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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18771995 - 08/29/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Congressional AUMF (authorization to use military force) listed 23 reasons for resuming hostilities in Iraq. Certainly Hussein's refusal to provide evidence he had destroyed all the stocks of chemical and biological weaponry that he was known to have had at one point was listed in the AUMF, but it was far from the only reason.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Phred]
#18772128 - 08/29/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where do you guys obtain your information? The internet?
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: chaka333]
#18772290 - 08/29/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where do you get yours?
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18773233 - 08/29/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL. You realize that's a quote from the Russian foreign minister, right?
Are you freaking high? Multiple chemical weapons experts, as well as those on the UN panel have stated that Assad is innocent, and the "activists" are to blame.
“It’s not unlike Sherlock Holmes and the dog that didn’t bark,” said Jean Pascal Zanders, a leading expert on chemical weapons who until recently was a senior research fellow at the European Union’s Institute for Security Studies. “It’s not just that we can’t prove a sarin attack, it’s that we’re not seeing what we would expect to see from a sarin attack.”
Zanders, who also has headed the Chemical and Biological Warfare Project at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute and was director of the Geneva-based BioWeapons Prevention Project, noted that had sarin been the chemical agent in use, the victims would have been dead long before they reached doctors for treatment.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/14/194016/chemical-weapons-experts-still.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news#.UbyKw-uvW_H#storylink=cpy
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/14/194016/chemical-weapons-experts-still.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news#.UbyKw-uvW_H#storylink=cpy
Philip Coyle, a senior scientist at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington, said that without hard, public evidence, it’s difficult for experts to assess the validity of the administration’s statement. He added that from what is known, what happened doesn’t look like a series of sarin attacks to him.
“Without blood samples, it’s hard to know,” he said. “But I admit I hope there isn’t a blood sample, because I’m still hopeful that sarin has not been used.”
Even a proponent of the United States providing military assistance to the rebels raised doubts about the possible motive for announcing the chemical weapons conclusion.
In a passionate argument for U.S. involvement in Syria, Anthony Cordesman, a security expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, wrote Friday that “the ‘discovery’ that Syria used chemical weapons might be a political ploy.” The phrase was in an article that described strong strategic and humanitarian reasons for involvement in the crisis, particularly the recent involvement of the Lebanese group Hezbollah on the side of Assad.
Chemical weapons have been a focus of discussion in Syria ever since the day in August 2012 when President Barack Obama announced that the use of such weapons was a “red line” that would trigger possible U.S. military involvement. Since then, rebels have reported the likely use of chemical agents on dozens of occasions with varying degrees of credibility.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/14/194016/chemical-weapons-experts-still.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=news#.UbyKw-uvW_H#storylink=cpy
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/06/15-2
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Quote: The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.
Back that up.
Are you serious. Sweden is correct. This from German intelligence:
Berlin, (SANA)- German “Die Welt” daily said that only 5% of the armed terrorists in the so-called Free Army are Syrians, while 95% of them are extremist groups which came from several African countries to jihad in Syria backed by the Gulf and Arab countries.
The daily quoted intelligence experts in Germany as saying : ” The German intelligence has an official and detailed account of the nationalities of the rebels in Syria and their locations in the country,”
A member of the German intelligence said that some terrorist groups in Syria wok in full coordination with al-Qaeda, but the extremist groups are most dangerous than al-Qaeda since they commit genocide against children and women and use them as human shields to achieve the possible biggest number of casualties.
According to a semi-official statistics the number of the gunmen in Syria estimated at 14,800 including experts in many fields like the preparation of improvised explosive devices. Most of those gunmen previously participated in several attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The biggest danger lies in the Arab countries’ help releasing Islamic detainees and sending them to Syria with the aim of Jihad against the Syrian state violating the standards of anti-terrorism Conventions.
Ooh, those wonderful peace loving "activists" that want nothing other than democracy, and to overthrow a tyrannical dictator to help the innocent Syrian citizens.
Tell that to the American journalist that just escaped from these "FSA activists". He was imprisoned by them, tortured by them, beaten by them, robbed by them, etc. http://news.yahoo.com/american-photographer-escapes-syrian-islamist-torturers-paper-083351510.html
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
#18773256 - 08/29/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL he quotes SANA news to "prove" to us that the FSA are almost all foreigners, great job.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#18773461 - 08/29/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL he quotes SANA news to "prove" to us that the FSA are almost all foreigners, great job.
Jesus christ, it was from a study by Bundesnachrichtendienst / German Federal Intelligence Service. First published by Die welt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Welt
Would you like another source that cites the German intelligence findings?
http://piazzadcara.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/german-intelligence-95-of-free-army-non-syrian-extremist-groups/ or
http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/13310
or
http://www.nujij.nl/algemeen/duitse-inlichtengdienst-95-van-de-rebellen-in.23571022.lynkx
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Phred]
#18773707 - 08/29/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: The Congressional AUMF (authorization to use military force) listed 23 reasons for resuming hostilities in Iraq. Certainly Hussein's refusal to provide evidence he had destroyed all the stocks of chemical and biological weaponry that he was known to have had at one point was listed in the AUMF, but it was far from the only reason.
Phred
Man sure is 1984 in here. Here is bush's speech incase you forgot.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18774117 - 08/29/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There was no pretense. And the rhetoric is not the same. This is all about Obama saving face. Spit out t3h cawk.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
#18774171 - 08/29/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why are each of your sources credited to SANA, second it refers to the rebels as "terrorsits" something Assad has done since the uprising began, also the article is extremely outdated, Al Qaeda already has an affiliate in Syria, its called Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, they are their own group with its own goals. (SANA) is the Syrian Arab News Agency, they are not German, each article you showed me, I clicked and saw (SANA)Berlin, wow so SANA berlin office works for german intelligence, wow this is a crazy revelation. Best join the Syrian Electronic Army now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/how-the-syrian-electronic-army-and-other-hacker-groups-are-attacking-news-web-sites/2013/08/28/bda8f464-1032-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_story.html
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18774194 - 08/29/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#18774236 - 08/29/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think this is a lot way to late, we should of backed the FSA when they were politically coherent force, secular in nature, looking for reforms and a democratically elected government, but the world has dragged its feet, and the folks the respond the quickest are usually the nasties, and the nasties like ISIL have everything to gain when their is war and instability. The ISIL have become even so large that when Zawihiri was asked for approval of the merger, between Islamic State of Iraq and Al Qaeda in the Levant, he denied it but the merger went on anyhow. It shows you the number one guy in Al Qaeda has barely no control over his own organization, its fucking laughable.
Their is no question the chaos in Iraq is being directly influenced by events in Syria. All symptoms of greater Sunni-Shiia fallout, Russia and China have nary a fucking idea what they are fighting for either, to preserve a dictatorship of such malevolence sure doesn't place them on the moral highground, but whatev's Obama drew his stupid red line and now he has to either eat his words or act on them, and we are acting far to late to game anything out of this. Syria is going to split, the Druze, the Alawites, the Kurds will all try to split off and form their own communities.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#18774319 - 08/29/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't it great that we have a competent leader in foreign policy, diplomacy and things military?
He is far worse than Carter.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
#18774760 - 08/29/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Therian said: Are you freaking high? Multiple chemical weapons experts, as well as those on the UN panel have stated that Assad is innocent, and the "activists" are to blame.
Are you high? None of the quotes from the links you just pasted support what you just said.
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Are you serious. Sweden is correct. This from German intelligence:
Berlin, (SANA)- German “Die Welt” daily said that only 5% of the armed terrorists in the so-called Free Army are Syrians, while 95% of them are extremist groups which came from several African countries to jihad in Syria backed by the Gulf and Arab countries....
Are you serious? SANA is the Syrian state news agency.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18774864 - 08/29/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Isn't it great that we have a competent leader in foreign policy, diplomacy and things military?
He is far worse than Carter.
Keep pushing that agenda
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18775761 - 08/30/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you high? None of the quotes from the links you just pasted support what you just said.
What? That the rebels used gas? It's been known forever. I predicted this is exactly how it would end up months ago. Western powers looking for an excuse to get their proverbial foot in the door.
U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator
GENEVA (Reuters) - U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.
The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.
Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.
"This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.
Del Ponte, a former Swiss attorney-general who also served as prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, gave no details as to when or where sarin may have been used.
From a more pragmatic perspective, I would just love for someone to explain to me as to why Assad would use chemical weapons. There is absolutely nothing that sarin is going to accomplish that a few mortar shells couldn't easily do with zero international condemnation. From a tactical viewpoint Assad is doing everything correctly, it really is stupid simple, the use of chems in completely unnecessary.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
#18775806 - 08/30/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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second it refers to the rebels as "terrorsits" something Assad has done since the uprising began,
WTF is a Terrorsit? Did you mean TerrorSlit, as in a female jihadists?
LMFAO, Please tell me what standardized metric do YOU use to characterize one as a "terrorist". Yep, Western backed foreign AL-Q, jihadists, beheading civilians, shooting kids in the mouth and murdering them in front of their parents, beheading monks when they attempted to stop these "activists" from raping nuns.
Murdering civilians, eating their organs, bbq'ing their heads, throwing post office workers off the tops of buildings for the crime of working for the government, killing citizens for the crime of "supporting the president" etc. No this does not make one a "terrorist", everyone knows "activists" walk the streets terrorizing the citizens of a foreign nation with RPG's in hand.
But....put a fucking utility knife/boxcutter in someones hand and of course they are terrorists!!!! Bullshit, why won't the dem douchebags just admit it, 9/11 was actually the work of "activists" but, our president insists on calling them "terrorists". What a derogatory negro we have in command!
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
#18775875 - 08/30/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Therian said: What? That the rebels used gas?
That's not what you said. You said "Assad is innocent". None of the links you pasted supported that statement.
You know it's possible that more than one party can use chemical weapons, right?
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18776690 - 08/30/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by The_Red_Crayon (08/30/13 10:08 AM)
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18776939 - 08/30/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.
Back that up.
Young islamic people from Western Europe fight in Syria. I know , i live in Western Europe and we have proof of it. We busted some when they returned.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: kyoto]
#18776974 - 08/30/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kyoto said:
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The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people.
Back that up.
Young islamic people from Western Europe fight in Syria. I know , i live in Western Europe and we have proof of it. We busted some when they returned. One of the more famous local imams said he was happy his son was dead, for now he is a martyr.
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