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Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up?
#18739890 - 08/21/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just looking for people's opinions/theories on why the world and history are like they are when the default human nature is "good" or most people you meet are good.
I personally think humanity has completely lost touch with God, which is consciousness. If we knew we were God, we would do a lot better for ourselves. There is also a lack of consciousness quality in society. People go for the mediocre and they don't explore other aspects of themselves and so live mediocre lives. Eventually a mediocre population is going to become sick of itself. Boredom makes for hostility, and crappy people make crappy parents, and crappy childhoods make serial killers, gangsters, etc.
Humanity is so, so sick. To kill another human being takes a very high level of mental illness, and it happens all the time. We are completely out of touch with our good nature.
What's your take?
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 1
#18739905 - 08/21/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: To kill another human being takes a very high level of mental illness, and it happens all the time. We are completely out of touch with our good nature.
What's your take?
I don't think it's mental illness necessarily that is required to kill another human being.
I think ignorance of perspective is another predeterminate to murder. and i think you summed that lack of perspective up in the sentence i underlined.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: memes] 1
#18739912 - 08/21/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Youre focusing on the wrong shtuff.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 3
#18739932 - 08/21/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because you're in a crappy mood or something, I dunno.
When has this world ever not been fucked up? It's a piece of dust from a dead star, bombarded constantly with solar and cosmic rays. The earth itself is in constant upheaval, struggling against itself as it pushes up new mountains and empties new oceans, hurdling through space at unimaginable speed. It's made of rarefied chaos. Order and stability were never the norm here.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 3
#18739945 - 08/21/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love this existence. You can pull it around like a weight around your neck, or you can dance through it.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes]
#18739972 - 08/21/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its not fucked up, this is how its supposed to be, its just how humans perceive things, nothing we think really matters, the fucked up things that you see happening are required in the big scale of things.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Chowder963]
#18740017 - 08/21/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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humans get put into positions..
humans are notorious for greed/power..
humans end up going for currency fucking everything up.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 2
#18740105 - 08/21/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: Just looking for people's opinions/theories on why the world and history are like they are when the default human nature is "good" or most people you meet are good.
Faulty assumption. I'd say there really is no default human nature--we have both the inclination to do good and the inclination to do evil and any attempt to analyze us that ignores either of these fundamental aspects of our character is flawed from the get-go. 
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Humanity is so, so sick. To kill another human being takes a very high level of mental illness, and it happens all the time. We are completely out of touch with our good nature.
Nah, actually murder is pretty damn natural. You just have to look at one of our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, the chimpanzees: they practice intertribal warfare, rape, torture (sometimes they flay other chimpanzees encroaching on their territory), and of course, murder. It's only recently that society has been somewhat successful at training us into thinking that murder in general is a bad thing... naturally, it's okay if the other human is wearing another country's uniform or is sitting on death row.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 3
#18740110 - 08/21/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Newsflash: It's always been fucked up.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes]
#18740139 - 08/21/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A million people a day realize the world is fucked.
Now what do you plan to do about it?
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: ClockCode] 3
#18740142 - 08/21/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I personally blame the homosexuals and anti-gun groups for ruining our freedoms with marijauana
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: indica] 3
#18740146 - 08/21/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I blame Obamacare.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Le_Canard]
#18740194 - 08/21/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Le_Canard]
#18740197 - 08/21/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Religion and borders
Money
And people being brought up in horrible conditions and enviroments
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Le_Canard]
#18740206 - 08/21/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: I blame Obamacare.
I blame austerity!
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 3
#18740226 - 08/21/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I blame the fact that I am currently not the sole world dictator. Clearly the world would cease to be so completely and totally fucked up if I were given absolute power over y'all puny mortals. 
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: deCypher] 1
#18740251 - 08/21/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I blame tulips and Jupiter's alignment on 9/11.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: deCypher] 1
#18740253 - 08/21/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because life is merely a trial of what works best for the future. Whether it be chemical replication of Protozoa through nitrogen amide chain reactions, or the quest for truth in religion, government, or education, THERE WILL BE MANY DEVASTATING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES through events in time.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: TwinEclipse]
#18740258 - 08/21/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is actually an intriguing post.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: TwinEclipse]
#18740340 - 08/21/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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TwinEclipse said: Because life is merely a trial of what works best for the future. Whether it be chemical replication of Protozoa through nitrogen amide chain reactions, or the quest for truth in religion, government, or education, THERE WILL BE MANY DEVASTATING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES through events in time.
In the end, we're each stuck in the cave of our minds, only to see the outlines of shadows of what lies outside.
Pretty trippy when you apply the principle of natural selection to ideas and concepts like capitalism or all of the other isms. I suppose what works best will survive and mutate into something more effective in future.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Unifloo]
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#18740641 - 08/22/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Le_Canard]
#18740650 - 08/22/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Newsflash: It's always been fucked up.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes]
#18740675 - 08/22/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#18740687 - 08/22/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Humans got immediately greedy, starting wars, pillaging etc.Over the simple fact of landownership and superiority.The leaders of countries throughout the ages have just used religion as a cover up for stealing land. At least that's my 2 cents
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Seriously_trippin] 2
#18740693 - 08/22/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Historically this is the calmest period in our history.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#18740704 - 08/22/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Historically this is the calmest period in our history.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#18740724 - 08/22/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We are animals.
Despite what we may try to ascend to, humanity as a whole behaves like any other organism.
We respond to stimuli in our environment.
It is nothing to kill.
Note that morality is conceptual. The world is amoral. It is neither inherently moral, nor inherently immoral.
Try Jared Diamonds books, he lays out a strong case for viewing human history from an environmental perspective and by environmental I do not mean green.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: thescientist]
#18740814 - 08/22/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A world full of peace would be kinda boring
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 1
#18740836 - 08/22/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: Just looking for people's opinions/theories on why the world and history are like they are when the default human nature is "good" or most people you meet are good.
I personally think humanity has completely lost touch with God, which is consciousness. If we knew we were God, we would do a lot better for ourselves. There is also a lack of consciousness quality in society. People go for the mediocre and they don't explore other aspects of themselves and so live mediocre lives. Eventually a mediocre population is going to become sick of itself. Boredom makes for hostility, and crappy people make crappy parents, and crappy childhoods make serial killers, gangsters, etc.
Humanity is so, so sick. To kill another human being takes a very high level of mental illness, and it happens all the time. We are completely out of touch with our good nature.
What's your take?
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes]
#18740871 - 08/22/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's constantly improving, would anyone here trade their life to go work in a Victorian cotton mill or to 'help' build the pyramids?
maybe we are getting royally fucked atm by big money, war greed and savage eco destruction but mentality is changing and things will begin to advance in a proper fashion.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: druqs]
#18740890 - 08/22/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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druqs said: it's constantly improving, would anyone here trade their life to go work in a Victorian cotton mill or to 'help' build the pyramids?
maybe we are getting royally fucked atm by big money, war greed and savage eco destruction but mentality is changing and things will begin to advance in a proper fashion.
That's kind of bias. There are plenty of cool jobs from that period. Could also grow all the weed you wanted.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born] 1
#18740958 - 08/22/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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okay, go have fun dying from a botched kidney stone operation at age 25.
my point was we live in better times, yeh maybe cool jobs did exist back then but even more exciting jobs exist now.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 1
#18740971 - 08/22/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: Just looking for people's opinions/theories on why the world and history are like they are when the default human nature is "good" or most people you meet are good.
I personally think humanity has completely lost touch with God, which is consciousness. If we knew we were God, we would do a lot better for ourselves. There is also a lack of consciousness quality in society. People go for the mediocre and they don't explore other aspects of themselves and so live mediocre lives. Eventually a mediocre population is going to become sick of itself. Boredom makes for hostility, and crappy people make crappy parents, and crappy childhoods make serial killers, gangsters, etc.
Humanity is so, so sick. To kill another human being takes a very high level of mental illness, and it happens all the time. We are completely out of touch with our good nature.
What's your take?
You know you could have just said lost touched with consciousness instead of mucking your whole point up with God. However, with that said, the earth is fuckin' great and humanity has literally never been better. It is the best time to be alive and although I will say humanity has its problems, I couldn't disagree with you more.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: druqs]
#18740972 - 08/22/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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druqs said: okay, go have fun dying from a botched kidney stone operation at age 25.
my point was we live in better times, yeh maybe cool jobs did exist back then but even more exciting jobs exist now.
haha weed blaze it 420, yes grow all the weed you want. 
Lack of medical expertise wasn't stipulated in the overtones of your suggestion. Playing it to your advantage now is just frivolous. Also would imply the future is always better...your logic makes me sick
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes] 3
#18740991 - 08/22/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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1 in 25 people is a sociopath, a person who's conscience is severely eroded or absent. These people typically have little or no defense against the Dark Side that exists in all of us because they dont recognize it as such or dont mind it. As a consequence their dark side rules many of them for most of the time.
With sociopaths people tend to think of the maladjusted ones, but a large percentage are quite adjusted and permeate most forms of leadership in all the world since time immemorial
We are led, not by the best of us, but by the worst of us, the ones indifferent to suffering of others or even fond of it. Business, govenment, law enforcement, the military, they're saturated with these people who are oblivious, inert or defiant of the moralities of being human.
They are wolves in sheeps clothing, intraspecies predators. They are the fox in the chicken coop of mankind.
APD
We used to call em in leage with satan, then we called them psychopaths, now the more sanitized "antisocial personality disorder" but its the same people, and its one in every twenty five of us. You met a number of em in your life and several of them are reading this.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Asante]
#18741000 - 08/22/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We must find a way to round up all the sociopaths in some sort of camp and kill em all!
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born]
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druqs said: okay, go have fun dying from a botched kidney stone operation at age 25.
my point was we live in better times, yeh maybe cool jobs did exist back then but even more exciting jobs exist now.
haha weed blaze it 420, yes grow all the weed you want. 
Lack of medical expertise wasn't stipulated in the overtones of your suggestion. Playing it to your advantage now is just frivolous. Also would imply the future is always better...your logic makes me sick
why would i have to expressly point out something that is common knowledge?
of course modern medicine is far superior than 100 years ago, so in terms of health, things improve with time.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: druqs]
#18741030 - 08/22/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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druqs said:
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Fire is Born said:
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druqs said: okay, go have fun dying from a botched kidney stone operation at age 25.
my point was we live in better times, yeh maybe cool jobs did exist back then but even more exciting jobs exist now.
haha weed blaze it 420, yes grow all the weed you want. 
Lack of medical expertise wasn't stipulated in the overtones of your suggestion. Playing it to your advantage now is just frivolous. Also would imply the future is always better...your logic makes me sick
why would i have to expressly point out something that is common knowledge?
of course modern medicine is far superior than 100 years ago, so in terms of health, things improve with time.
Because it wasn't the point being refuted silly. Not necessarily. Who knows what antibiotic resistant strains and retro viruses await us. Genetic manipulation could cause all sorts of problems. There is now a strain of gonhorhea that is impervious to all antibiotics. Not to mention modern diet and pollution being a major contributor to health problems. ...since we're getting pedantic
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18741047 - 08/22/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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okay my initial point you disagree with is that things are improving, yes?
one aspect of life, is work.
i gave examples of points in history where i personally would not be as satisfied with the employment options available to me, you disagree, because there are 'cool jobs' from 'that' period in history (no examples given)
care to elaborate as to why you think things are going downhill?
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: druqs]
#18741115 - 08/22/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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druqs said: okay my initial point you disagree with is that things are improving, yes?
one aspect of life, is work.
i gave examples of points in history where i personally would not be as satisfied with the employment options available to me, you disagree, because there are 'cool jobs' from 'that' period in history (no examples given)
care to elaborate as to why you think things are going downhill?
No...that's not the case. You emplored a victorian mill as an example of why the past was shitter than the future. I found that a little bias as there are many pros to the past as well as cons. I was merely pointing this out. Just a balanced view on a point I felt you were a little vague on. Thats what I do. People's mistakes are my carrion and im a pedantic and cynical buzzard....kakawwww
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born]
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druqs said: okay my initial point you disagree with is that things are improving, yes?
one aspect of life, is work.
i gave examples of points in history where i personally would not be as satisfied with the employment options available to me, you disagree, because there are 'cool jobs' from 'that' period in history (no examples given)
care to elaborate as to why you think things are going downhill?
No...that's not the case. You emplored a victorian mill as an example of why the past was shitter than the future. I found that a little bias as there are many pros to the past as well as cons. I was merely pointing this out. Just a balanced view on a point I felt you were a little vague on. Thats what I do. People's mistakes are my carrion and im a pedantic and cynical buzzard....kakawwww
i didn't make a mistake, you just jumped on something i said without backing up your point.
Of course there are Pros to the past but they are far outweighed by the Cons, HENCE my initial point.
You are either confused or just an itchy troll.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: druqs]
#18741298 - 08/22/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you don't think you were a little bias in your representation. ....troll? Don't flatter yourself. My points was...not everything in the past sucked and is surpassed by modern day. You need proof to believe this. I can offer "back up" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be so simple as to need it
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born] 2
#18741312 - 08/22/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's only 44 wars going on in the world as we speak. It's a historical low for this planet. Shit is getting better.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Patlal]
#18741320 - 08/22/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: There's only 44 wars going on in the world as we speak. It's a historical low for this planet. Shit is getting better.

People are growing more intelligent and compassionate by the generation. Read the Bible and you'll find some fucked-up shit.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Patlal]
#18741321 - 08/22/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The number of wars occurring at the moment is not a good indicator of our world's health. It's one indicator of probably dozens.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: ClockCode]
#18741376 - 08/22/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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its quit simple. Its all because of the MONEY, capitalism & the egoist people that we all became cause of those.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18741466 - 08/22/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fire is Born said: So you don't think you were a little bias in your representation. ....troll? Don't flatter yourself. My points was...not everything in the past sucked and is surpassed by modern day. You need proof to believe this. I can offer "back up" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be so simple as to need it
what game are you trying to play here?
my point was that things are improving, valid.
You called bias because i didn't go through all history and point out times when things might have been preferable.
so it is you who is desperate for mountains of unnecessary proof.
never once did i say that all things are better now, go back and read my initial post, you will see your point is covered in it.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: druqs]
#18741529 - 08/22/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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druqs said:
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Fire is Born said: So you don't think you were a little bias in your representation. ....troll? Don't flatter yourself. My points was...not everything in the past sucked and is surpassed by modern day. You need proof to believe this. I can offer "back up" if you wish. I didn't think you'd be so simple as to need it
what game are you trying to play here?
my point was that things are improving, valid.
You called bias because i didn't go through all history and point out times when things might have been preferable.
so it is you who is desperate for mountains of unnecessary proof.
never once did i say that all things are better now, go back and read my initial post, you will see your point is covered in it.
Uh...I asked for no proof nor am I saying you are wrong..
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18741541 - 08/22/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The world is getting better for who exactly? We are polluting and destroying entire ecosystems at an alarming rate. Am I to understand that the world getting better really means....less war crime and violence to other humans?
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18741579 - 08/22/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fire is Born said: The world is getting better for who exactly? We are polluting and destroying entire ecosystems at an alarming rate. Am I to understand that the world getting better really means....less war crime and violence to other humans?
There is alot of technology on the rise out there that are definitely promising. Technology that would make very very good use of ambient energy from the sun, such as solar paneling on all surfaces of a house, and the ability to share excess energy amongst neighbors. Kinetic sidewalks that generate energy by large numbers of people stepping on them, which would be awesomely useful in New York.
It's only a matter of time, there are alot of geniuses out there.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Thisfire]
#18741730 - 08/22/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The world is better in some ways, worse in others. Etc etc.
But I blame most of the bad shit on 'Internet Brain Shrink.'
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: OldHam]
#18741856 - 08/22/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I betcha some people felt the same way about the printing press when it was first made. The printing press allowed for massive amounts of garbage to be made, when traditionally, garbage was hand made with care, each piece of trash being unique.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Apollyphelion]
#18741870 - 08/22/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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An old, old argument. The printing press didn't literally shrink the decision making part of your brain.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: circastes]
#18741879 - 08/22/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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watch "2001: a space odyssey" and it makes a little more sense
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: claraclairvoyant]
#18741900 - 08/22/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I love this existence. You can pull it around like a weight around your neck, or you can dance through it.
Agreed but I can sympathize with the OP. in fact I think the problem is that others DON'T love this existence. They don't see the beauty in the diversity and self expression of nature. Rather they see things only in categories and like to box up as many categories inside each other as they can and take that with a sense of pride. I think everyone needs to read The Sneetches. The only thing "fucked up" about us is that we don't take advantage of the possibility for unlimited creative potential in the human race
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#18741915 - 08/22/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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When 9/11 happened, I was living in a squat in Portland and didn't even know for about 3 days. Was blissfully happy and introvertedly unaware. This ground breaking, world changing event. Probably I could have lived until now...know not knowing it happened and be none the more miserable.
So much of what we feel are these mental architectures or 'screens' we view the world through, etc etc.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: OldHam] 1
#18741934 - 08/22/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personally, I blame George W. Bush for our lack of godliness.
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Re: Why is the world currently and historically completely fucked up? [Re: Unifloo]
#18743278 - 08/22/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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TwinEclipse said: Because life is merely a trial of what works best for the future. Whether it be chemical replication of Protozoa through nitrogen amide chain reactions, or the quest for truth in religion, government, or education, THERE WILL BE MANY DEVASTATING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES through events in time.
In the end, we're each stuck in the cave of our minds, only to see the outlines of shadows of what lies outside.
Pretty trippy when you apply the principle of natural selection to ideas and concepts like capitalism or all of the other isms. I suppose what works best will survive and mutate into something more effective in future.
I think maybe its more the lack of natural selection... we're in a society where when an institution is wrong, said institution will do everything in its power to keep those wrongs in practice for fear of the consequences. Nobody in a position of power wants to admit they are wrong because they will, hopefully, be removed from that position. Acceptance is the first step in reformation. If you don't correct ppl when they are wrong they will continue to be wrong.
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