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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#18766710 - 08/28/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?
1984 yo.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18767245 - 08/28/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#18767259 - 08/28/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: OmniDimensional]
#18768268 - 08/28/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OmniDimensional said: Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?
1984 yo.
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Shins said: The media talking heads work for "intelligence" agencies. They are not journalists they are ministrts of propeganda.
That war drum is getting louder and louder. Yall ready for another vastly unpopular war in the desert? almost 100 years out from WW1, very similar scenario, this shit could get out of hand so quick. Bet all those minor countries are starting to regret getting caught up in nato now.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18768891 - 08/28/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I highly doubt Assad is responsible for that chemical attack (if it even really happened)
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18769077 - 08/28/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No war is the same and no scenario exactly the same, the references to Iraq, I don't see how these situations are relevant at all besides the common denominator of WMD's, one attack occurring during the Iranian-Iraq gulf war to a civil war, the only similarities is they that Saddamm and Assad both belong to the same baath party and both gassed specific groups of people. This is not the first time Syria has been faced with Sunni rebellion
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18769123 - 08/28/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SWEDEN said: Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention.
You're an idiot if you don't see how both sides can benefit from blaming the other for a chemical attack even if they themselves caused it for that purpose.
I can see how the opposition can benefit from using gas but I cannot see how Assad could. He was the obvious choice to get blamed and Obama said there would be a shitstorm if he did. Obama didn't say the same thing about the opposition and they don't have any targets of value to attack. Now that the Benghazi pipeline has been shut they are losing badly. I must say I am very suspicious about this whole thing and if the empty pants idiot in the Oval Office hadn't made a threat many months ago he probably wouldn't do anything but complain. Now he's boxed in by his own stupidity.
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/the-president-has-no-authority-to-unilaterally-attack-iran-if-he-does-i-will-move-to-impeach-joe-biden/
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Presidential hopeful Delaware Sen. Joe Biden stated unequivocally that he will move to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran without first gaining congressional approval.
Sure Joe Biden disagreed, but that was in 2007. The law stopped applying in 2008. All laws did. And if you disagree, well you’re probably racist. (But only if you disagree after 2008)
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: OmniDimensional]
#18769140 - 08/28/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OmniDimensional said: Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?
1984 yo.
Congress approved the Iraq war, Iraq had already attacked a foreign nation, been defeated and was under a cease fire agreement which they violated. I can't imagine a less applicable comparison.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18769336 - 08/28/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The_Red_Crayon said: No war is the same and no scenario exactly the same, the references to Iraq, I don't see how these situations are relevant at all besides the common denominator of WMD's, one attack occurring during the Iranian-Iraq gulf war to a civil war, the only similarities is they that Saddamm and Assad both belong to the same baath party and both gassed specific groups of people. This is not the first time Syria has been faced with Sunni rebellion
Well Duh, no analogy is ever perfect.
See: The balkan theater ww1.Quote:
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OmniDimensional said: Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?
1984 yo.
Congress approved the Iraq war, Iraq had already attacked a foreign nation, been defeated and was under a cease fire agreement which they violated. I can't imagine a less applicable comparison.
Rhetoric means use of language Shillinstein
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18769350 - 08/28/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Word on the streets is the gas attack was in retaliation for mortars slamming into his convoy as it left for Friday prayers.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18769364 - 08/28/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The_Red_Crayon said: No war is the same and no scenario exactly the same, the references to Iraq, I don't see how these situations are relevant at all besides the common denominator of WMD's, one attack occurring during the Iranian-Iraq gulf war to a civil war, the only similarities is they that Saddamm and Assad both belong to the same baath party and both gassed specific groups of people. This is not the first time Syria has been faced with Sunni rebellion
Well Duh, no analogy is ever perfect.
See: The balkan theater ww1.Quote:
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OmniDimensional said: Dejavu. Isn't this the same rhetoric that was going on before we went to war with Iraq?
1984 yo.
Congress approved the Iraq war, Iraq had already attacked a foreign nation, been defeated and was under a cease fire agreement which they violated. I can't imagine a less applicable comparison.
Rhetoric means use of language Shillinstein
Hence my point that it isn't the same rhetoric. It was different rhetoric.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18769391 - 08/28/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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WMDS/Chemical Weapons Slaughter of his own people "Violations of international laws" For the greater good of all
Someone didn't watch the state departments news conference today, and doesn't know what rhetoric means
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
#18769482 - 08/28/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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elax420 said: WMDS/Chemical Weapons Slaughter of his own people "Violations of international laws" For the greater good of all
Someone didn't watch the state departments news conference today, and doesn't know what rhetoric means 
Where is the "violation of ceasefire agreement"? The invasion of Kuwait? You do know the second Iraq war was a continuation of the first, right? It was solely undertaken because Saddam overstepped his borders. I do not believe anybody did shit when he gassed the Kurds, which took place in 1988. Where is the Congressional Authorization to Use Military Force?
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18769505 - 08/28/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I can see how the opposition can benefit from using gas but I cannot see how Assad could.
I'm speculating, but I don't think Obama would be able to overtly support the FSA at all if it came out that it was the rebels that killed hundreds of people in a gas attack. Assad is a clever guy and has been working all the PR angles he can. He hired some fancy-ass New York PR company at the beginning of the uprising and I even saw him on 60 minutes at some point. Recently he started his own Instagram showing him and his wife making the propaganda rounds. If he could frame the rebels for a massive gas attack that would be a huge PR win and possibly ensure that most Western countries would leave Syria well enough alone.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18769526 - 08/28/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The problem is that nothing will ever come out. The opposition (I refuse to call them "rebels") knows that the prime suspect will be Assad. And they have been losing badly of late.
If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his money back.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18769656 - 08/28/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The problem is that nothing will ever come out.
Yup.
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If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his money back.
I guess he'd look a lot worse without it. As someone else put it, it helps that "he speaks English and his wife is hot". She was featured in some fashion magazine just before the shit hit the fan.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
#18769738 - 08/28/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why would he need a PR firm when he had Hillary?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-27/u-s-won-t-intervene-in-syria-unrest-clinton-says-on-cbs.html
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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. won’t enter into the internal conflict in Syria the way it has in Libya, where the international effort to protect civilians from Muammar Qaddafi is progressing.
“No,” Clinton said when asked on the CBS program “Face the Nation” if the U.S. would intervene in Syria’s unrest. Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s security forces clashed with protesters in several cities over the weekend after his promises of freedoms and pay increases failed to prevent dissent from spreading across the country.
Clinton said the elements that led to intervention in Libya -- international condemnation, an Arab League call for action, a United Nations Security Council resolution -- are “not going to happen” with Syria, in part because members of the U.S. Congress from both parties say they believe Assad is “a reformer.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/28/john-kerry-wasnt-always-so-harsh-to-syrian-president-assad/
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Kerry has met with Assad on numerous occasions and once lauded Assad in 2011 as being a “very generous” man, according to the Weekly Standard.
“Well, I personally believe that — I mean, this is my belief, okay?” Kerry said. “But President Assad has been very generous with me in terms of the discussions we have had. And when I last went to — the last several trips to Syria — I asked President Assad to do certain things to build the relationship with the United States and sort of show the good faith that would help us to move the process forward.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/28/john-kerry-wasnt-always-so-harsh-to-syrian-president-assad/
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18769801 - 08/28/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The problem is that nothing will ever come out. The opposition (I refuse to call them "rebels") knows that the prime suspect will be Assad. And they have been losing badly of late.
If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his money back.
Hardly, if anyone is losing its Assad, rebel forces are about to storm right through Latakia, the traditional heartland and home of Assad's offshoot islamist sect, the Alawites. Also 600 Concourse missiles were looted out of a Assadist base overran near Qumrooin (sp), Kurdish PYD has carved out a ministate for themselves, and ISIL already has a sizeable chunk as well.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#18769874 - 08/28/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The_Red_Crayon said:
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zappaisgod said: The problem is that nothing will ever come out. The opposition (I refuse to call them "rebels") knows that the prime suspect will be Assad. And they have been losing badly of late.
If he hired a fancy ass PR firm he should get his money back.
Hardly, if anyone is losing its Assad, rebel forces are about to storm right through Latakia, the traditional heartland and home of Assad's offshoot islamist sect, the Alawites. Also 600 Concourse missiles were looted out of a Assadist base overran near Qumrooin (sp), Kurdish PYD has carved out a ministate for themselves, and ISIL already has a sizeable chunk as well.
They were losing ground lately.
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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18770336 - 08/28/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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elax420 said: WMDS/Chemical Weapons Slaughter of his own people "Violations of international laws" For the greater good of all
Someone didn't watch the state departments news conference today, and doesn't know what rhetoric means 
Where is the "violation of ceasefire agreement"? The invasion of Kuwait? You do know the second Iraq war was a continuation of the first, right? It was solely undertaken because Saddam overstepped his borders. I do not believe anybody did shit when he gassed the Kurds, which took place in 1988. Where is the Congressional Authorization to Use Military Force?
When a person is simple everything looks the same.
Dude now you are just pulling shit out of your ass to defend yourself and the republican party. You know damn well the pretense for Iraq 2 was WMDs.
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