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Do you believe...
    #18740143 - 08/21/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740147 - 08/21/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I believe that everything reasons for a happen.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740151 - 08/21/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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urbannerd said:
that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?




Simply put, no.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: ClockCode]
    #18740152 - 08/21/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

For A reason yes, even if that reason is only the laws of physics.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Deviate]
    #18740166 - 08/21/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I understand the question is so broad but I think I mostly mean it in terms of uncontrollable situations that you are put in through out life.

such as being murdered? getting robbed? raped? somehow getting really sick and dying?

or even things like meeting someone new, finding something random, the new job you just started at mcdonalds?


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740179 - 08/21/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I hate it when people word it that way for some reason. Instead of errything happens for a reason, I like to think there is a great karmic balance in the universe keeping everything somewhat evened out, and possibly effecting fate.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Deviate]
    #18740183 - 08/21/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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For A reason yes, even if that reason is only the laws of physics.




Yeah, this. The reason is determinism.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740223 - 08/21/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It seems there are both random and causative elements in everything that happens.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740242 - 08/21/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

On a more serious note, I run in an existentialist vein.  This implies I believe us to be the masters of our own respective "fate" so to speak, and that it is our actions that shape it; essentially a disbelief in predestination (a related topic).  To exist as we do is to give meaning, without existence there wouldn't be anything to attribute meaning and create that distinguishment.

It is we who create a reason for the happening.

Or I might be high.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd] * 1
    #18740254 - 08/21/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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urbannerd said:
that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?




Sometimes, the reason is that youre an idiot and you make poor life decisions. Sooo kinda...


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740266 - 08/21/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

From my perspective it appears that evolution would be a reason behind all happenings, as far as the reason for evolution I would say there is none. To experience, to exist, something like that maybe but as far as I've experienced there doesn't seem to be a supra-physical motive behind evolution like becoming a deity or whatever.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18740285 - 08/21/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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From my perspective it appears that evolution would be a reason behind all happenings, as far as the reason for evolution I would say there is none. To experience, to exist, something like that maybe but as far as I've experienced there doesn't seem to be a supra-physical motive behind evolution like becoming a deity or whatever.



not YET! :whatdidyoudo:


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18740295 - 08/21/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well you never know



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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18740297 - 08/21/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Really makes you think...


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18740317 - 08/21/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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urbannerd said:
in terms of uncontrollable situations that you are put in through out life.

such as being murdered




Haha
That was sure uncomfortable that time I got murdered. but  ~~E-H-F-A-R~~


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18741072 - 08/22/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

urbannerd said:
that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?




Everything happens due to a cause imo.  You may equate cause with reason.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: ClockCode]
    #18741676 - 08/22/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This implies I believe us to be the masters of our own respective "fate" so to speak, and that it is our actions that shape it




So as if the universe sets its winds to push your boat a certain direction  but its up to you to determine your actual path


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18741720 - 08/22/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP: yes


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Icelander]
    #18742263 - 08/22/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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urbannerd said:
that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?




Everything happens due to a cause imo.  You may equate cause with reason.




That's a good point, going to have to rephrase my original statement to no. No reason that I know of.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: urbannerd]
    #18742427 - 08/22/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes.  It doesn't exactly answer the question of "is there a reason" behind any individual event.  But it does start to.

Humans cannot be described as the observable sum of their parts, we've found it to be inaccurate.  A brain is a system of "pieces" working together to create some quality not present in the pieces.  They create thoughts which attribute meaning and value and reason to things.

The pieces are our facticity.  They're our birthplace, age, height, skin tone.

Transcendence is the meaning you apply to the world around you with these thoughts.  It's the significance behind the stars being aligned a certain way when you're born.  It's the purpose behind Joe Smith's daughter surviving her childhood flu.  We create a reason or cause behind things when in truth it's just the grand architecture of the universe working through a series of indescribably complex and overlapping instances.  Physicists apply meaning with science, priests apply it with religion, politicians apply it with diplomacy.

We are free to choose the meaning and reasons behind our lives.  One day I found that currency held minimal meaning to me, though I still need some it is no longer a motivator as it is for some others.  I also decided not to believe God was the reason behind everything, and formulated my own beliefs.  The scale is irrelevant.

Without thought there is no meaning behind anything, it simply is (potentially debatable too).  A similar idea is echoed in Dao philosophy.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18742988 - 08/22/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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urbannerd said:
that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?




Everything happens due to a cause imo.  You may equate cause with reason.




That's a good point, going to have to rephrase my original statement to no. No reason that I know of.




But the way that phrase is used usually implies a master plan and a happy ending, I think.
I don't think people are trying to make a statement about causality when they say it.  It's more like, something shitty happens, but it was supposed to happen for the purpose of a life lesson or something.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: kennedy]
    #18742999 - 08/22/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the Disney version of causality is stupid. It leads people to believe that they are the main character in the TV Show of their life, which is narcissistic and insane. Causality is causality. If you stub your toe it's because you're a shit head and you should have been looking where you were going. If you win the lotto it's because the balls had the same numbers on them as the ones you picked.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: crumblebum]
    #18743023 - 08/22/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread title made Cher start singing in my head.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18743140 - 08/22/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you believe... [Re: ClockCode]
    #18746570 - 08/23/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ClockCode said:
Yes.  It doesn't exactly answer the question of "is there a reason" behind any individual event.  But it does start to.

Humans cannot be described as the observable sum of their parts, we've found it to be inaccurate.  A brain is a system of "pieces" working together to create some quality not present in the pieces.  They create thoughts which attribute meaning and value and reason to things.

The pieces are our facticity.  They're our birthplace, age, height, skin tone.

Transcendence is the meaning you apply to the world around you with these thoughts.  It's the significance behind the stars being aligned a certain way when you're born.  It's the purpose behind Joe Smith's daughter surviving her childhood flu.  We create a reason or cause behind things when in truth it's just the grand architecture of the universe working through a series of indescribably complex and overlapping instances.  Physicists apply meaning with science, priests apply it with religion, politicians apply it with diplomacy.

We are free to choose the meaning and reasons behind our lives.  One day I found that currency held minimal meaning to me, though I still need some it is no longer a motivator as it is for some others.  I also decided not to believe God was the reason behind everything, and formulated my own beliefs.  The scale is irrelevant.

Without thought there is no meaning behind anything, it simply is (potentially debatable too).  A similar idea is echoed in Dao philosophy.



well said :thumbup:


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