them "rebels") knows that the prime suspect will be Assad.  And they have been losing badly of late.

If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his  money back.




Hardly, if anyone is losing its Assad, rebel forces are about to storm right through Latakia, the traditional heartland and home of Assad's offshoot islamist sect, the Alawites. Also 600 Concourse missiles were looted out of a Assadist base overran  near Qumrooin (sp), Kurdish PYD has carved out a ministate for themselves, and ISIL already has a sizeable chunk as well.


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    #18769874 - 08/28/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The problem is that nothing will ever come out.  The opposition (I refuse to call them "rebels") knows that the prime suspect will be Assad.  And they have been losing badly of late.

If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his  money back.




Hardly, if anyone is losing its Assad, rebel forces are about to storm right through Latakia, the traditional heartland and home of Assad's offshoot islamist sect, the Alawites. Also 600 Concourse missiles were looted out of a Assadist base overran  near Qumrooin (sp), Kurdish PYD has carved out a ministate for themselves, and ISIL already has a sizeable chunk as well.



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    #18770336 - 08/28/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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WMDS/Chemical Weapons
Slaughter of his own people
"Violations of international laws"
For the greater good of all


Someone didn't watch the state departments news conference today, and doesn't know what rhetoric means :smilingpuppy:




Where is the "violation of ceasefire agreement"?  The invasion of Kuwait?  You do know the second Iraq war was a continuation of the first, right?  It was solely undertaken because Saddam overstepped his borders.  I do not believe anybody did shit when he gassed the Kurds, which took place in 1988.  Where is the Congressional Authorization to Use Military Force? 

When a person is simple everything looks the same.





Dude now you are just pulling shit out of your ass to defend yourself and the republican party. You know damn well the pretense for Iraq 2 was WMDs.


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    #18771995 - 08/29/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The Congressional AUMF (authorization to use military force) listed 23 reasons for resuming hostilities in Iraq. Certainly Hussein's refusal to provide evidence he had destroyed all the stocks of chemical and biological weaponry that he was known to have had at one point was listed in the AUMF, but it was far from the only reason.


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    #18772128 - 08/29/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18772290 - 08/29/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Where do you get yours?


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    #18773233 - 08/29/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL.  You realize that's a quote from the Russian foreign minister, right?




Are you freaking high? Multiple chemical weapons experts, as well as those on the UN panel have stated that Assad is innocent, and the "activists" are to blame.

“It’s not unlike Sherlock Holmes and the dog that didn’t bark,” said Jean Pascal Zanders, a leading expert on chemical weapons who until recently was a senior research fellow at the European Union’s Institute for Security Studies. “It’s not just that we can’t prove a sarin attack, it’s that we’re not seeing what we would expect to see from a sarin attack.”

Zanders, who also has headed the Chemical and Biological Warfare Project at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute and was director of the Geneva-based BioWeapons Prevention Project, noted that had sarin been the chemical agent in use, the victims would have been dead long before they reached doctors for treatment.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/14/194016/chemical-weapons-experts-still.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news#.UbyKw-uvW_H#storylink=cpy

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/14/194016/chemical-weapons-experts-still.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news#.UbyKw-uvW_H#storylink=cpy

Philip Coyle, a senior scientist at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington, said that without hard, public evidence, it’s difficult for experts to assess the validity of the administration’s statement. He added that from what is known, what happened doesn’t look like a series of sarin attacks to him.

“Without blood samples, it’s hard to know,” he said. “But I admit I hope there isn’t a blood sample, because I’m still hopeful that sarin has not been used.”

Even a proponent of the United States providing military assistance to the rebels raised doubts about the possible motive for announcing the chemical weapons conclusion.

In a passionate argument for U.S. involvement in Syria, Anthony Cordesman, a security expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, wrote Friday that “the ‘discovery’ that Syria used chemical weapons might be a political ploy.” The phrase was in an article that described strong strategic and humanitarian reasons for involvement in the crisis, particularly the recent involvement of the Lebanese group Hezbollah on the side of Assad.

Chemical weapons have been a focus of discussion in Syria ever since the day in August 2012 when President Barack Obama announced that the use of such weapons was a “red line” that would trigger possible U.S. military involvement. Since then, rebels have reported the likely use of chemical agents on dozens of occasions with varying degrees of credibility.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/14/194016/chemical-weapons-experts-still.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news#.UbyKw-uvW_H#storylink=cpy


https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/15-2

   
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    The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.



Back that up.




Are you serious. Sweden is correct. This from German intelligence:

Berlin, (SANA)- German “Die Welt” daily said that only 5% of the armed terrorists in the so-called Free Army are Syrians, while 95% of them are extremist groups which came from several African countries to jihad in Syria backed by the Gulf and Arab countries.

The daily quoted intelligence experts in Germany as saying : ” The German intelligence has an official and detailed account of the nationalities of the rebels in Syria and their locations in the country,”

A member of the German intelligence said that some terrorist groups in Syria wok in full coordination with al-Qaeda, but the extremist groups are most dangerous than al-Qaeda since they commit genocide against children and women and use them as human shields to achieve the possible biggest number of casualties.

According to a semi-official statistics the number of the gunmen in Syria estimated at 14,800 including experts in many fields like the preparation of improvised explosive devices. Most of those gunmen previously participated in several attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The biggest danger lies in the Arab countries’ help releasing Islamic detainees and sending them to Syria with the aim of Jihad against the Syrian state violating the standards of anti-terrorism Conventions.


Ooh, those wonderful peace loving "activists" that want nothing other than democracy, and to overthrow a tyrannical dictator to help the innocent Syrian citizens.

Tell that to the American journalist that just escaped from these "FSA activists". He was imprisoned by them, tortured by them, beaten by them, robbed by them, etc.
http://news.yahoo.com/american-photographer-escapes-syrian-islamist-torturers-paper-083351510.html


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    #18773256 - 08/29/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

LOL he quotes SANA news to "prove" to us that the FSA are almost all foreigners, great job.


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    #18773461 - 08/29/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LOL he quotes SANA news to "prove" to us that the FSA are almost all foreigners, great job.




Jesus christ, it was from a study by Bundesnachrichtendienst / German Federal Intelligence Service. First published by Die welt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Welt

Would you like another source that cites the German intelligence findings? 

http://piazzadcara.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/german-intelligence-95-of-free-army-non-syrian-extremist-groups/
or

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/13310

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    #18773707 - 08/29/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Phred said:
The Congressional AUMF (authorization to use military force) listed 23 reasons for resuming hostilities in Iraq. Certainly Hussein's refusal to provide evidence he had destroyed all the stocks of chemical and biological weaponry that he was known to have had at one point was listed in the AUMF, but it was far from the only reason.


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    #18774117 - 08/29/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There was no pretense.  And the rhetoric is not the same.  This is all about Obama saving face.  Spit out t3h cawk.


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    #18774171 - 08/29/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Why are each of your sources credited to SANA, second it refers to the rebels as "terrorsits" something Assad has done since the uprising began, also the article is extremely outdated, Al Qaeda already has an affiliate in Syria, its called Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, they are their own group with its own goals. (SANA) is the Syrian Arab News Agency, they are not German, each article you showed me, I clicked and saw (SANA)Berlin, wow so SANA berlin office works for german intelligence, wow this is a crazy revelation. Best join the Syrian Electronic Army now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-the-syrian-electronic-army-and-other-hacker-groups-are-attacking-news-web-sites/2013/08/28/bda8f464-1032-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html


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    #18774236 - 08/29/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think this is a lot way to late, we should of backed the FSA when they were politically coherent force, secular in nature, looking for reforms and a democratically elected government, but the world has dragged its feet, and the folks the respond the quickest are usually the nasties, and the nasties like ISIL have everything to gain when their is war and instability. The ISIL have become even so large that when Zawihiri was asked for approval of the merger, between Islamic State of Iraq and Al Qaeda in the Levant, he denied it but the merger went on anyhow. It shows you the number one guy in Al Qaeda has barely no control over his own organization, its fucking laughable.

Their is no question the chaos in Iraq is being directly influenced by events in Syria. All symptoms of greater Sunni-Shiia fallout, Russia and China have nary a fucking idea what they are fighting for either, to preserve a dictatorship of such malevolence sure doesn't place them on the moral highground, but whatev's Obama drew his stupid red line and now he has to either eat his words or act on them, and we are acting far to late to game anything out of this. Syria is going to split, the Druze, the Alawites, the Kurds will all try to split off and form their own communities.


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    #18774319 - 08/29/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't it great that we have a competent leader in foreign policy, diplomacy and things military?

He is far worse than Carter.


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    #18774760 - 08/29/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Therian said:
Are you freaking high? Multiple chemical weapons experts, as well as those on the UN panel have stated that Assad is innocent, and the "activists" are to blame.




Are you high?  None of the quotes from the links you just pasted support what you just said.

Quote:

Are you serious. Sweden is correct. This from German intelligence:

Berlin, (SANA)- German “Die Welt” daily said that only 5% of the armed terrorists in the so-called Free Army are Syrians, while 95% of them are extremist groups which came from several African countries to jihad in Syria backed by the Gulf and Arab countries....




Are you serious?  SANA is the Syrian state news agency.


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    #18774864 - 08/29/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Isn't it great that we have a competent leader in foreign policy, diplomacy and things military?

He is far worse than Carter.



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    #18775761 - 08/30/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you high?  None of the quotes from the links you just pasted support what you just said.





What? That the rebels used gas? It's been known forever. I predicted this is exactly how it would end up months ago. Western powers looking for an excuse to get their proverbial foot in the door.

U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator


GENEVA (Reuters) - U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

"This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

Del Ponte, a former Swiss attorney-general who also served as prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, gave no details as to when or where sarin may have been used.

From a more pragmatic perspective, I would just love for someone to explain to me as to why Assad would use chemical weapons. There is absolutely nothing that sarin is going to accomplish that a few mortar shells couldn't easily do with zero international condemnation. From a tactical viewpoint Assad is doing everything correctly, it really is stupid simple, the use of chems in completely unnecessary.


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    #18775806 - 08/30/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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second it refers to the rebels as "terrorsits" something Assad has done since the uprising began,




WTF is a Terrorsit? Did you mean TerrorSlit, as in a female jihadists?

LMFAO, Please tell me what standardized metric do YOU use to characterize one as a "terrorist". Yep, Western backed foreign AL-Q, jihadists, beheading civilians, shooting kids in the mouth and murdering them in front of their parents, beheading monks when they attempted to stop these "activists" from raping nuns.

Murdering civilians, eating their organs, bbq'ing their heads, throwing post office workers off the tops of buildings for the crime of working for the government, killing citizens for the crime of "supporting the president" etc. No this does not make one a "terrorist", everyone knows "activists" walk the streets terrorizing the citizens of a foreign nation with RPG's in hand.

But....put a fucking utility knife/boxcutter in someones hand and of course they are terrorists!!!!  Bullshit, why won't the dem douchebags just admit it, 9/11 was actually the work of "activists" but, our president insists on calling them "terrorists". What a derogatory negro we have in command!


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    #18775875 - 08/30/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What? That the rebels used gas?




That's not what you said.  You said "Assad is innocent".  None of the links you pasted supported that statement. 

You know it's possible that more than one party can use chemical weapons, right?


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    #18776690 - 08/30/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your comic is eerily similar to Der Sturmer...
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/sturm28.htm


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    #18776939 - 08/30/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.




Back that up.

Young islamic people from Western Europe fight in Syria. I know , i live in Western Europe and we have proof of it. We busted some when they returned.


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    #18776974 - 08/30/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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kyoto said:
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The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.




Back that up.




Young islamic people from Western Europe fight in Syria. I know , i live in Western Europe and we have proof of it. We busted some when they returned. One of the more famous local imams said he was happy his son was dead, for now he is a martyr.


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    #18777346 - 08/30/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You know it's possible that more than one party can use chemical weapons, right?




Of course. But only one side would face a devastating GLOBAL military offensive if they were to use the weapons. If Assad used them, he is fucked. If the " activists" used them, Assad is fucked then also.

1. The terrorists/activists have already been caught red handed with sarin gas.

2. The "rebels" have already been busted lying about chemical attacks on them.

3. To attempt to appease his Saudi masters, Obama must "argue for war" "convince a war weary public"  or as Pelosi said "provide more transparency" LMAO, what? Obama not transparent? Isn't that the very thing he touted as one of his campaign promises?

The Brits want nothing to do with this bullshit. The vast majority of Americans realize this WMD fear mongering has been played out, and criticized by Obama over and over again, yet the fuck-stain has no problems "going it alone" circumventing both the UN as well as Congress, and most importantly the American tax paying public that he is paid to represent.

This from the state Dept. is hilarious:

On Wednesday, the State Department bluntly said it doesn’t matter whether Assad gave the order.

The commander in chief of any military is ultimately responsible for decisions made under their leadership, even if command and control — he’s not the one that pushes the button or said, ‘Go,’ on this,” spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters.

Really? The commander in chief is ultimately responsible for what happens under his leadership?

Didn't the asshole Obama claim both no knowledge or responsibility for Fast and Furious where Mexican drug cartels were given guns by his admin. to kill an American as well as hundreds of Mexicans, He didn't know why the Mexican government wasn't informed as to why he was sending guns across the border, he didn't know nor was he responsible for the IRS targeting Americans, or the NSA spying on Americans, or the FBI investigations, he didn't know about the Petraus investigation, he didn't know about Benghazi, he didn't know his parasitical whore aunt was in the country illegally, or that he claims he never said " you didn't build that", he knew nothing about the illegal spying at the AP, about the economic crisis he said " he didn't know how bad it was", he didn't know his staff was threatening both Benghazi and CIA whistle blowers, he knew nothing about the DHS/ICE releasing illegal immigrants, as a matter of fact he said he didn't realize it until he read it in the paper, of course there is also this that Obama knows nothing about, but one of his closest allies had no problems telling the American people:

A database owned by the Obama campaign, which she describes here, which Obama described to her as “everything on everyone”, would have to include private, confidential tax records illegally obtained from the IRS. This would indicate that Obama not only knew what the IRS was doing, but was actively engaged with them in doing it, and perhaps compelled them to.

“The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life,” Representative Maxine Waters told Roland Martin on Monday. “That’s going to be very, very powerful,” Waters said. “That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.” – Maxine Waters

So, Obama knows jackshit. Obama is responsible for jackshit. Obama distances himself from all these "pretend scandals" because "he didn't know". Yet every other is ultimately responsible for any action that takes place in their administration. What a hypocrite, lying, sanctimonious fuck.


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    #18777522 - 08/30/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your rant is all over the place, how did you go from Syria to Fast and Furious and Benghazi, can we keep or discussion relevant to the topic at hand, or itleast the mid-east and the conflict emanating from Syria in general.

Im not a fan of Obama, or his administration im not going to defend it, or his actions, but your hatred of Obama has blinded you to the actions of real tyrants like Assad, him and his Baath party are trash relegated to the dustbin of history. Instead of enacting the reforms his people demanded (and he even promised before the civil war even started)instead he clamped down and this war is the result of this clamp down, protests turn to civil war.  He is a despicable tyrant who hires western and American PR firms to make his ass look good and disseminate propaganda, he supports PFLP, PFLP-GC, and Hezbollah respectively. I just cant see how you so blindly defend this guy, not saying other Arab leaders are just as good, but I mean, compared to master politician Erdogan who seemed to have swept his troubles under the rug. This is all endemic to those wanting a free hand in the economies of the world, the arab tyrants will tumble one by one as their people struggle with economic stagflation.

I don't see any good coming out of Syria, I think the US does need to act, though maybe not through military strikes, certainly not military strikes until we have a cohesive exit strategy and political solution, in other words, war is an extension of politics by other means.

Lets examine here... The FSA are totally splintered, between secular and sunni extremists, the FSA are just so politically incoherent. I think this sums it up well http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=2528 The FSA is a umbrella term for any who share in the opposition, we saw  distinct Jihadist forces split from the FSA or grew independently from it. 

http://www.understandingwar.org/report/jihad-syria

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Moderate political Islam is not incompatible with democratic governance. However, ultraconservative Sunni Islamists, known as Salafists, envision a new world order modeled on early Islam that poses a significant threat to both democracy and the notion of statehood. Salafi-jihadists are those who commit to violent means to bring about the Salafi vision.




Exactly my point ive been trying to raise, the Salfist have this idea of a global Islamic caliphate, its totally unrealistic and I guarantee the Syrians themselves do not want to be governed by foreign asshole jihadi's, they want power for themselves, I think a US strike could hopefully bring the curtain down on these bad actors and offer more coherent support to the FSA.


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The vast majority of Syrians opposing the regime are local revolutionaries still fighting against autocracy; while they are not Islamists, in the sense that their political visions do not depend upon Islamic principles, they espouse varying degrees of personal religious fervor. There are also moderate Islamists operating within the Syrian opposition, including those who comprise rebel groups like Suquor al-Sham and the Umma Brigade, who are typified by a commitment to political Islam that is compatible with democracy.:




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Al-Qaeda’s direct involvement in Syria has been exaggerated in the media. However, small al-Qaeda affiliated networks are operating in the country, including elements of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abdullah Azzam Brigades, Fatah al-Islam and Jordanian Salafi-jihadists. Rather than sending large numbers of operatives, these networks are providing operational support, including trainers and bomb makers, in order to capitalize on the instability in Syria and expand their influence in the region.




Notice, Al Qaeda, absolutely needs instability to operate in the region, like botulism in oxygen it simply can not live in a state that is stable democratically and militarily. This is why Al Qaeda is so large in Yemen, the political instability in Yemen, in Mali, in Nigeria, in Algeria, etc, the civil wars and instability of these countries gives them a "base of operations" to work from. The goal of the world should be to erode these places of instability, and eliminate these salfist safe havens...


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    #18778159 - 08/30/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Isn't it great that we have a competent leader in foreign policy, diplomacy and things military?

He is far worse than Carter.



Keep pushing that agenda





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    #18778458 - 08/30/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention. The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people. Assad's government even has an amnesty program where 'rebels' (more like terrorists) can turn themselves in without penalty. Some of them are even fighting alongside the Syrian army now that they are aware they've been tricked.

The rebels were caught using chemical weapons a few months ago, but now we are preparing to attack Assad without complete evidence of who was behind the atrocity. If there is evidence why haven't any of us been privy to it? Why is the MSM ignoring the possibility that the rebels could be behind the chemical weapons attack, so they could blame it on Assad and force western intervention? They didn't cover the Britam security leak that mentioned a false flag attack, either.

I'm starting to think the talking heads are less informed than the average Joe, and not deliberately withholding the truth.




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Notice how they admit it to the AP reporter, but not a single mainstream source (in the US, anyways) has picked up this story.

Everyone's favorite politician Ron Paul says it's a false flag:


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    #18778508 - 08/30/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Info wars.  Thanks for clearing that up.  It's not that I don't doubt it but infowars has exactly as much credibility as Obama.


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    #18778532 - 08/30/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your rant is all over the place, how did you go from Syria to Fast and Furious and Benghazi, can we keep or discussion relevant to the topic at hand, or itleast the mid-east and the conflict emanating from Syria in general.




Dude, read the post. Our state Dept. stated it DOESN'T MATTER if Assad didn't send the gas, or if he DIDN'T KNOW about it. They stated WHATEVER happens in his administration is ultimately HIS FAULT.

I then contrasted to all the things Obama DIDN'T KNOW, yet he is free of any blame, responsibility, culpability, or recourse. I guess the whole collective responsibility excuse Obama is attempting to use is a one way street.

If Assad is to blame if someone under him in his administratin killing someone, then so too is Obama. Why can't the mexicans killed during fast and furious as well as the border guards relatives hold Obama responsible and drop bombs on his ass, or sue him for manslaughter? It's ok for Obama, but the rules change for anyone else.

How many children have been killed by predator drone strikes, which Obama the judge, jury, and executioner authorized? It's different though, they were just burned to death or had their limbs blown off, thank god they didn't inhale some sarin, now THAT would be murder!


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    #18778577 - 08/30/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Info wars.  Thanks for clearing that up.  It's not that I don't doubt it but infowars has exactly as much credibility as Obama.




Infowars is only the first result. Did you not look any further?
Here is a video of the imported "rebels" loading and firing chemical weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HM_FElma6Cw


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    #18778622 - 08/30/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Instead of enacting the reforms his people demanded (and he even promised before the civil war even started)instead he clamped down




OOOOHHHH, shall I provide you with a list of all the "reforms" Obama promised us? A vast majority of Americans also are demanding that we DON'T bomb Syria yet he is prepared to "go it alone" Illuminate me as to the difference between one tyrant directly opposing the will of the people, and another doing the same here.

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He is a despicable tyrant who hires western and American PR firms to make his ass look good and disseminate propaganda,




Really? Obama too has PR firms to push his propaganda. I don't believe they are run by "typical white people" though.

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he supports PFLP, PFLP-GC, and Hezbollah respectively.




Yes, and ours supports AL-Q, the very assholes that are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans including thousands of children globally. Don't forget about the Al-Nusra front, the Muslum Brotherhood, ( as a matter of fact one of the reasons for the overthrow of Morsi was due to the fact he stated it was Egypt's responsibility to declare jihad on Syria, travel there and kill their people), the list could go on and on.

Ultimately we need to do nothing. Obama stated he has to do something to keep the world from being "paralyzed" by the situation. Sorry, people are not paralyzed. They are sick of being trillions of dollars in debt, sick of the constant, ubiquitous, sectarian murders taking place in the middle east. And ultimately sick of being told it is somehow OUR responsibility to take care of the messes they make, by of course losing trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for these fucks.

The Saudis et. al. Love to send in jihadists to foment and instigate rebellion and discord in the middle east, then let their chicken shit selves take care of the problem THEY helped create and exacerbate. Let the Arab league spend their fortunes protecting "their Muslim brothers and sisters". Can't have that, just let the American people get bombed and die for these assholes, why should they have any skin in the game? Let us fight for them, die, and then of course be criticized later for not conducting the war as they would have liked, as we of course are the great imperialistic oppressors.


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    #18778640 - 08/30/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Info wars.  Thanks for clearing that up.  It's not that I don't doubt it but infowars has exactly as much credibility as Obama.




Infowars is only the first result. Did you not look any further?
Here is a video of the imported "rebels" loading and firing chemical weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HM_FElma6Cw



You are a comedy act.  Gordon Duff narration of what, exactly?  You really have to do better than that or just stay in conspiracies.  Like I said, I don't doubt that the opposition did it just on qui bono reasons but I would like to see some proof either way.  In what way did it benefit Assad to do this?  It clearly benefits the opposition.  Make no mistake I think they are both scum.


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    #18778687 - 08/30/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Young islamic people from Western Europe fight in Syria. I know , i live in Western Europe and we have proof of it. We busted some when they returned.




No shit they do, that fact alone doesn't even come close to justifying the statement that foreigners make up the majority of the Syrian opposition.  Sober up.


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    #18778696 - 08/30/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HM_FElma6Cw




How do you know the identity of those people and how do you know what the fuck they are supposedly firing?


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    #18778773 - 08/30/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

plain and simple, it was a false-flag operation carried out by either the US or Israel.

if you can't see that, you are a moron.

do you not find it suspicious that the very lone thing that would give the US carte blanch to invade/attack Syria is the one thing Assad would do?
I could understand a move like that from N Korea, who is all about flexing muscle and bravado.. but Assad is currently dealing with a serious civil war, he isn't that stupid.

also, why would Obama, in the same breath, condemn Assad and say that he is absolutely positive he gassed those people, then say that we aren't trying to bring about regime change or back the rebels?

If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.


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    #18778826 - 08/30/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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plain and simple, it was a false-flag operation carried out by either the US or Israel.

if you can't see that, you are a moron.

do you not find it suspicious that the very lone thing that would give the US carte blanch to invade/attack Syria is the one thing Assad would do?
I could understand a move like that from N Korea, who is all about flexing muscle and bravado.. but Assad is currently dealing with a serious civil war, he isn't that stupid.

also, why would Obama, in the same breath, condemn Assad and say that he is absolutely positive he gassed those people, then say that we aren't trying to bring about regime change or back the rebels?

If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.




Assad is scum.  The opposition is scum.  Obama is an idiot.  100,000 people have been killed, about 1,000 by chemical means and he is going to expend American military might just to save face because he opened his stupid piehole.  Not America's face, his face.  We have a fucking retard in the Oval Office.


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    #18778895 - 08/30/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

regardless of whether or not Assad is scum, and even if he really did gas the fuck out of people... why would america intervene? what is our role in this? why is it up to us to do something about it? why have we created the UN, and become the primary enforcer of the UN, only to usurp its power and act like it is a deficient bureaucratic skin tab?

i also found this interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t_B1H-1opys


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    #18779455 - 08/30/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.




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    #18779532 - 08/30/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Speaking of which I could get s bunch of actors to lie down and play gassed pretty easily.


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    #18779735 - 08/30/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

BREAKING rebels admit it was them that set off the chemical weapons, but it was an accident! They didn't even intentionally set it off. It was supposed to go to another group and were mishandled by these idiots.


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    #18779789 - 08/30/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Speaking of which I could get s bunch of actors to lie down and play gassed pretty easily.




Yep, these lying muslim fucks have done it time and time again, and of course the liberal western media just eats this shit up. Much like Obama they have zero credibility. When it bleeds, it leads. Just look at all the poor dead Syrian civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-XtuCYuZBH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t_B1H-1opys

http://shoebat.com/2013/08/09/propaganda-101-pallywood-training-in-egypt/

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    #18780136 - 08/31/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The media talking heads work for "intelligence" agencies.  They are not journalists they are ministrts of propeganda.



Have another cocktail.  You'll pass out and stop embarrassing yourself in public.




http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=15416

Anderson Cooper has long traded on his biography, carving a niche for himself as the most human of news anchors. But there's one aspect of his past that the silver-haired CNN star has never made public: the months he spent training for a career with the Central Intelligence Agency.

Following his sophomore and junior years at Yale—a well-known recruiting ground for the CIA—Cooper spent his summers interning at the agency's monolithic headquarters in Langley, Virginia, in a program for students interested in intelligence work. His involvement with the agency ended there, and he chose not to pursue a job with the agency after graduation, according to a CNN spokeswoman, who confirmed details of Cooper's CIA involvement to Radar.

"Whatever summer jobs or internships our anchors had in college couldn't be less consequential," she added. He has kept the experience a secret, sources say, out of concern that, if widely known, it might compromise his ability to travel in foreign countries and even possibly put him at greater risk from terrorists.

"He doesn't want to be any more of a target than he already is," says one Anderson confidante. On the other hand, as Bob Woodruff and others have learned, American journalists are already prime targets in the world's conflict zones, and are typically accused of having CIA ties even where none exist. And by not disclosing his training before now, Cooper has arguably made it into a potential issue. "It creates the appearance of something smelly there," says a former CNN official who knows Cooper. (Particularly in light of the period Anderson spent studying Vietnamese at the University of Hanoi after college. Soon after, Cooper apparently gave up his Bond fantasy to pursue a career in journalism—except for a brief period when he starred as host of ABC's reality show, The Mole.)

According to the spokeswoman, Cooper told his bosses at CNN about his time with the agency. But even if he hadn't, says Walter Isaacson, who headed the network from 2001 to 2003 and is now president of the Aspen Institute, it's not the sort of thing that would automatically require disclosure, since the stint was brief and far in the past. "I think what he did was probably fine and cool, and I've got no problems with it," he added.


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    #18780239 - 08/31/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.




And you call that video real evidence?  I could make that in my back fucking yard.




and that is my point... if some multi billion cabal has an agenda that involves genocide and massive war, do you think spoon feeding the media images and video of catastrophic "violence" and mass graves of children is some feat that is difficult to pull off?
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    #18780790 - 08/31/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So which muslims are the liars, im not sure you are even aware of who is fighting who.


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    #18780935 - 08/31/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18781222 - 08/31/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So which muslims are the liars, im not sure you are even aware of who is fighting who.




I think we do know. Every cave dwelling, knuckle dragging, desert troglodyte is fighting the other. Not for democracy and peace, but for a piece of the Syrian pie, to instill Sharia law, and for revenge, due to the fact their homosexual pedophile prophet promoted the "wrong guy" 1300 fucking hundred years ago. I spent two years in the middle east. You think "we" should do something? Go ahead, be the hero and save the poor Syrian children. I'm sure Obama would love to go there with you and lead from behind, way behind.

Methinks Zappa stated it correctly, they are all fucking liars, as is our administration. As Putin so eloquently stated concerning the use of gas:

"If there is evidence it should be presented," Putin said. "If it is not presented, that means it does not exist."

I just love how he, as well as the rest of the world is beginning to have no issue with calling out the lying nefarious negro in office.

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    #18781238 - 08/31/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't be quite so quick to glom onto Putin's cock.  He is miles scummier than anybody we have here but he is very clever.

The Affirmative Action President is in way over his head and it is causing much of the country to look with suspicion on any Negro with a credential.  "You didn't earn that" indeed.


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    #18781290 - 08/31/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like how the arab spring doesn't even factor into your "history of the conflict" I can tell you its more then
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cave dwelling, knuckle dragging, desert troglodyte is fighting the other. Not for democracy and peace, but for a piece of the Syrian pie, to instill Sharia law, and for revenge, due to the fact their homosexual pedophile prophet promoted the "wrong guy" 1300 fucking hundred years ago.





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The SMC has the potential to serve as a check on radicalization and help to assert a moderate authority in Syria. If the SMC can create enough incentives for moderation it will likely be able to marginalize the most radical elements within its structure. To this end, the SMC has recognized the importance of the inclusion of some of the more radical forces, while still drawing a red line at the inclusion of forces that seek the destruction of a Syrian state, such as jihadist groups like Jabhat Nusra.





Jihadists are vastly different then those fighting for a free and democratic Syria. The only one who sounds like a "trogydlite" is you, and you sound like a complete toadie for Putin, some democracy he has.


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    #18781305 - 08/31/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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"You didn't earn that" indeed.




Wut? Of course Obama did earn that. As a matter of fact the rationale for him receiving the Nobel was due to "extraordinary efforts" to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."
As well as for " Obama's support for using established international bodies such as the United Nations to pursue foreign policy goals."

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I wouldn't be quite so quick to glom onto Putin's cock.




Are you serious? I guess I just can't help but glom, just look at how he handles his rod!!!


Actually, I'm sick of this pissing contest. One way we could eliminate the national debt is to have a PPV event where Putin and Obama go toe to toe. I would love to see Putin put a hate crime all over obamas lying black ass.


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    #18781327 - 08/31/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian] * 2
    #18781338 - 08/31/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The SMC has the potential to serve as a check on radicalization and help to assert a moderate authority in Syria. If the SMC can create enough incentives for moderation it will likely be able to marginalize the most radical elements within its structure. To this end, the SMC has recognized the importance of the inclusion of some of the more radical forces, while still drawing a red line at the inclusion of forces that seek the destruction of a Syrian state, such as jihadist groups like Jabhat Nusra.




Bullshit, the moderates can't even protect themselves now,(from the foreign jihadists) if Assad were to fall you know damn well what will happen to the "supporters" to the Christians, to the Kurds, to those that don't adhere to their views of Islam, pretty much whomever they disagree with.

So tell me this, If the Sunni jihadists were to take over as it seems Obama wants, and they begin their quest for genocide, do we then go to war with them? IF we were to do so, then of course we would be fighting the enemy of Iran and Russia, can't do that, better to let the people die. 

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The only one who sounds like a "trogydlite" is you, and you sound like a complete toadie for Putin, some democracy he has.




You gonna make me cry.  For an idiot that can't even spell troglodyte correctly, calling someone else a "trogydlite" is hilarious, you just made my day, I'm not crying anymore.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18781512 - 08/31/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Speaking of which I could get s bunch of actors to lie down and play gassed pretty easily.




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    #18781515 - 08/31/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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and that is my point... if some multi billion cabal has an agenda that involves genocide and massive war, do you think spoon feeding the media images and video of catastrophic "violence" and mass graves of children is some feat that is difficult to pull off?
or is it that you are bereft of imagination? or maybe you are so daft that you actually think there is a shred of objectivity in any media outlet...




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18783465 - 08/31/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Link?



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18783718 - 09/01/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well then show it.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Icelander]
    #18783946 - 09/01/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well then show it.



Why don't you look it up yourself? I don't have time to be going through articles trying to find this shit. By the way, the website it was originally posted on is now down and not working because of high traffic to the website, supposedly. It was originally on Mint Press.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18784343 - 09/01/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Because if you make a claim here it's your responsibility to back it up.  Sounds like the usual major cop out of the uninformed. :tongue:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Icelander]
    #18785570 - 09/01/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I saw the artice posted on times of russia.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18785593 - 09/01/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Then link us to it.  Or I'm calling BS.:lol:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18785600 - 09/01/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As an avid RT watcher, you got to take Russian news with a grain of salt, similar to taking in any other state controlled media, if im reading Xinhua news, im going to gleam their is a certain Chinese bias to the news.


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    #18788075 - 09/02/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But will the stuper powers listen?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18790515 - 09/02/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

    http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

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In a report that is sure to be considered blockbuster news, the rebels told Dale Gavlak, a reporter who has written for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC, they are responsible for the chemical attack last week.

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Since the chemical attacks last week, the Assad government was immediately blamed. On Monday, Secretary of State John Kerry said: That Assad’s guilt was “a judgment already clear to the world," according to theguardian.com.




Evil profiteers making up lies and threats to force us into war. Nothing new or exciting here.


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    #18792866 - 09/03/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cui bono?

To whose benefit are these attacks?

Obviously the rebels. Assad isn't the greatest guy but he's probably not stupid enough to gas civilians at a time when he's winning the war and dragging the US into the conflict.

The whole thing wreaks of false flag.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18793329 - 09/03/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18794419 - 09/03/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good read, its impossible to tell whats really going on there, any media is being distorted, its just ridiculous what information is available.

I saw one video purportedly to be shooting "chemical weapons", upon closer inspection, I found them to be the classic "lob bomb" often propane tanks that are hollowed out, stuffed with explosives and bolts and shrapnel, then propelled through a improvised mortar tube, often with a cellular, or mobile phone, garage door opener etc...

I will try to look up the video see if I can find it.

Also, some news...

Syrian Electronic Army recently defaced Marines website

Also heard McCain is very much in favor of the classic funding the group directly, kind of like the FNLA during the Angola civil war. Basically, with minimum risk and investment, if whatever rebel movement wins its sure to be on our side. Although its a tactic right out of the cold war, Syria itself is also a remnant of the cold war, after French colonization the keys of power have always rested with the alawites, but the ethnicities of Syria have been drawn in together, I would hate to see Syria turn out like Iraq, but inevitably your going to see a long and protracted civil war, at first for who controls Syria, after that then between the militants themselves, its only a matter of time before the FSA rises up against upstart Salafists. I would gun for the most moderate groups of the FSA's military command council who want to keep Syria as a sovereign nation.


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    #18794849 - 09/03/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

McCain is an idiot and an asshole.  Not as much as Obama, though.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18795330 - 09/03/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Obama is supported by the Republican party in his wish to bomb Syria. I wish you didn't market your arguments into the stupid left right Republican Democrat argument. It's all marketing. Obama is an idiot, so are a lot of right sided morons.

What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what it is. If I owned a catastrophe medical assistance organization like Red Cross I would LOVE war, you'd make MILLIONS every time people got bombed and there were survivors


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18795415 - 09/03/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what




I agree totally, I don't think we should dither on this issue, but I also think a military strike may be too much. Supplying weapons is in my opinion the less riskiest with a better return on your investment.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18795434 - 09/03/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama is supported by the Republican party in his wish to bomb Syria. I wish you didn't market your arguments into the stupid left right Republican Democrat argument. It's all marketing. Obama is an idiot, so are a lot of right sided morons.



Please show me where I made this a left right issue?  Thanks for your failure in advance.
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What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what it is. If I owned a catastrophe medical assistance organization like Red Cross I would LOVE war, you'd make MILLIONS every time people got bombed and there were survivors




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    #18795437 - 09/03/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what




I agree totally, I don't think we should dither on this issue, but I also think a military strike may be too much. Supplying weapons is in my opinion the less riskiest with a better return on your investment.


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    #18795928 - 09/03/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what




I agree totally, I don't think we should dither on this issue, but I also think a military strike may be too much. Supplying weapons is in my opinion the less riskiest with a better return on your investment.





That's always been the U.S. problem. Supplying weapons was what Russia originally did in Vietnam. They didn't send troops. We sent troops instead of just weapons in Vietnam. I'm sure we've already been supplying the opposition, whether it's public or not

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Obama is supported by the Republican party in his wish to bomb Syria. I wish you didn't market your arguments into the stupid left right Republican Democrat argument. It's all marketing. Obama is an idiot, so are a lot of right sided morons.




Please show me where I made this a left right issue?  Thanks for your failure in advance.




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    #18796848 - 09/03/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What does the French have to gain?


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    #18803834 - 09/05/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this was funny as it just came out today.

BRUTALITY OF SYRIAN REBELS POSES DILEMMA FOR U.S.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52928567/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#.Uij2AX_iTPY


What? Months and Months of video of these "rebels" killing civilians, killing children, killing unarmed soldiers, killing anyone that agrees with Assad, killing anyone that doesn't adhere to their interpretation of Islam, killing all civil service workers, killing priests, burning down churches, and NOW they cause a problem?

The dilemma being how the hell do you tell the American citizens that you just spent billions of their tax dollars to arm murderous fucks, the very same fucks that attacked us on 9/11 and killed soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So NOW it's a problem? What some 90% of the public here wants us to have nothing to do with Syria, but I'm sure Lord Obama will somehow sweep yet another video providing proof of these "rebels" conduct under the rug.

I love this quote from Putin:
Putin recalled watching a congressional debate where Kerry was asked about al-Qaida and denied that it was operating in Syria, even though he was aware of the al-Qaida-linked Jabhat al-Nusra group.

Putin said: “This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans) and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad.”

Of course Kerry denied this and said he "basically was telling the truth"

What a bunch of fucking liars, exactly what kind of disclaimer is that? So he basically is full of shit, and everyone know it.
Reminds me of the whole "no I wasn't lying, I didn't know that putting my cock in a whores mouth, fell under the category of sexual relations" Therefore I was basically telling the truth.

McCain also needs to just shut his piehole. I love this quote from Stewart which sums up most Americans view of this jackass.

“You know what, Senator? Go,” Stewart said. “There’s a Rascal scooter and a bucket of quarters with your name on it over at the Golden Nugget. You could play all the video poker you want, 99-cent prime rib. Instead of playing pretend poker in the actual Senate, go to an actual casino and pretend you know what the government should do.


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    #18803925 - 09/05/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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and pretend you know what the government should do.




Like he does now.


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    #18804481 - 09/05/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I applaud the French. When the entire north of Mali was overtaken by militants affiliated with AQIM and MOJWA. France went right into Timbuktu and kicked jihadi ass. They had instituted a brutal form of sharia, were cutting off arms and legs for simple crimes, beating men who wouldn't grow beards, the usual hardcore jihadi crap.

It seems about the only country serious about tackling Jihadists, is France.


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    #18804505 - 09/05/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I applaud the French. When the entire north of Mali was overtaken by militants affiliated with AQIM and MOJWA. France went right into Timbuktu and kicked jihadi ass. They had instituted a brutal form of sharia, were cutting off arms and legs for simple crimes, beating men who wouldn't grow beards, the usual hardcore jihadi crap.

It seems about the only country serious about tackling Jihadists, is France.




So you want to support Obama in his efforts to help Jihadists?


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    #18804631 - 09/05/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I applaud the French. When the entire north of Mali was overtaken by militants affiliated with AQIM and MOJWA. France went right into Timbuktu and kicked jihadi ass. They had instituted a brutal form of sharia, were cutting off arms and legs for simple crimes, beating men who wouldn't grow beards, the usual hardcore jihadi crap.

It seems about the only country serious about tackling Jihadists, is France.




So you want to support Obama in his efforts to help Jihadists?





Where do you see in my post I want help for jihadists, I want their safe havens eliminated, I want their leaders destroyed. I want to see them marginalized. I want to see Salafism wiped out. Al Qaeda and Jihadi assholes went into Northern Mali, chopped hands off, killed people and were general assholes, France came, restored order, eliminated and killed the jihadist jerkoffs. What part of my post says I support your ludicrous accusation.

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    #18804643 - 09/05/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your post in the other thread seem to imply that you want to do something.
Mali, LOL.  Remember when Italy conquered Ethiopia in WW2?  Yeah, it's about the same.  If France wants to send a rocket and bombers into Syria they have the capability.  Exocets and Mirages, Oh my!


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    #18804746 - 09/05/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your post in the other thread seem to imply that you want to do something.
Mali, LOL.  Remember when Italy conquered Ethiopia in WW2?  Yeah, it's about the same.  If France wants to send a rocket and bombers into Syria they have the capability.  Exocets and Mirages, Oh my!





No, its not the same at all. Also, the Italo-Ethiopian war was fought well before WWII, Mussolini also made unprovoked attacks on greek  islands of the Dodecanese and Corfu. Mussolini had a grand vision of re-creating the Mediterranean as a "Italian Lake". Simple colonialist expansion. Also, remember Ethiopia won a similar war against Italian colonialist expansion in 1896.  Mali and the second italo-ethiopian war is completely irrelevant, after all Italy was condemned by the league of nations itself for using chemical weapons like mustard gas.

Don't underestimate Exocets or Mirages, I remember distinctly during the falklands seeing a single mirage sink a british frigate and cause immense problems for the british before the islands were secured.

Honestly, The Iranians deserve a bloody nose, Their proxy buttbuddies like Syria and Hizb-Allah need to be politically isolated and whither on the vine, without Iranian support their little house of cards will crumble. I don't want to see repeats of the July 06 war between Hizb-Allah and Israel that resulted in over 2000 something deaths, thousands injured and homeless. Hizb-allah are thugs, and are probably responsible for the assassination of Rafiq-Hariri who wanted to move away from Syrian domination in that countries politics since 1970's

Let Assad reap what he sews, give the advanced weapons to moderates in FSA and the SMC, let the tide of war turn against Assad, and when Assad is out, throw your weight behind the moderates and see Al Qaeda, and jihadists pricks high tail It to the next jihad shit hole, whether in Somalia, Afghanistan, or where ever their demended services are needed by the "umma".


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    #18804852 - 09/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your post in the other thread seem to imply that you want to do something.
Mali, LOL.  Remember when Italy conquered Ethiopia in WW2?  Yeah, it's about the same.  If France wants to send a rocket and bombers into Syria they have the capability.  Exocets and Mirages, Oh my!





No, its not the same at all. Also, the Italo-Ethiopian war was fought well before WWII, Mussolini also made unprovoked attacks on greek  islands of the Dodecanese and Corfu. Mussolini had a grand vision of re-creating the Mediterranean as a "Italian Lake". Simple colonialist expansion. Also, remember Ethiopia won a similar war against Italian colonialist expansion in 1896.  Mali and the second italo-ethiopian war is completely irrelevant, after all Italy was condemned by the league of nations itself for using chemical weapons like mustard gas.




The point was that they fought basically defenseless troglodytes.
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Don't underestimate Exocets or Mirages, I remember distinctly during the falklands seeing a single mirage sink a british frigate and cause immense problems for the british before the islands were secured.




I most certainly do not underestimate Mirages and Exocets.  They are awesome.  Let them use them if they're feeling froggy.
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Honestly, The Iranians deserve a bloody nose, Their proxy buttbuddies like Syria and Hizb-Allah need to be politically isolated and whither on the vine, without Iranian support their little house of cards will crumble. I don't want to see repeats of the July 06 war between Hizb-Allah and Israel that resulted in over 2000 something deaths, thousands injured and homeless. Hizb-allah are thugs, and are probably responsible for the assassination of Rafiq-Hariri who wanted to move away from Syrian domination in that countries politics since 1970's

Let Assad reap what he sews, give the advanced weapons to moderates in FSA and the SMC, let the tide of war turn against Assad, and when Assad is out, throw your weight behind the moderates and see Al Qaeda, and jihadists pricks high tail It to the next jihad shit hole, whether in Somalia, Afghanistan, or where ever their demended services are needed by the "umma".




I'd rather not.  The only Islamic moderate who can survive is a dictator.  The people are fucking whack jobs.  They are the problem.


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    #18805963 - 09/06/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Honestly, The Iranians deserve a bloody nose,




And the best way to bloody the Iranians' noses is by killing SYRIANS. PURE FUCKING GENIUS. I got an idea how about we bloody the shit out of AL Qaidas noses. All we have to do is declare war on their "buttbuddy supporters", we just have to kill the Saudis, those in Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, France, and of course our president who has his penis firmly attached to his butt buddy AL Qs' sphincter.


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Let Assad reap what he sews, give the advanced weapons to moderates in FSA and the SMC, let the tide of war turn against Assad,




How exactly do you propose we give advanced weapons "only" to the moderates? Perhaps we can ask them
"Uh, Hassan are you a moderate"? or
"please be honest and tell me are you affiliated with AL Qaeda"?
Or perhaps
"on your honor" would you ever use these stinger missiles against the U.S. or attempt to shoot down an Israeli passenger jet?"
or
"Do you denounce the Al Nusra front, and deny any allegiance to them?" 
Why of course Mr. Obama, and Kerry, can I have my RPGs' now?
Perhaps we can give them an Obama background check. Gotta check all Americans, confirmed Islamo jihadists? Not so much.

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and when Assad is out, throw your weight behind the moderates and see Al Qaeda, and jihadists pricks high tail It to the next jihad shit hole, whether in Somalia, Afghanistan, or where ever their demended services are needed by the "umma".




You are out of your damned mind. If Assad were to lose power, I can absolutely guarantee you AL Q and its affiliates will take over. They will not leave, ever. If they are willing to fight the Syrian army, you actually believe they would be too scared to take over and slaughter fucking civilians with guns? LMAO!
Have you seen what the FSA has already done to Syrian civilians? The civilians want peace, the FSA, war.


Look at Afghanistan, what do you think is going to happen when we leave? We can't even stop the Taliban now. I'm sure if we just gave the opium farmers some AK's they would take back their own country and live in blissful harmony with the taliban. If it could happen, it already would of had.

I take it that when you say we should "throw our weight" behind the FSA, you actually mean we should borrow billions upon billions of dollars we can't afford from China so we can give it to the Syrians. Thank God America is not in deep financial debt, and we have so much cash to give to jihadists.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18811679 - 09/07/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just getting in on this discussion now, but I've been following it the last few days.

There are news articles, reports, and videos showing the chemical weapons being launched by the rebels. It's a fact.

I'll just post this one (sorry if it's already been posted)




Then they flat out tell it the american people it was the Assad government that used them, and that's why they want to strike?  :crazy3:


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    #18811699 - 09/07/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is not a chemical weapon, that is a lob bomb.

Look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lob_bomb



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    #18811794 - 09/07/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Could the contents of the lob bomb contain the ingredients of a chemical weapon attack?

From what I've seen the rebels have admitted to using chemical weapons in the past, and they found the makings of them at bases in Aleppo.


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    #18811796 - 09/07/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure what the deal is here.  Gas kills civilians. Guns kill civilians, bombs kill civilians.  What exactly is the difference in their deaths?  Didn't we drop tons of napalm in Nam.  I think some of that landed on civilians? How is that so different?


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    #18812136 - 09/07/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes the assad government is being framed and america is arming al queda.


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    #18812198 - 09/07/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Could the contents of the lob bomb contain the ingredients of a chemical weapon attack?

From what I've seen the rebels have admitted to using chemical weapons in the past, and they found the makings of them at bases in Aleppo.




Sure, but I doubt the rebels  have such capability, The amount of gas casually shot into Gouta is just a small amount of what the SAA has. If the rebels had it they would use it, often...


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    #18812199 - 09/07/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the assad government is being framed and america is arming al queda.




Maybe in the land of Alex Jones...


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    #18812213 - 09/07/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, its fairly obvious that the only opposition to Assad are Muslim extremists, in other words; terrorists.


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    #18812251 - 09/07/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the assad government is being framed and america is arming al queda.




Maybe in the land of Alex Jones...




The al nusra front was deemed an al queda linked terrorist group by the united states and they compose the majority of the armed opposition.

Fuck an alex jones you obviously just aren't that well informed.  What you need to realize is that psycopaths run the country.


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    #18812275 - 09/07/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If the united states wants to fight al qaeda they should go bomb the rebels.

but now after thousands of young soldiers have died supposefly fighting al qaefa in other parts of the middle east, the USA wants to go help al nusra in syria who are al qaeda.

its fucking outragous and if you haven't been able to see through the veil yet this should be glaring you in the face and alarms should be going off in your mind.

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    #18812294 - 09/07/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This video kind of shows what is fucked up about Syria in a human rights perspective but then when I thought about it.. We did the same shit in the civil war. The Union fought against the "rebels"..

vice is pretty unbiased "kinda" but when they interview the rebels I always get this super islamic "jihad" vibe from the rebels. Assad is fucked up, are relations suck with them but idk if our relations would be better off with these fucks.. That is why this isn't up to debate with average people.. people who have studied this and are TRULY politically knowledgeable have to make the decision..



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    #18812689 - 09/07/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No, its fairly obvious that the only opposition to Assad are Muslim extremists, in other words; terrorists.




No, its not that simple, Kurdish PYD have their own quasi-state in north Syria, wrested control away from the SAA, their are even Christian brigades in the FSA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb6_1348063621


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    #18812697 - 09/07/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If the united states wants to fight al qaeda they should go bomb the rebels.

but now after thousands of young soldiers have died supposefly fighting al qaefa in other parts of the middle east, the USA wants to go help al nusra in syria who are al qaeda.

its fucking outragous and if you haven't been able to see through the veil yet this should be glaring you in the face and alarms should be going off in your mind.

face it cowards.




What are you even babbling about?


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    #18812729 - 09/07/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In one ear and out the other hey?

let me make this clear.

THE USA IS SPONSORING AL QAEDA IN SYRIA AND IS TRYING TO FRAME ASSAD SO THE USA HAS AN EXCUSE TO FIGHT ON THE SAME SIDE AS AL QAEDA.

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    #18812814 - 09/07/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In one ear and out the other hey?

let me make this clear.

THE USA IS SPONSORING AL QAEDA IN SYRIA AND IS TRYING TO FRAME ASSAD SO THE USA HAS AN EXCUSE TO FIGHT ON THE SAME SIDE AS AL QAEDA.

does this not alarm anyone at all?



As usual you are quite insanely presenting nonsense.  There are several factions opposing Assad and probably a slight majority of them are Islamist nutjobs a la al Qaeda.  I doubt Obama is trying to frame anyone and there is certainly no real proof of anything of the kind. 

What alarms  me is that the President is trying to determine foreign policy as a personal face saving measure.  Narcissist in chief.


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    #18812897 - 09/07/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In one ear and out the other hey?

let me make this clear.

THE USA IS SPONSORING AL QAEDA IN SYRIA AND IS TRYING TO FRAME ASSAD SO THE USA HAS AN EXCUSE TO FIGHT ON THE SAME SIDE AS AL QAEDA.

does this not alarm anyone at all?



As usual you are quite insanely presenting nonsense.  There are several factions opposing Assad and probably a slight majority of them are Islamist nutjobs a la al Qaeda.  I doubt Obama is trying to frame anyone and there is certainly no real proof of anything of the kind. 

What alarms  me is that the President is trying to determine foreign policy as a personal face saving measure.  Narcissist in chief.





Thanks zappa, im tired of trying to talk to this guy, I don't see how a president as incompetent as Obama can frame Assad.


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    #18812909 - 09/07/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What alarms  me is that the President is trying to determine foreign policy as a personal face saving measure.  Narcissist in chief.

How can a country such as ours prosper on any level with a government such as we are seeing these days.  Obama is a wasteland of a president.  :facepalm:

It's actually quite funny. :haha:


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    #18813811 - 09/08/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, but I doubt the rebels  have such capability, The amount of gas casually shot into Gouta is just a small amount of what the SAA has. If the rebels had it they would use it, often...




You are hilarious, I'm sure the bomb was filled glitter and magic sprinkles to feed the unicorns. No shit it had chemical weapons, they HAVE used them in the past, they have been caught red handed on several occasion's with sarin.

Of course Assad is being framed. If Obama is sooo fucking certain he did it THEN FUCKING PROVE IT!!!! No one, but no one that doesn't want to get in on the Syrian action believes this cocksucker president, or Kerry, or McCain. The Russians, as well as the Europeans are saying if you got the proof, then prove it! Of course he comes up with some ridiculous pictures as if that proves Assad did it.

The Europeans say let the UN investigative team look at the evidence, but hell no Obama is "certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt Assad did it."
http://news.msn.com/world/europe-urging-us-to-delay-action-in-syria


Of course as it now stands there is NO EVIDENCE to support the claims that Assad did it, but there are several reports to the contrary. The is absolutely NO REASON he would use gas. WTF are people on this forum retarded. Please explain to me why it is a man whose army is on the offensive, winning the battle, surrounding the enemy cutting off the supply lines, as well as using both air support and artillery to pound the fuck out of their positions use sarin?

Especially when he knew full well that in doing so would bring about global condemnation and military reprisals. Does HE want UN foreign intervention or does the FSA? Whom is it that wants the US to take out Assad? 

Lets see...."rebels" getting their asses kicked, really need help, and suddenly and coincidentally, they get gassed. The ONE AND ONLY excuse used to get the American military's foot in the door suddenly happens. Yeah right. 

Most importantly Obamas Saudi masters would love the citizens of the US to take out their enemy. We can even borrow money from them with interest to fight their battles, we can then also pay a correspondingly  huge increase in oil prices after the strikes, the Saudis win twice, the Americans just get fucked.

Of course his Jew masters would love us to spend our cash to fight their war against Hez also. Once again the American public is fucked.

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/israel-lobby-in-major-syria-attack-campaign-1.1228493

And this statement from the french is my favorite Earlier on Friday, Fabius told EU foreign ministers that "there was no need to wait for the U.N. report because it would simply confirm what was already known — that the chemical weapons attack had occurred — but would not say who was responsible."

So there you have it, they have no freaking idea whom is responsible, but they are willing to bomb the fuck out of a foreign nation killing probably hundreds of people, costing us billions, blaming Assad as long as it justifies their course of action.

As for not the brightest crayon in the box's assertion that the FSA is a wonderful group of activists with just a small portion of "bad guys", you're dead wrong.

"helped explain the skepticism that greeted U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday when he told members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee that “bad guys” – Islamic extremists – constitute “maybe 15 to 25 percent” of the opposition forces. 

Several lawmakers questioned Kerry’s assertion and a senior military official told NBC News that actual percentage is “way higher than that.” Defense officials estimate that al Qaeda and related extremists groups now constitute “more than 50 percent” of the rebel force, which is made up of at least 70 different factions, “and it’s growing by the day,” according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Even if Kerry weren't a lying traitorous fuck, why the hell would we supply weapons to people that we know full well have killed Americans at home and abroad? Why the fuck should we pay a god damned thing to those that have killed our soldiers and citizens? The people don't want it, and those not blinded by being directly involved in the conflict don't want it either.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18813862 - 09/08/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well, the Syrian rebels aren't really nice guys either.  i'm suprised the new york times even ran this video of them executing syrian soldiers, considering how the lame stream media is still on their knees blowing Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Obama is probably wheeling and dealing with Al Qaeda because they got their hands on 400+ shoulder held surface to air missiles from the CIA/embassy compound in Libya, where Obama and the boys where gun-running.  :smirk:


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    #18814304 - 09/08/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I can assure you that the NY Times is being dragged kicking and screaming into the fray.  They deplore his actions but love what they think he is a symbol of.


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    #18814877 - 09/08/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They don't want to fight for Al-CIAduh:



Kerry in 2009 getting cozy with Assad. Now he is twisting the knife in.



They don't want to fight for Al-CIAduh either:

12 U.S. Intelligence Officials Tell Obama It Wasn’t Assad

Intelligence is being manipulated, just like with Iraq:

High-Level U.S. Intelligence Officers: Syrian Government Didn’t Launch Chemical Weapons

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    #18814918 - 09/08/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm pretty sure the first 4 pictures you put up were when the Syrian hackers took over the site.

There is never a consensus among CIA people.  Not ever.  There are thousands of them.  I'm not saying these 12 are wrong I'm just saying they don't have any special credibility.


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    #18815639 - 09/08/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They don't want to fight for Al-CIAduh:



Kerry in 2009 getting cozy with Assad. Now he is twisting the knife in.



They don't want to fight for Al-CIAduh either:

12 U.S. Intelligence Officials Tell Obama It Wasn’t Assad

Intelligence is being manipulated, just like with Iraq:

High-Level U.S. Intelligence Officers: Syrian Government Didn’t Launch Chemical Weapons

Why continue to believe the psychopaths' lies?




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    #18815967 - 09/08/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The supposed 9/11 terrorists were mostly from saudia arabia and the syrian government also found chemical weapons supplies from saudi arabia In rebel bunkers.

Thing is though, saudi arabia supplies the vast amount of oil to the united states rivaled only by canada.

bin laden was from saudi arabian royalty too and the bush family has close ties with the saudis and bin ladens.

its all a fucking sick ruse guys.  Meglomaniacal psycopaths are trying to dominate the globe and they are telling lies to placate the public.


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    #18816974 - 09/08/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The supposed 9/11 terrorists were mostly from saudia arabia and the syrian government also found chemical weapons supplies from saudi arabia In rebel bunkers.

Thing is though, saudi arabia supplies the vast amount of oil to the united states rivaled only by canada.

bin laden was from saudi arabian royalty too and the bush family has close ties with the saudis and bin ladens.

its all a fucking sick ruse guys.  Meglomaniacal psycopaths are trying to dominate the globe and they are telling lies to placate the public.



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    #18821375 - 09/09/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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:flowstone:




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    #18824878 - 09/10/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Shins said:
The supposed 9/11 terrorists were mostly from saudia arabia and the syrian government also found chemical weapons supplies from saudi arabia In rebel bunkers.

Thing is though, saudi arabia supplies the vast amount of oil to the united states rivaled only by canada.

bin laden was from saudi arabian royalty too and the bush family has close ties with the saudis and bin ladens.

its all a fucking sick ruse guys.  Meglomaniacal psycopaths are trying to dominate the globe and they are telling lies to placate the public.



:flowstone:





Don't you get sick of these people, im bout to put them all on ignore, they belong in the conspiracy thread and not in politics.


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    #18825966 - 09/10/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Get used to it man, more and more people are waking up to all the lies.  Some are slower than others though, like you.


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    #18826363 - 09/11/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Forget the chemical weapons attack. The bottom line is we the public have not a clue what really happened and if the authorities know, they're not telling.

So putting aside the gas attack story, what DO we know?


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    #18826917 - 09/11/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That about 100,000 people have been killed in Syria and both sides are scum


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18827866 - 09/11/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Get used to it man, more and more people are waking up to all the lies.  Some are slower than others though, like you.




Sounds like more and more idiots are getting their news from Infowars prisonplanet, and press tv.

I know, complex issues need to be turned into simple explanations, such as DERP DA CIA FUNDS AL QAEDA AND THEY DID 9/11! It's the Illimunati, the bilderbergs and the jewish bankers. Dude its not the first time in P&L that we constantly hear regurgitated theories from Infowars.
this type of discourse belongs in the conspiracy thread, not politics and activism, the world is not some simple two dimensional place. For fucks sake have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18828928 - 09/11/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sorry, but infowars and prison planet have about as much journalistic integrity as Fox and MSNBC...


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18828978 - 09/11/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just file everything I say under "infowars conspiracy theory," its a defense mechanism for simpletons who cannot think outside of their own bubble.  For cowards who don't have the balls to face the harshness of reality.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18829127 - 09/11/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Just file everything I say under "infowars conspiracy theory," its a defense mechanism for simpletons who cannot think outside of their own bubble.  For cowards who don't have the balls to face the harshness of reality.




And for rational people who think that Alex Jones fans who don't know they are being scammed by lying assholes making bank fooling the retard class.  Or  nutcases who don't take their meds as prescribed.  Either works.


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    #18829221 - 09/11/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The only problem with your theory is that I don't watch alex jones.

Asnswer me this; rationally why would assad use chemical weapons when he was winning the war, had UN inspectors present, and after obama made a threat to attack him if he did?

thinking rationally it was the rebels who did it in despiration to get the USA to opebly come to their aid.

th is backed up by videos of rebels in posession os chemical weapons, chemical stockpikes found ib rebel bunkers (with made in saudi arabia on the bags) rebels admitting they used chemicsl wespons.

rationally the USA has been supplying the rebels sll along and now since their asymetric warfare strategy of proxy wsr in syria with mercinaries and rebel rousers is failing they are going to plan B: frame assad for chemical weapons.


the only problem though is that everyone knows they sre lying and everyone knows this is s frame job.


so seriously, if saudi srabia supplied the chemical weapons and the rebels used them will the USA

1. Bomb the rebels.
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2. Bomb saudi arabia and or apply trade sanctions?


You Could stop importing oil from daudi arabia to show the world you're serious about chemical wespons!

lol fat chance of that everyone knows its all lies and bullshit


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18829244 - 09/11/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have one shred of evidence that Saudi Arabia has ever had chemical weapons and why do you have such a boner for them?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18829388 - 09/11/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Just file everything I say under "infowars conspiracy theory," its a defense mechanism for simpletons who cannot think outside of their own bubble.  For cowards who don't have the balls to face the harshness of reality.




No, im not the simpleton that needs everything to be rationalized and explained by some complex and ridiculous conspiracy that sounds like its been ripped out of some Michael Bay movie.

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Asnswer me this; rationally why would assad use chemical weapons when he was winning the war, had UN inspectors present, and after obama made a threat to attack him if he did?





Why on earth do you think Assad is winning, he isn't, in fact he makes gains in some places, the rebels make gains in other places, so far he isn't winning, those alleged chemical weapons that were fired, were fired into rebel controlled area's. It was the FSA themselves who escorted the UN inspectors into rebel controlled area's of Damascus. Also, I doubt Assad would think the the world community would even take notice if he did, they haven't seem to taken notice of the hundred something thousand who have died so far without chemical weapons, just airstrikes, bombs and bullets.

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th is backed up by videos of rebels in posession os chemical weapons, chemical stockpikes found ib rebel bunkers (with made in saudi arabia on the bags) rebels admitting they used chemicsl wespons.




This is news to me, I never heard of any of this, I saw one video of a purported "chemical" attack that appeared to be nothing but a homemade lob bomb or rocket, probably one of the vast amounts of crude ordinance churned out in underground weapons factories by the resistance. Also, If you are clandestinely providing chemical weapons to a rebel movement, im sure your not going to stamp your chemical weapons with a "MADE IN SAUDIA ARABIA" tag on it, you must be Sherlock Holmes finding these brilliant clues.

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so seriously, if saudi srabia supplied the chemical weapons and the rebels used them will the USA

1. Bomb the rebels.
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2. Bomb saudi arabia and or apply trade sanctions?

You Could stop importing oil from daudi arabia to show the world you're serious about chemical wespons!




Ok, first of all, I never heard of Saudia Arabia giving chemical weapons to any FSA or resistance group, I think I saw some article in SANA or PressTV or some other Iranian propaganda rag.

saying we need to bomb Saudia Arabia is ridiculous, and absurd. Why would we bomb one of our staunchest allies in the region, a place where we get most of our crude oil from, one of the most stables regions, and containing the two most holiest sites in the Islamic world. Yea im sure muslims the world over will love seeing the country where the two holiest cities in Islam are bombed, Jesus, you must be a fucking genius to come up with such asinine solutions, I hope to god you are being sarcastic.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18830998 - 09/12/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

our government doesnt exactly have a great track record with honesty. every 10 years, something that happened 40 years ago comes out that proves some of these "whackjob conspiracy theorists" were right about some shit.

I think you are a retard if you think assad really gassed those people, and a double retard if you think that even if he did that it is justification for attacking Syria. Every year some shitstain country gets some despot who massacres tens of thousands of his people and it doesn't even make the news.

oh, but he used chemical weapons... and everyone knows that genocide is ok as long as it is done with machetes and bullets and even bombs.

would you call it a conspiracy theory if someone made the very short logical jump to claiming that the reason chemical weapons are a big no-no is because there is very little money to be made from deploying them? most of these weapons have contaminates which can ruin the "value" of vast stretches of land for years.

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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18831376 - 09/12/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN


A Plea for Caution From Russia

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.


Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.

Source : http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18831503 - 09/12/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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our government doesnt exactly have a great track record with honesty. every 10 years, something that happened 40 years ago comes out that proves some of these "whackjob conspiracy theorists" were right about some shit.




Sure, it doesn't, but does that mean the government "always" lies, and first of all, maybe, ive just been following this Syrian debacle when it turned from a peaceful protest to a full scale civil war, because the asshole Assad wont grant reforms or step down. Ok, their were riots that brought down the governments in Yemen, Tunisia, Libya, and a few others, only Libya turned into a giant morasse and the world took notice at Qaddaffi killing his own folks without chemical weapons. Why is Syria so different? Well, Libya, Tunisia and such weren't supported by very powerful neighbors and other countries like Iran and Russia.

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I think you are a retard if you think assad really gassed those people, and a double retard if you think that even if he did that it is justification for attacking Syria. Every year some shitstain country gets some despot who massacres tens of thousands of his people and it doesn't even make the news.





I think you my friend, are the retard if you think the rebels would gas themselves, their own Sunni people, what a inane assertion, and no, despots don't gas or massacre people in the tens of thousands every year, infact the last time poison gas was used in warfare was in the 1980's. Their were massacres in Darfur that drew mass condemnation from the world community and guess what nothing was done, exactly what other massacres by despots are you referring to? You make it sound like despots massacring innocents is something as common as rain.

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would you call it a conspiracy theory if someone made the very short logical jump to claiming that the reason chemical weapons are a big no-no is because there is very little money to be made from deploying them? most of these weapons have contaminates which can ruin the "value" of vast stretches of land for years.






That's quite a fucking stretch. I doubt money determines whether or not chemical weapons are used, its a terror weapon, this is what happens when you fuck with me, you get gassed. You try to shoot mortars at Assads convoy when he leaves for Friday prayers, then the next day 60 something shells of sarin gas slam into Gouta which is controlled by FSA. Yea its the money, not the life and death struggle Assad is currently waging so he can keep his ass in power.

But whatever, I doubt anything their will be done by the world community, Assad will stay in power, the civil war will probably last for another few years till Assad is ousted, and then whether we like it or not, the Sunni's are going to take control, because after all they are in a fucking clear majority to do so. So while everyone bickers and bitches over what to do about the bad man, the FSA and ISIL will eventually overrun all of Syria, and then what?

Haha, no money in chemical weapons, like its a fucking mutual fund or something...


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    #18833184 - 09/12/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if the rebels gassed themselves, or if it was purely a false flag mission. All it would take is one operative from any of the many countries that have interest in this pawn piece. Assad doing it is close to the bottom of my list of suspects.

also, i said "Every year some shitstain country gets some despot who massacres tens of thousands of his people and it doesn't even make the news." how did you read "gassing" in all that?

darfur, rwanda, congo, east timor, cambodia... we don't do shit. why? because there is absolutely nothing to gain for the US.
We are not an altruistic nation. we do not do things out of the goodness of our heart. You tell me a war or intervention type action we have carried out that didn't have some monetary agenda?

do you really think that we are the kind of country that rattles sabers for hubris? it is all about money... or better yet, resources which equals money. we don't care if you massacred thousands of people, what we care about is "are the people in charge there able to be 'reasoned' with?".

afghanistan is sitting on the worlds largest untapped lode of lithium, but there is no infrastructure there. sure, the secondary agenda is that it is a great strategic piece against Russia, but that is just a bonus.

all you have to do is follow the money.

you are retarded if you think we would ever go into syria for anything other than economic reasons. Look at the history of leaders we have tangled with or overthrown. every single one of them has openly given the middle finger to america - except chavez, and the only reason we haven't invaded venezuela is because they play ball when it comes to money and resources. It isn't pragmatism, or altruism, or even self-preservation (thats what WW's are for)... it is nothing more than the almighty dollar that governs every single foreign relations decision for the US.

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    #18835570 - 09/13/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know if the rebels gassed themselves, or if it was purely a false flag mission. All it would take is one operative from any of the many countries that have interest in this pawn piece. Assad doing it is close to the bottom of my list of suspects.




"False Flag" operations is the new biggest fucking cop out, everything is a fucking false flag nowadays. Yea, the guy who has every motive shoot gas shells into rebel controlled territory has nothing to gain and no motive. An operative? from what country, you're over complicating this.

Speaking of this whole debacle, you know whose pushing the Saudia Arabia Bandar dude giving chemical weapons to rebels, Fucking Al Manar, an trying to credit it to AP, Press TV, Al Manar, all of these, Hezbollah state television, Press TV is Iranian, all sleek and in English designed to fool retard americans who would rather take the words of Hezbollah as gospel, and they are good at disseminating misinformation, cause I have already seen myth after myth perpetuated and usually came from either SANA, PressTV, or Al Manar or any of their puppet sites.

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darfur, rwanda, congo, east timor, cambodia... we don't do shit. why? because there is absolutely nothing to gain for the US.
We are not an altruistic nation. we do not do things out of the goodness of our heart. You tell me a war or intervention type action we have carried out that didn't have some monetary agenda?





Their hasn't been violence in Darur for several years, South Sudan split from Sudan, that was the un brokered peace resolution, Rwanda, that happened in the early 90's under Clinton, East Timor hasn't seen major violence since Australian peace keepers left, Cambodia? I didn't know their was a conflict going on their right now, maybe minor border clashes and skirmishes with small rebel groups, Congo? Well M23 seized the government in a coup, and a civil war has raged from low to high intensity for 60 years now.

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afghanistan is sitting on the worlds largest untapped lode of lithium, but there is no infrastructure there. sure, the secondary agenda is that it is a great strategic piece against Russia, but that is just a bonus.





That's absurd, I don't think we invaded Afghanistan over Lithium, maybe you should be taking Lithium.

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you are retarded if you think we would ever go into syria for anything other than economic reasons. Look at the history of leaders we have tangled with or overthrown. every single one of them has openly given the middle finger to america - except chavez, and the only reason we haven't invaded venezuela is because they play ball when it comes to money and resources. It isn't pragmatism, or altruism, or even self-preservation (thats what WW's are for)... it is nothing more than the almighty dollar that governs every single foreign relations decision for the US.





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    #18836422 - 09/13/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know if the rebels gassed themselves, or if it was purely a false flag mission. All it would take is one operative from any of the many countries that have interest in this pawn piece. Assad doing it is close to the bottom of my list of suspects.




"False Flag" operations is the new biggest fucking cop out, everything is a fucking false flag nowadays. Yea, the guy who has every motive shoot gas shells into rebel controlled territory has nothing to gain and no motive. An operative? from what country, you're over complicating this.




ha, what motive did he have, what did he have to gain by gassing a measly 1000 people? why make a one-time limited, comparably small attack with chemical weapons? if he was going to use these weapons he would do it on a massive scale.

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Speaking of this whole debacle, you know whose pushing the Saudia Arabia Bandar dude giving chemical weapons to rebels, Fucking Al Manar, an trying to credit it to AP, Press TV, Al Manar, all of these, Hezbollah state television, Press TV is Iranian, all sleek and in English designed to fool retard americans who would rather take the words of Hezbollah as gospel, and they are good at disseminating misinformation, cause I have already seen myth after myth perpetuated and usually came from either SANA, PressTV, or Al Manar or any of their puppet sites.




now who sounds like the conspiracy theorist?

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darfur, rwanda, congo, east timor, cambodia... we don't do shit. why? because there is absolutely nothing to gain for the US.
We are not an altruistic nation. we do not do things out of the goodness of our heart. You tell me a war or intervention type action we have carried out that didn't have some monetary agenda?





Their hasn't been violence in Darur for several years, South Sudan split from Sudan, that was the un brokered peace resolution, Rwanda, that happened in the early 90's under Clinton, East Timor hasn't seen major violence since Australian peace keepers left, Cambodia? I didn't know their was a conflict going on their right now, maybe minor border clashes and skirmishes with small rebel groups, Congo? Well M23 seized the government in a coup, and a civil war has raged from low to high intensity for 60 years now.




my point isn't that they are ongoing. Every genocide eventually will run out of people to kill. My point is that our foreign relations/diplomatic precedents show that we do not intervene because of altruism, or hubris, or for any other reason other than directly benefiting us economically. With respect to these other genocides, how is syria any different? Are we saying that it is ok to massacre shit-tons of people, just as long as you do it without using chemical weapons?

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afghanistan is sitting on the worlds largest untapped lode of lithium, but there is no infrastructure there. sure, the secondary agenda is that it is a great strategic piece against Russia, but that is just a bonus.





That's absurd, I don't think we invaded Afghanistan over Lithium, maybe you should be taking Lithium.





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    #18868089 - 09/20/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=118481

What do you make of this?:

"Al Qaeda fighters, Syrian rebel group declare truce
A ceasefire agreement posted on the Northern Storm Brigade's Facebook page was signed by both parties and negotiated by the powerful Islamist Tawheed Brigade, which is based in Aleppo."




Sounds like Al Qaeda is about to join up with Syrian Rebels, if Syrian Rebels hadn't already pretty much been put in power by Al Qaeda. And we are going to bomb Al Assad to help them out. Great.


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    #18868328 - 09/20/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this was interesting
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/19/us-urges-un-action-syria-sees-stalemate/
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From the link:
Syria's deputy premier,meanwhile,said Damascus believes the conflict has reached a stalemate and would call for a ceasefire if long-delayed peace talks in Geneva were to take place.

"Neither the armed opposition nor the regime is capable of defeating the other side," Qadri Jamil told Britain's Guardian newspaper."




You have to take anything from either side with a grain of salt so I wonder if there will be a stalemate or if either side can achieve victory.

The only thing I care about is I really hope we stay out it

Muslims killing muslims can only be seen as a good thing in my eyes that should be allowed to run it's course. I don't see benefit in interference


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    #18868339 - 09/20/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Muslims killing muslims can only be seen as a good thing in my eyes that should be allowed to run it's course. I don't see benefit in interference




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18868367 - 09/20/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Muslims killing muslims can only be seen as a good thing in my eyes that should be allowed to run it's course. I don't see benefit in interference




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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Simplicitry]
    #18868383 - 09/20/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Muslims killing muslims can only be seen as a good thing in my eyes that should be allowed to run it's course. I don't see benefit in interference




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At least rabies kills the dog :shrug:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Simplicitry]
    #18868725 - 09/20/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought this was interesting
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/19/us-urges-un-action-syria-sees-stalemate/
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From the link:
Syria's deputy premier,meanwhile,said Damascus believes the conflict has reached a stalemate and would call for a ceasefire if long-delayed peace talks in Geneva were to take place.

"Neither the armed opposition nor the regime is capable of defeating the other side," Qadri Jamil told Britain's Guardian newspaper."




You have to take anything from either side with a grain of salt so I wonder if there will be a stalemate or if either side can achieve victory.

The only thing I care about is I really hope we stay out it

Muslims killing muslims can only be seen as a good thing in my eyes that should be allowed to run it's course. I don't see benefit in interference




When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18869305 - 09/20/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ha, what motive did he have, what did he have to gain by gassing a measly 1000 people? why make a one-time limited, comparably small attack with chemical weapons? if he was going to use these weapons he would do it on a massive scale.




He had all the motive, who escorted the UN into the area, FSA acted as ad hoc bodyguards for the UN soldiers, previous gas attacks have occurred, Their has actually been 14 episodes of gas attacks by rebels and SAA government forces. Assad knows that the world isn't going to act on this issue, like I said earlier, the gas attacks were a reprisal for the mortar attack on his convoy leaving for Friday prayers. Using the weapons on a wide scale? well he doesn't want the UN on his ass, so most gas attacks are small scale in scope. The thing is that their is a powder keg laying with all these chemical stockpiles dotting around Syrian countryside that can easily fall into the hands of real real nasty characters.

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now who sounds like the conspiracy theorist?





All of these media outlets I mentioned are real, look them up, the Syrians, Iranians, and Hezbollah have very sophisticated media and are masters propaganda, they also fund groups like PFLP-GC who are terrorists from primarily the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp. They Syrian electronic army routinely hacks and defaces western sites, they are very very sly at this, PressTV is a western designed news channel with white anchors that has on holocaust deniers, and anything else to discredit Israel or the US. Al-Manar is also jumping into English media, and producing videos and propaganda, this isn't a conspiracy theory, these are facts. look them up. these are all real entities with controversial backgrounds.

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my point isn't that they are ongoing. Every genocide eventually will run out of people to kill. My point is that our foreign relations/diplomatic precedents show that we do not intervene because of altruism, or hubris, or for any other reason other than directly benefiting us economically. With respect to these other genocides, how is syria any different? Are we saying that it is ok to massacre shit-tons of people, just as long as you do it without using chemical weapons?




I don't know, I generally agree with you, when should the UN step into a country if a civil war escalates into genocide, many FSA rebels fear that after Assad is toppled they will have to battle with Hardline Islamists like Ahrar al Sham, Nusra Front, and ISIL.

Personally I think we should aid the moderate FSA, they will eventually become a cohesive fighting force as the war drags on, with military advice and training, their lack of discipline has led to appalling losses in men. This is war, war is hell and I agree their is no difference between a chemical attack and a bomb landing on you or a bullet killing you. So far  no one give a shit until this recent media attack


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Icelander]
    #18869398 - 09/20/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18870669 - 09/21/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




oh, you poor idiot bastard....


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18870828 - 09/21/13 04:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18871115 - 09/21/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




agreed.

What is our motive? We do nothing without a motive for cash. Think of this, we help the rebels, they will topple Assad and rape him and over throw the government, behead him on t.v., and the new regime will be as bad as the old one.

Dude wtf, even if Assad needed to be removed, the current group of rebels is just as bad, no need to assist them. When will we quit doing this retarded crap :facepalm:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: viktor]
    #18871119 - 09/21/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Maybe oil revenues,  indirect.




most likely


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18871158 - 09/21/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

nobody likes the rebels

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/21/syria-christians/2843139/

we just need to stay the fuck out of it


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18871496 - 09/21/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




First off arms companies make money when we drop bombs. Then if there is further involvement more arms and then maybe the big rip off of rebuilding what we've bombed all on the taxpayer tab.  It's all in the family.  Then of course some control of oil revenues is a possible.

There's certainly nothing of a humanitarian nature going on here.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: viktor]
    #18871549 - 09/21/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.



Take Saudi money to stir up trouble?  What the fuck are you babbling about.  How would we get reconstruction money.  We're more likely to pay it.  What oil revenues?  How would the US get oil revenues from Syria, which isn't much of a player anyway?  Fucking nonsense.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18878208 - 09/22/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.



Take Saudi money to stir up trouble?  What the fuck are you babbling about.  How would we get reconstruction money.  We're more likely to pay it.  What oil revenues?  How would the US get oil revenues from Syria, which isn't much of a player anyway?  Fucking nonsense.




Syria is not a major oil exporter, Gun Running? what money do the FSA have to buy weapons? Reconstruction? This isn't fucking Iraq. Dude what koolaid are you drinking?:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18878773 - 09/23/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My point is that our foreign relations/diplomatic precedents show that we do not intervene because of altruism, or hubris, or for any other reason other than directly benefiting us economically. With respect to these other genocides, how is syria any different? Are we saying that it is ok to massacre shit-tons of people, just as long as you do it without using chemical weapons?






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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18879005 - 09/23/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Syria is not a major oil exporter, Gun Running? what money do the FSA have to buy weapons? Reconstruction? This isn't fucking Iraq. Dude what koolaid are you drinking?:




First off I would say I would prefer the koolaid over the homegrown Tennessee moonshine, distilled through a lead laced car radiator, sipped on the front porch with "uncle dad" and the 14 TN meth head siblings that have 3 teeth amongst the whole inbred group. Then again when your diet consists of deep fried possum and muskrat in soup you prolly don't need that toof anyhow, now dus ya.

Secondly, are you serious? What money does the FSA have to buy weapons? They have billions upon billions of dollars at hand to purchase weapons. Where the fuck did the cave dwelling, goat herding, Taliban get billions of dollars in weapons and supplies? How does al qaeda in Pakistan get hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons? How did our enemies in Iraq get paid off in cash, weapons, and pharmaceuticals?

Whom do you think supplies the FSA with billions of dollars? Couldn't be countries with chicken shit leaders that speak of moral obligations to the people while hiding behind the foreign terrorists they fund to kill innocent civilians. Couldn't be the Saudis as they would never attempt to pay anyone off so they could watch Syria implode without ever getting their cowardly, pedophile, scared camel fornicating fingers dirty. Can't fight a war yourselves, they can always buy advanced weapons systems, but you can't buy balls. Couldn't be Obama either.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-syria-crisis-saudi-russia-idUSBRE9760OQ20130807

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-dropsSyria.html ;


In a rare moment of diplomatic candor, US Secretary of State John Kerry told a congressional hearing Wednesday that oil sheiks have offered to pay the United States to unseat Bashar al-Assad as Syrian strong man.  The surprising admission came in response to congressional pressure on the administration to explain how yet another military operation would be paid for during a period of prolonged budgetary sequestration.

Apparently trying to assuage concerns about billions and billions of taxpayer dollars financing a "punishment strike" that most legislators know in their guts is the opening salvo in another Libyan style war of degrading the Syrian military (while untold numbers of civilians are also killed in the process), Kerry, according to The Washington Post, revealed more than he probably meant to:

Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab countries have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.

“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”

Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.

Yes, you read that correctly a FULL FUCKING INVASION, BY US OF COURSE.

In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done."

The conundrum for Kerry is that you can't say "nobody's talking about it" when you've just said that an offer is on the table in case the Syrian conflict becomes a full-fledged Libyan style regime replacement operation.

Scared by the Arab Spring and the Arab Street, the Saudis, the Gulf States, and the other remaining dicator oil barons now are even reportedly willing to work with Israel to remove the threat of activism percolating over into their countries.  Since Syria, given its increasing isolation, has become more dependent upon Iran, the conservative Arab states want to prevent a Persian fundamentalist state from extending its influence over the region.

The result is that conservative states such as Saudi Arabia that have paid Al-Qaeda "protection money" as long as they didn't try and unseat the monarchy are now frightened that populist movements, including Islamic fundamentalism, have gotten too out of hand.

Given that these nations that Kerry says are willing to pay for the US to militarily go to war with Syria -- and these nations are the US's chief oil allies in the region -- well, just do the math.

The only thing that has been stopping the US up until now from dislodging Assad is that the Syrian rebels are split among many different ideological groups, with the most powerful segment perhaps being Al-Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers.  So if Assad is overthrown, it could open the way for a pro-Iranian Islamic fundamentalist government.  As a recent Reuters article notes:

Secretary of State John Kerry's public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and nongovernmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements....

Experts agree that the Nusra Front, an offshoot of the group al Qaeda in Iraq, is among the most effective forces in Syria.

In a second hearing on Wednesday, Kerry was challenged by Representative Michael McCaul, Texas Republican.

"Who are the rebel forces? Who are they? I ask that in my briefings all the time," McCaul said. "And every time I get briefed on this it gets worse and worse, because the majority now of these rebel forces - and I say majority now - are radical Islamists pouring in from all over the world"


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18879479 - 09/23/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My point is that our foreign relations/diplomatic precedents show that we do not intervene because of altruism, or hubris, or for any other reason other than directly benefiting us economically. With respect to these other genocides, how is syria any different? Are we saying that it is ok to massacre shit-tons of people, just as long as you do it without using chemical weapons?











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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18880513 - 09/23/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.



Take Saudi money to stir up trouble?  What the fuck are you babbling about.  How would we get reconstruction money.  We're more likely to pay it.  What oil revenues?  How would the US get oil revenues from Syria, which isn't much of a player anyway?  Fucking nonsense.




Syria is not a major oil exporter, Gun Running? what money do the FSA have to buy weapons? Reconstruction? This isn't fucking Iraq. Dude what koolaid are you drinking?:



I'm not sure I can tell who you are responding to here.  I think you mean to be responding to viktor


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18881420 - 09/23/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yea sorry bout that.


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    #18881492 - 09/23/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up.


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