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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: viktor]
    #18871549 - 09/21/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.



Take Saudi money to stir up trouble?  What the fuck are you babbling about.  How would we get reconstruction money.  We're more likely to pay it.  What oil revenues?  How would the US get oil revenues from Syria, which isn't much of a player anyway?  Fucking nonsense.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. *DELETED* [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18876837 - 09/22/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: imachavel]
    #18876864 - 09/22/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18878208 - 09/22/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ChuangTzu said:
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When have we ever stayed out of something when a buck can be turned by someone over here?




How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.



Take Saudi money to stir up trouble?  What the fuck are you babbling about.  How would we get reconstruction money.  We're more likely to pay it.  What oil revenues?  How would the US get oil revenues from Syria, which isn't much of a player anyway?  Fucking nonsense.




Syria is not a major oil exporter, Gun Running? what money do the FSA have to buy weapons? Reconstruction? This isn't fucking Iraq. Dude what koolaid are you drinking?:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18878773 - 09/23/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My point is that our foreign relations/diplomatic precedents show that we do not intervene because of altruism, or hubris, or for any other reason other than directly benefiting us economically. With respect to these other genocides, how is syria any different? Are we saying that it is ok to massacre shit-tons of people, just as long as you do it without using chemical weapons?






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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18879005 - 09/23/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Syria is not a major oil exporter, Gun Running? what money do the FSA have to buy weapons? Reconstruction? This isn't fucking Iraq. Dude what koolaid are you drinking?:




First off I would say I would prefer the koolaid over the homegrown Tennessee moonshine, distilled through a lead laced car radiator, sipped on the front porch with "uncle dad" and the 14 TN meth head siblings that have 3 teeth amongst the whole inbred group. Then again when your diet consists of deep fried possum and muskrat in soup you prolly don't need that toof anyhow, now dus ya.

Secondly, are you serious? What money does the FSA have to buy weapons? They have billions upon billions of dollars at hand to purchase weapons. Where the fuck did the cave dwelling, goat herding, Taliban get billions of dollars in weapons and supplies? How does al qaeda in Pakistan get hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons? How did our enemies in Iraq get paid off in cash, weapons, and pharmaceuticals?

Whom do you think supplies the FSA with billions of dollars? Couldn't be countries with chicken shit leaders that speak of moral obligations to the people while hiding behind the foreign terrorists they fund to kill innocent civilians. Couldn't be the Saudis as they would never attempt to pay anyone off so they could watch Syria implode without ever getting their cowardly, pedophile, scared camel fornicating fingers dirty. Can't fight a war yourselves, they can always buy advanced weapons systems, but you can't buy balls. Couldn't be Obama either.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-syria-crisis-saudi-russia-idUSBRE9760OQ20130807

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-dropsSyria.html ;


In a rare moment of diplomatic candor, US Secretary of State John Kerry told a congressional hearing Wednesday that oil sheiks have offered to pay the United States to unseat Bashar al-Assad as Syrian strong man.  The surprising admission came in response to congressional pressure on the administration to explain how yet another military operation would be paid for during a period of prolonged budgetary sequestration.

Apparently trying to assuage concerns about billions and billions of taxpayer dollars financing a "punishment strike" that most legislators know in their guts is the opening salvo in another Libyan style war of degrading the Syrian military (while untold numbers of civilians are also killed in the process), Kerry, according to The Washington Post, revealed more than he probably meant to:

Secretary of State John Kerry said at Wednesday’s hearing that Arab countries have offered to pay for the entirety of unseating President Bashar al-Assad if the United States took the lead militarily.

“With respect to Arab countries offering to bear costs and to assess, the answer is profoundly yes,” Kerry said. “They have. That offer is on the table.”

Asked by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) about how much those countries would contribute, Kerry said they have offered to pay for all of a full invasion.

Yes, you read that correctly a FULL FUCKING INVASION, BY US OF COURSE.

In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing the way we’ve done it previously in other places, they’ll carry that cost,” Kerry said. “That’s how dedicated they are at this. That’s not in the cards, and nobody’s talking about it, but they’re talking in serious ways about getting this done."

The conundrum for Kerry is that you can't say "nobody's talking about it" when you've just said that an offer is on the table in case the Syrian conflict becomes a full-fledged Libyan style regime replacement operation.

Scared by the Arab Spring and the Arab Street, the Saudis, the Gulf States, and the other remaining dicator oil barons now are even reportedly willing to work with Israel to remove the threat of activism percolating over into their countries.  Since Syria, given its increasing isolation, has become more dependent upon Iran, the conservative Arab states want to prevent a Persian fundamentalist state from extending its influence over the region.

The result is that conservative states such as Saudi Arabia that have paid Al-Qaeda "protection money" as long as they didn't try and unseat the monarchy are now frightened that populist movements, including Islamic fundamentalism, have gotten too out of hand.

Given that these nations that Kerry says are willing to pay for the US to militarily go to war with Syria -- and these nations are the US's chief oil allies in the region -- well, just do the math.

The only thing that has been stopping the US up until now from dislodging Assad is that the Syrian rebels are split among many different ideological groups, with the most powerful segment perhaps being Al-Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers.  So if Assad is overthrown, it could open the way for a pro-Iranian Islamic fundamentalist government.  As a recent Reuters article notes:

Secretary of State John Kerry's public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and nongovernmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements....

Experts agree that the Nusra Front, an offshoot of the group al Qaeda in Iraq, is among the most effective forces in Syria.

In a second hearing on Wednesday, Kerry was challenged by Representative Michael McCaul, Texas Republican.

"Who are the rebel forces? Who are they? I ask that in my briefings all the time," McCaul said. "And every time I get briefed on this it gets worse and worse, because the majority now of these rebel forces - and I say majority now - are radical Islamists pouring in from all over the world"


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18879479 - 09/23/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My point is that our foreign relations/diplomatic precedents show that we do not intervene because of altruism, or hubris, or for any other reason other than directly benefiting us economically. With respect to these other genocides, how is syria any different? Are we saying that it is ok to massacre shit-tons of people, just as long as you do it without using chemical weapons?











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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18880513 - 09/23/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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How the hell are we going to turn a buck here?




Gunrunning. Taking Saudi money to stir up trouble. Possibly reconstruction money. Maybe oil revenues, whether direct or indirect.



Take Saudi money to stir up trouble?  What the fuck are you babbling about.  How would we get reconstruction money.  We're more likely to pay it.  What oil revenues?  How would the US get oil revenues from Syria, which isn't much of a player anyway?  Fucking nonsense.




Syria is not a major oil exporter, Gun Running? what money do the FSA have to buy weapons? Reconstruction? This isn't fucking Iraq. Dude what koolaid are you drinking?:



I'm not sure I can tell who you are responding to here.  I think you mean to be responding to viktor


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18881420 - 09/23/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yea sorry bout that.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18881492 - 09/23/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up.


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