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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18742988 - 08/22/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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that EVERYTHING  happens for a reason?




Everything happens due to a cause imo.  You may equate cause with reason.




That's a good point, going to have to rephrase my original statement to no. No reason that I know of.




But the way that phrase is used usually implies a master plan and a happy ending, I think.
I don't think people are trying to make a statement about causality when they say it.  It's more like, something shitty happens, but it was supposed to happen for the purpose of a life lesson or something.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: kennedy]
    #18742999 - 08/22/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the Disney version of causality is stupid. It leads people to believe that they are the main character in the TV Show of their life, which is narcissistic and insane. Causality is causality. If you stub your toe it's because you're a shit head and you should have been looking where you were going. If you win the lotto it's because the balls had the same numbers on them as the ones you picked.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: crumblebum]
    #18743023 - 08/22/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread title made Cher start singing in my head.


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Re: Do you believe... [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #18743140 - 08/22/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you believe... [Re: ClockCode]
    #18746570 - 08/23/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes.  It doesn't exactly answer the question of "is there a reason" behind any individual event.  But it does start to.

Humans cannot be described as the observable sum of their parts, we've found it to be inaccurate.  A brain is a system of "pieces" working together to create some quality not present in the pieces.  They create thoughts which attribute meaning and value and reason to things.

The pieces are our facticity.  They're our birthplace, age, height, skin tone.

Transcendence is the meaning you apply to the world around you with these thoughts.  It's the significance behind the stars being aligned a certain way when you're born.  It's the purpose behind Joe Smith's daughter surviving her childhood flu.  We create a reason or cause behind things when in truth it's just the grand architecture of the universe working through a series of indescribably complex and overlapping instances.  Physicists apply meaning with science, priests apply it with religion, politicians apply it with diplomacy.

We are free to choose the meaning and reasons behind our lives.  One day I found that currency held minimal meaning to me, though I still need some it is no longer a motivator as it is for some others.  I also decided not to believe God was the reason behind everything, and formulated my own beliefs.  The scale is irrelevant.

Without thought there is no meaning behind anything, it simply is (potentially debatable too).  A similar idea is echoed in Dao philosophy.



well said :thumbup:


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