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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18804852 - 09/05/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your post in the other thread seem to imply that you want to do something.
Mali, LOL.  Remember when Italy conquered Ethiopia in WW2?  Yeah, it's about the same.  If France wants to send a rocket and bombers into Syria they have the capability.  Exocets and Mirages, Oh my!





No, its not the same at all. Also, the Italo-Ethiopian war was fought well before WWII, Mussolini also made unprovoked attacks on greek  islands of the Dodecanese and Corfu. Mussolini had a grand vision of re-creating the Mediterranean as a "Italian Lake". Simple colonialist expansion. Also, remember Ethiopia won a similar war against Italian colonialist expansion in 1896.  Mali and the second italo-ethiopian war is completely irrelevant, after all Italy was condemned by the league of nations itself for using chemical weapons like mustard gas.




The point was that they fought basically defenseless troglodytes.
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Don't underestimate Exocets or Mirages, I remember distinctly during the falklands seeing a single mirage sink a british frigate and cause immense problems for the british before the islands were secured.




I most certainly do not underestimate Mirages and Exocets.  They are awesome.  Let them use them if they're feeling froggy.
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Honestly, The Iranians deserve a bloody nose, Their proxy buttbuddies like Syria and Hizb-Allah need to be politically isolated and whither on the vine, without Iranian support their little house of cards will crumble. I don't want to see repeats of the July 06 war between Hizb-Allah and Israel that resulted in over 2000 something deaths, thousands injured and homeless. Hizb-allah are thugs, and are probably responsible for the assassination of Rafiq-Hariri who wanted to move away from Syrian domination in that countries politics since 1970's

Let Assad reap what he sews, give the advanced weapons to moderates in FSA and the SMC, let the tide of war turn against Assad, and when Assad is out, throw your weight behind the moderates and see Al Qaeda, and jihadists pricks high tail It to the next jihad shit hole, whether in Somalia, Afghanistan, or where ever their demended services are needed by the "umma".




I'd rather not.  The only Islamic moderate who can survive is a dictator.  The people are fucking whack jobs.  They are the problem.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18805963 - 09/06/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Honestly, The Iranians deserve a bloody nose,




And the best way to bloody the Iranians' noses is by killing SYRIANS. PURE FUCKING GENIUS. I got an idea how about we bloody the shit out of AL Qaidas noses. All we have to do is declare war on their "buttbuddy supporters", we just have to kill the Saudis, those in Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, France, and of course our president who has his penis firmly attached to his butt buddy AL Qs' sphincter.


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Let Assad reap what he sews, give the advanced weapons to moderates in FSA and the SMC, let the tide of war turn against Assad,




How exactly do you propose we give advanced weapons "only" to the moderates? Perhaps we can ask them
"Uh, Hassan are you a moderate"? or
"please be honest and tell me are you affiliated with AL Qaeda"?
Or perhaps
"on your honor" would you ever use these stinger missiles against the U.S. or attempt to shoot down an Israeli passenger jet?"
or
"Do you denounce the Al Nusra front, and deny any allegiance to them?" 
Why of course Mr. Obama, and Kerry, can I have my RPGs' now?
Perhaps we can give them an Obama background check. Gotta check all Americans, confirmed Islamo jihadists? Not so much.

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and when Assad is out, throw your weight behind the moderates and see Al Qaeda, and jihadists pricks high tail It to the next jihad shit hole, whether in Somalia, Afghanistan, or where ever their demended services are needed by the "umma".




You are out of your damned mind. If Assad were to lose power, I can absolutely guarantee you AL Q and its affiliates will take over. They will not leave, ever. If they are willing to fight the Syrian army, you actually believe they would be too scared to take over and slaughter fucking civilians with guns? LMAO!
Have you seen what the FSA has already done to Syrian civilians? The civilians want peace, the FSA, war.


Look at Afghanistan, what do you think is going to happen when we leave? We can't even stop the Taliban now. I'm sure if we just gave the opium farmers some AK's they would take back their own country and live in blissful harmony with the taliban. If it could happen, it already would of had.

I take it that when you say we should "throw our weight" behind the FSA, you actually mean we should borrow billions upon billions of dollars we can't afford from China so we can give it to the Syrians. Thank God America is not in deep financial debt, and we have so much cash to give to jihadists.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18811679 - 09/07/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just getting in on this discussion now, but I've been following it the last few days.

There are news articles, reports, and videos showing the chemical weapons being launched by the rebels. It's a fact.

I'll just post this one (sorry if it's already been posted)




Then they flat out tell it the american people it was the Assad government that used them, and that's why they want to strike?  :crazy3:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: x Ju x]
    #18811699 - 09/07/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is not a chemical weapon, that is a lob bomb.

Look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lob_bomb



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18811794 - 09/07/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Could the contents of the lob bomb contain the ingredients of a chemical weapon attack?

From what I've seen the rebels have admitted to using chemical weapons in the past, and they found the makings of them at bases in Aleppo.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18811796 - 09/07/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure what the deal is here.  Gas kills civilians. Guns kill civilians, bombs kill civilians.  What exactly is the difference in their deaths?  Didn't we drop tons of napalm in Nam.  I think some of that landed on civilians? How is that so different?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Icelander]
    #18812136 - 09/07/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes the assad government is being framed and america is arming al queda.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: x Ju x]
    #18812198 - 09/07/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Could the contents of the lob bomb contain the ingredients of a chemical weapon attack?

From what I've seen the rebels have admitted to using chemical weapons in the past, and they found the makings of them at bases in Aleppo.




Sure, but I doubt the rebels  have such capability, The amount of gas casually shot into Gouta is just a small amount of what the SAA has. If the rebels had it they would use it, often...


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18812199 - 09/07/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the assad government is being framed and america is arming al queda.




Maybe in the land of Alex Jones...


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18812213 - 09/07/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, its fairly obvious that the only opposition to Assad are Muslim extremists, in other words; terrorists.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18812251 - 09/07/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes the assad government is being framed and america is arming al queda.




Maybe in the land of Alex Jones...




The al nusra front was deemed an al queda linked terrorist group by the united states and they compose the majority of the armed opposition.

Fuck an alex jones you obviously just aren't that well informed.  What you need to realize is that psycopaths run the country.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18812275 - 09/07/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If the united states wants to fight al qaeda they should go bomb the rebels.

but now after thousands of young soldiers have died supposefly fighting al qaefa in other parts of the middle east, the USA wants to go help al nusra in syria who are al qaeda.

its fucking outragous and if you haven't been able to see through the veil yet this should be glaring you in the face and alarms should be going off in your mind.

face it cowards.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18812294 - 09/07/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This video kind of shows what is fucked up about Syria in a human rights perspective but then when I thought about it.. We did the same shit in the civil war. The Union fought against the "rebels"..

vice is pretty unbiased "kinda" but when they interview the rebels I always get this super islamic "jihad" vibe from the rebels. Assad is fucked up, are relations suck with them but idk if our relations would be better off with these fucks.. That is why this isn't up to debate with average people.. people who have studied this and are TRULY politically knowledgeable have to make the decision..



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18812689 - 09/07/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No, its fairly obvious that the only opposition to Assad are Muslim extremists, in other words; terrorists.




No, its not that simple, Kurdish PYD have their own quasi-state in north Syria, wrested control away from the SAA, their are even Christian brigades in the FSA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb6_1348063621


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18812697 - 09/07/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If the united states wants to fight al qaeda they should go bomb the rebels.

but now after thousands of young soldiers have died supposefly fighting al qaefa in other parts of the middle east, the USA wants to go help al nusra in syria who are al qaeda.

its fucking outragous and if you haven't been able to see through the veil yet this should be glaring you in the face and alarms should be going off in your mind.

face it cowards.




What are you even babbling about?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18812729 - 09/07/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In one ear and out the other hey?

let me make this clear.

THE USA IS SPONSORING AL QAEDA IN SYRIA AND IS TRYING TO FRAME ASSAD SO THE USA HAS AN EXCUSE TO FIGHT ON THE SAME SIDE AS AL QAEDA.

does this not alarm anyone at all?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins] * 1
    #18812814 - 09/07/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In one ear and out the other hey?

let me make this clear.

THE USA IS SPONSORING AL QAEDA IN SYRIA AND IS TRYING TO FRAME ASSAD SO THE USA HAS AN EXCUSE TO FIGHT ON THE SAME SIDE AS AL QAEDA.

does this not alarm anyone at all?



As usual you are quite insanely presenting nonsense.  There are several factions opposing Assad and probably a slight majority of them are Islamist nutjobs a la al Qaeda.  I doubt Obama is trying to frame anyone and there is certainly no real proof of anything of the kind. 

What alarms  me is that the President is trying to determine foreign policy as a personal face saving measure.  Narcissist in chief.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18812897 - 09/07/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In one ear and out the other hey?

let me make this clear.

THE USA IS SPONSORING AL QAEDA IN SYRIA AND IS TRYING TO FRAME ASSAD SO THE USA HAS AN EXCUSE TO FIGHT ON THE SAME SIDE AS AL QAEDA.

does this not alarm anyone at all?



As usual you are quite insanely presenting nonsense.  There are several factions opposing Assad and probably a slight majority of them are Islamist nutjobs a la al Qaeda.  I doubt Obama is trying to frame anyone and there is certainly no real proof of anything of the kind. 

What alarms  me is that the President is trying to determine foreign policy as a personal face saving measure.  Narcissist in chief.





Thanks zappa, im tired of trying to talk to this guy, I don't see how a president as incompetent as Obama can frame Assad.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18812909 - 09/07/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What alarms  me is that the President is trying to determine foreign policy as a personal face saving measure.  Narcissist in chief.

How can a country such as ours prosper on any level with a government such as we are seeing these days.  Obama is a wasteland of a president.  :facepalm:

It's actually quite funny. :haha:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Icelander]
    #18813811 - 09/08/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure, but I doubt the rebels  have such capability, The amount of gas casually shot into Gouta is just a small amount of what the SAA has. If the rebels had it they would use it, often...




You are hilarious, I'm sure the bomb was filled glitter and magic sprinkles to feed the unicorns. No shit it had chemical weapons, they HAVE used them in the past, they have been caught red handed on several occasion's with sarin.

Of course Assad is being framed. If Obama is sooo fucking certain he did it THEN FUCKING PROVE IT!!!! No one, but no one that doesn't want to get in on the Syrian action believes this cocksucker president, or Kerry, or McCain. The Russians, as well as the Europeans are saying if you got the proof, then prove it! Of course he comes up with some ridiculous pictures as if that proves Assad did it.

The Europeans say let the UN investigative team look at the evidence, but hell no Obama is "certain, beyond the shadow of a doubt Assad did it."
http://news.msn.com/world/europe-urging-us-to-delay-action-in-syria


Of course as it now stands there is NO EVIDENCE to support the claims that Assad did it, but there are several reports to the contrary. The is absolutely NO REASON he would use gas. WTF are people on this forum retarded. Please explain to me why it is a man whose army is on the offensive, winning the battle, surrounding the enemy cutting off the supply lines, as well as using both air support and artillery to pound the fuck out of their positions use sarin?

Especially when he knew full well that in doing so would bring about global condemnation and military reprisals. Does HE want UN foreign intervention or does the FSA? Whom is it that wants the US to take out Assad? 

Lets see...."rebels" getting their asses kicked, really need help, and suddenly and coincidentally, they get gassed. The ONE AND ONLY excuse used to get the American military's foot in the door suddenly happens. Yeah right. 

Most importantly Obamas Saudi masters would love the citizens of the US to take out their enemy. We can even borrow money from them with interest to fight their battles, we can then also pay a correspondingly  huge increase in oil prices after the strikes, the Saudis win twice, the Americans just get fucked.

Of course his Jew masters would love us to spend our cash to fight their war against Hez also. Once again the American public is fucked.

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/israel-lobby-in-major-syria-attack-campaign-1.1228493

And this statement from the french is my favorite Earlier on Friday, Fabius told EU foreign ministers that "there was no need to wait for the U.N. report because it would simply confirm what was already known — that the chemical weapons attack had occurred — but would not say who was responsible."

So there you have it, they have no freaking idea whom is responsible, but they are willing to bomb the fuck out of a foreign nation killing probably hundreds of people, costing us billions, blaming Assad as long as it justifies their course of action.

As for not the brightest crayon in the box's assertion that the FSA is a wonderful group of activists with just a small portion of "bad guys", you're dead wrong.

"helped explain the skepticism that greeted U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday when he told members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee that “bad guys” – Islamic extremists – constitute “maybe 15 to 25 percent” of the opposition forces. 

Several lawmakers questioned Kerry’s assertion and a senior military official told NBC News that actual percentage is “way higher than that.” Defense officials estimate that al Qaeda and related extremists groups now constitute “more than 50 percent” of the rebel force, which is made up of at least 70 different factions, “and it’s growing by the day,” according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Even if Kerry weren't a lying traitorous fuck, why the hell would we supply weapons to people that we know full well have killed Americans at home and abroad? Why the fuck should we pay a god damned thing to those that have killed our soldiers and citizens? The people don't want it, and those not blinded by being directly involved in the conflict don't want it either.


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