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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18788075 - 09/02/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But will the stuper powers listen?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18790515 - 09/02/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

    http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

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In a report that is sure to be considered blockbuster news, the rebels told Dale Gavlak, a reporter who has written for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC, they are responsible for the chemical attack last week.

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Since the chemical attacks last week, the Assad government was immediately blamed. On Monday, Secretary of State John Kerry said: That Assad’s guilt was “a judgment already clear to the world," according to theguardian.com.




Evil profiteers making up lies and threats to force us into war. Nothing new or exciting here.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18791675 - 09/02/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18792866 - 09/03/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cui bono?

To whose benefit are these attacks?

Obviously the rebels. Assad isn't the greatest guy but he's probably not stupid enough to gas civilians at a time when he's winning the war and dragging the US into the conflict.

The whole thing wreaks of false flag.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18793329 - 09/03/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18794419 - 09/03/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good read, its impossible to tell whats really going on there, any media is being distorted, its just ridiculous what information is available.

I saw one video purportedly to be shooting "chemical weapons", upon closer inspection, I found them to be the classic "lob bomb" often propane tanks that are hollowed out, stuffed with explosives and bolts and shrapnel, then propelled through a improvised mortar tube, often with a cellular, or mobile phone, garage door opener etc...

I will try to look up the video see if I can find it.

Also, some news...

Syrian Electronic Army recently defaced Marines website

Also heard McCain is very much in favor of the classic funding the group directly, kind of like the FNLA during the Angola civil war. Basically, with minimum risk and investment, if whatever rebel movement wins its sure to be on our side. Although its a tactic right out of the cold war, Syria itself is also a remnant of the cold war, after French colonization the keys of power have always rested with the alawites, but the ethnicities of Syria have been drawn in together, I would hate to see Syria turn out like Iraq, but inevitably your going to see a long and protracted civil war, at first for who controls Syria, after that then between the militants themselves, its only a matter of time before the FSA rises up against upstart Salafists. I would gun for the most moderate groups of the FSA's military command council who want to keep Syria as a sovereign nation.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18794849 - 09/03/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

McCain is an idiot and an asshole.  Not as much as Obama, though.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18795330 - 09/03/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Obama is supported by the Republican party in his wish to bomb Syria. I wish you didn't market your arguments into the stupid left right Republican Democrat argument. It's all marketing. Obama is an idiot, so are a lot of right sided morons.

What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what it is. If I owned a catastrophe medical assistance organization like Red Cross I would LOVE war, you'd make MILLIONS every time people got bombed and there were survivors


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18795415 - 09/03/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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imachavel said:
What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what




I agree totally, I don't think we should dither on this issue, but I also think a military strike may be too much. Supplying weapons is in my opinion the less riskiest with a better return on your investment.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18795434 - 09/03/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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imachavel said:
Obama is supported by the Republican party in his wish to bomb Syria. I wish you didn't market your arguments into the stupid left right Republican Democrat argument. It's all marketing. Obama is an idiot, so are a lot of right sided morons.



Please show me where I made this a left right issue?  Thanks for your failure in advance.
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What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what it is. If I owned a catastrophe medical assistance organization like Red Cross I would LOVE war, you'd make MILLIONS every time people got bombed and there were survivors




Nobody else is interested except the French.  Nobody else is giving a fuck!


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18795437 - 09/03/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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imachavel said:
What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what




I agree totally, I don't think we should dither on this issue, but I also think a military strike may be too much. Supplying weapons is in my opinion the less riskiest with a better return on your investment.


  The opposition is even scummier.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18795928 - 09/03/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
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imachavel said:
What is accomplished by bombing Assad? Geneva convention rules violated by Assad using chemical weapons? Well......... it is what




I agree totally, I don't think we should dither on this issue, but I also think a military strike may be too much. Supplying weapons is in my opinion the less riskiest with a better return on your investment.





That's always been the U.S. problem. Supplying weapons was what Russia originally did in Vietnam. They didn't send troops. We sent troops instead of just weapons in Vietnam. I'm sure we've already been supplying the opposition, whether it's public or not

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imachavel said:
Obama is supported by the Republican party in his wish to bomb Syria. I wish you didn't market your arguments into the stupid left right Republican Democrat argument. It's all marketing. Obama is an idiot, so are a lot of right sided morons.




Please show me where I made this a left right issue?  Thanks for your failure in advance.




Oh no.. I guess not on this issue. Just most of the other ones


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18796848 - 09/03/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What does the French have to gain?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18803834 - 09/05/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this was funny as it just came out today.

BRUTALITY OF SYRIAN REBELS POSES DILEMMA FOR U.S.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52928567/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/#.Uij2AX_iTPY


What? Months and Months of video of these "rebels" killing civilians, killing children, killing unarmed soldiers, killing anyone that agrees with Assad, killing anyone that doesn't adhere to their interpretation of Islam, killing all civil service workers, killing priests, burning down churches, and NOW they cause a problem?

The dilemma being how the hell do you tell the American citizens that you just spent billions of their tax dollars to arm murderous fucks, the very same fucks that attacked us on 9/11 and killed soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So NOW it's a problem? What some 90% of the public here wants us to have nothing to do with Syria, but I'm sure Lord Obama will somehow sweep yet another video providing proof of these "rebels" conduct under the rug.

I love this quote from Putin:
Putin recalled watching a congressional debate where Kerry was asked about al-Qaida and denied that it was operating in Syria, even though he was aware of the al-Qaida-linked Jabhat al-Nusra group.

Putin said: “This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans) and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad.”

Of course Kerry denied this and said he "basically was telling the truth"

What a bunch of fucking liars, exactly what kind of disclaimer is that? So he basically is full of shit, and everyone know it.
Reminds me of the whole "no I wasn't lying, I didn't know that putting my cock in a whores mouth, fell under the category of sexual relations" Therefore I was basically telling the truth.

McCain also needs to just shut his piehole. I love this quote from Stewart which sums up most Americans view of this jackass.

“You know what, Senator? Go,” Stewart said. “There’s a Rascal scooter and a bucket of quarters with your name on it over at the Golden Nugget. You could play all the video poker you want, 99-cent prime rib. Instead of playing pretend poker in the actual Senate, go to an actual casino and pretend you know what the government should do.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18803925 - 09/05/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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and pretend you know what the government should do.




Like he does now.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18804481 - 09/05/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I applaud the French. When the entire north of Mali was overtaken by militants affiliated with AQIM and MOJWA. France went right into Timbuktu and kicked jihadi ass. They had instituted a brutal form of sharia, were cutting off arms and legs for simple crimes, beating men who wouldn't grow beards, the usual hardcore jihadi crap.

It seems about the only country serious about tackling Jihadists, is France.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18804505 - 09/05/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I applaud the French. When the entire north of Mali was overtaken by militants affiliated with AQIM and MOJWA. France went right into Timbuktu and kicked jihadi ass. They had instituted a brutal form of sharia, were cutting off arms and legs for simple crimes, beating men who wouldn't grow beards, the usual hardcore jihadi crap.

It seems about the only country serious about tackling Jihadists, is France.




So you want to support Obama in his efforts to help Jihadists?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18804631 - 09/05/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
I applaud the French. When the entire north of Mali was overtaken by militants affiliated with AQIM and MOJWA. France went right into Timbuktu and kicked jihadi ass. They had instituted a brutal form of sharia, were cutting off arms and legs for simple crimes, beating men who wouldn't grow beards, the usual hardcore jihadi crap.

It seems about the only country serious about tackling Jihadists, is France.




So you want to support Obama in his efforts to help Jihadists?





Where do you see in my post I want help for jihadists, I want their safe havens eliminated, I want their leaders destroyed. I want to see them marginalized. I want to see Salafism wiped out. Al Qaeda and Jihadi assholes went into Northern Mali, chopped hands off, killed people and were general assholes, France came, restored order, eliminated and killed the jihadist jerkoffs. What part of my post says I support your ludicrous accusation.

EDIT: seriously zappa, this is a strawman argument, im utterly confused.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18804643 - 09/05/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your post in the other thread seem to imply that you want to do something.
Mali, LOL.  Remember when Italy conquered Ethiopia in WW2?  Yeah, it's about the same.  If France wants to send a rocket and bombers into Syria they have the capability.  Exocets and Mirages, Oh my!


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18804746 - 09/05/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your post in the other thread seem to imply that you want to do something.
Mali, LOL.  Remember when Italy conquered Ethiopia in WW2?  Yeah, it's about the same.  If France wants to send a rocket and bombers into Syria they have the capability.  Exocets and Mirages, Oh my!





No, its not the same at all. Also, the Italo-Ethiopian war was fought well before WWII, Mussolini also made unprovoked attacks on greek  islands of the Dodecanese and Corfu. Mussolini had a grand vision of re-creating the Mediterranean as a "Italian Lake". Simple colonialist expansion. Also, remember Ethiopia won a similar war against Italian colonialist expansion in 1896.  Mali and the second italo-ethiopian war is completely irrelevant, after all Italy was condemned by the league of nations itself for using chemical weapons like mustard gas.

Don't underestimate Exocets or Mirages, I remember distinctly during the falklands seeing a single mirage sink a british frigate and cause immense problems for the british before the islands were secured.

Honestly, The Iranians deserve a bloody nose, Their proxy buttbuddies like Syria and Hizb-Allah need to be politically isolated and whither on the vine, without Iranian support their little house of cards will crumble. I don't want to see repeats of the July 06 war between Hizb-Allah and Israel that resulted in over 2000 something deaths, thousands injured and homeless. Hizb-allah are thugs, and are probably responsible for the assassination of Rafiq-Hariri who wanted to move away from Syrian domination in that countries politics since 1970's

Let Assad reap what he sews, give the advanced weapons to moderates in FSA and the SMC, let the tide of war turn against Assad, and when Assad is out, throw your weight behind the moderates and see Al Qaeda, and jihadists pricks high tail It to the next jihad shit hole, whether in Somalia, Afghanistan, or where ever their demended services are needed by the "umma".


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