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Boletes in the hood
    #18738551 - 08/21/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Never have access to computers to actually post pics. But I had to post this!

So check this out. Correct me if I am wrong but Boletes are mycorrhizal ?
Well my folks live in this old ass house, it used to be a jam factory in the late 1800's.
So it hasnt been a forest here in a long long time.

So I was happily surprised to see this gorgueus blue staining Bolete growing in hard compacted gravel , in between the house and paving stone!! :lol:
I have actually seen a Scelroderma sp. growing in this exact spot in years past.

So do you think maybe mycorrhizal species are not completely wiped out when land is cleared? There are a few big cedar and a mid aged fir on the property. But not even close to the fruiting. But they must still be connected ? There is a massive rhoddo very close by but I wasnt aware Boletes were associated with rhoddos.

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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #18738767 - 08/21/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty cool. I think some mycorrhizal mushrooms have saprobic stages of their lives, but I don't really know. I think symbiotic fungal relationships comprise one of the coolest and most important avenues of scientific research, yet I know next to nothing about them:lol:.

I spent all spring speculating out loud about the relationship between unhealthy Ulmus and Morchella. There are lots of opinions out there about soil acidity, chemical signals from the tree, biological precognition by the fungus, etc. then Britt Bunyard tells me that the Morchella mycelium is transported into the elm by way of a specialized sack on the body of a beetle that is injuring the tree! So now we've got Morchella species that are saprobes, some that are mycorrhizal and some that are symbiotic with specific insect species... It's getting harder and harder to hang a sign on any of these organisms.


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: Gravija]
    #18738779 - 08/21/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I see some dried out leaves on the ground, what did they come from?  No trees nearby at all?  Even across the street?


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: Byrain]
    #18738794 - 08/21/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: I swept some dried up leaves out of my basement last week. No idea how they got there. Doesn't current research indicate that mycorrhizal networks are limited to the heighth of the tree transposed on the ground?


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #18738909 - 08/21/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty badass...how big is it?

Boletes are mycorrhizal. As long as there are tree roots underground, they can sprout up. The idea with the mycorrhizal relationship is that the mycelium wraps around tree roots, acting like little extra roots that reach out much farther than the tree's roots to absorb more water and nutrients for the tree to use, while the tree roots provide the mycelium with food/sugars. The mycelial networks can be HUGE, too. Boletes are normally associated with conifers or oaks, so yer spruce trees are probably the hosts. Or it could be the tree that left its leaves around the mushroom in the picture...

Oh yeah, you can try to escape the shroom, but resistance is futile...they're persistent little fucks. Apparently even covering the place in gravel doesn't keep them out. :lol:

I'm going to have to look at that beast when I get home. I see it's got two little friends attached. Did you get a spore print?


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #18738947 - 08/21/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Apparently there are dozens of Boletes with Rhododendron relationships.


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: Gravija]
    #18739148 - 08/21/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Doesn't current research indicate that mycorrhizal networks are limited to the heighth of the tree transposed on the ground?




I've been told its roughly twice the height of the tree, but I guess really it depends how far the roots extend and that probably can vary.


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: Byrain]
    #18739174 - 08/21/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I bet there is a cumulative effect too if there is more than one tree involved in the network. I need to dig up literature on this. I wonder if I could convince Desjardin or Ammirati or somebody to share their syllabi or what textbooks they use...


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #18740435 - 08/22/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Gravija said:
That's pretty cool. I think some mycorrhizal mushrooms have saprobic stages of their lives, but I don't really know. I think symbiotic fungal relationships comprise one of the coolest and most important avenues of scientific research, yet I know next to nothing about them:lol:.

I spent all spring speculating out loud about the relationship between unhealthy Ulmus and Morchella. There are lots of opinions out there about soil acidity, chemical signals from the tree, biological precognition by the fungus, etc. then Britt Bunyard tells me that the Morchella mycelium is transported into the elm by way of a specialized sack on the body of a beetle that is injuring the tree! So now we've got Morchella species that are saprobes, some that are mycorrhizal and some that are symbiotic with specific insect species... It's getting harder and harder to hang a sign on any of these organisms.




What!! That's nutty! This never gets dull does it!!
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I see some dried out leaves on the ground, what did they come from?  No trees nearby at all?  Even across the street?



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Yes there is a weeping willow, purple plum, magnolia , holly and a dogwood . For some reason I associate Boletes around here with conifers since that's where I see them but I see that's wrong.
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That's pretty badass...how big is it?

Boletes are mycorrhizal. As long as there are tree roots underground, they can sprout up. The idea with the mycorrhizal relationship is that the mycelium wraps around tree roots, acting like little extra roots that reach out much farther than the tree's roots to absorb more water and nutrients for the tree to use, while the tree roots provide the mycelium with food/sugars. The mycelial networks can be HUGE, too. Boletes are normally associated with conifers or oaks, so yer spruce trees are probably the hosts. Or it could be the tree that left its leaves around the mushroom in the picture...

Oh yeah, you can try to escape the shroom, but resistance is futile...they're persistent little fucks. Apparently even covering the place in gravel doesn't keep them out. :lol:

I'm going to have to look at that beast when I get home. I see it's got two little friends attached. Did you get a spore print?




You know what I didn't print it for some reason. I really should have since I have yet yo scope a Boletes.


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Re: Boletes in the hood [Re: Gravija]
    #18740451 - 08/22/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Gravija said:
Apparently there are dozens of Boletes with Rhododendron relationships.



That is so cool buddy!! I have never heard of that! :smile:
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Doesn't current research indicate that mycorrhizal networks are limited to the heighth of the tree transposed on the ground?




I've been told its roughly twice the height of the tree, but I guess really it depends how far the roots extend and that probably can vary.



That explains how this fruited so far away from any tree . The house must have shitloads of roots all.under it!


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