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Help with Polypore Identification
#18738289 - 08/21/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello,
Looking for Help ID'ing these.
They were both found on Conifers in the same area in Western MA.
I am pretty sure the one on the left is Ganoderma Applanatum. (Artist Conk) because it bruises dark brown.
But The one on the right bruises a very faint pale yellow.
They both smell different, but I cant describe the smell.

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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18738383 - 08/21/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like Ganoderma applanatum.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
#18738787 - 08/21/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you for your reply, The two on the right and the two on the left are different mushrooms. Are you saying that the ones on the right are Ganoderma Applanatum? Because I thought the ones are the left were..
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18738804 - 08/21/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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They are both G. applanatum. The ones on the left have an abused pore surface.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Gravija]
#18738869 - 08/21/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The ones with the abused pore surface were pure white when I picked them. They got bruised up in the bag. The ones on the right will not bruise. That is what is throwing me off.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18738884 - 08/21/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh. They are probably Fomitopsis then. Come to think of it, the zones are too thick and irregular for Ganoderma. Good call!
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Gravija]
#18739022 - 08/21/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I looked these up, but I am not sure. Cant seem to get that much info on some of them. Have been trying to ID this species for quite a while.
Fomitopsis cajanderi Fomitopsis palustris Fomitopsis pinicola Fomitopsis rosea Fomitopsis spraguei Fomitopsis supina
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18739057 - 08/21/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just cut one in half so we could see the pores. Defiantly not a Ganoderma. I am so stumped, nothing like this in any of my books. Polypores are not supposed to be hard!! 
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18739166 - 08/21/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeh, the ones on the right are G. applanatum. Odd that the pore surface won't discolor, every fresh one I've ever had bruised brown very easily. The artist conk has some medicinal qualities.
But on the left... Not Fomitopsis pinicola...
Unless someone who knows happens along, your best bet is to keep researching the other Ganodermas and narrow it down. I don't think it's a Fomitopsis but other than pinicola I don't know the genus.
Oh, maybe try here: http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?guide=Mushroom_Observer_species
Check Ganodermataceae in the alphabetical listing on the lower right pane, that will pull up lotsa stuff in the left menu, scroll down and you'll see all the Ganoderma species, when clicked that info pops up in the right pane.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18739175 - 08/21/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do you say definitely not a ganoderma? Not challenging your conclusion, would like to know markers...
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18739207 - 08/21/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18739212 - 08/21/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry, Meant "not G, Applanatum"
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18739254 - 08/21/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I looked at all of the Ganoderma, Fomes and Fomitopsis at MO, I dunno.
The problem is the polypores are so variable. Some of the pics up over there for F. pinicola sho' don't look like it to me...
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18739283 - 08/21/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the resources fry day, I will definitely read through those links! 
Here are some more pics of the polypore in question.
    
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18739465 - 08/21/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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fry day said: Fomes
Oh yeah I SUCK at brackets. suspect I always will cuz they are boring as fuck
what do you think about Fomes fomentarius?
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Gravija]
#18739552 - 08/21/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, ok just a google image search of fomitopsis yielded some stuff very like what you're looking at, called Laricifomes Officianalis. It also grows on conifers.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Gravija]
#18739579 - 08/21/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't think it's F. fomentarius, I think they're more hooflike.
It's the smooth tops of those two that have me stumped. And I don't think I've seen artist conk weep drops, but the F. pinicola do that...
Obsessed, were these all on the same tree? Do you know what kind of tree? The one with the weeping looks like a big ol' pine but I suck at bark. Did you look at the ref for Ganoderma resinaceum?
I like the conks for some reason... But always frustrated by the variability.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18739603 - 08/21/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_Stamets_with_Agarikon.jpg
Check it out, Stamets looks like he's about to fall down and make love to that thing. LOL.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Gravija]
#18739643 - 08/21/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Oh. They are probably Fomitopsis then. Come to think of it, the zones are too thick and irregular for Ganoderma. Good call!
i donno man ganoderma seems like a better guess than formitopsis in my opinion . that first set of pics just convinces me.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: serratedlips]
#18740989 - 08/22/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is defiantly not F. Fomentarius, I have been collecting that for years. Fomentarius makes an awesome tea.
I hope its Laricifomes Officianalis, that mushroom is awesome, but then I would feel bad for harvesting it, as it can live to a thousand years or something. I recently watched a this youtube video, its Paul Stamets at TED, talking about a few different mushrooms.
Fomitopsis pinicola From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fomitopsis pinicola, in English sometimes known as Red Banded Polypore, is a polypore mushroom of the genus Fomitopsis. The species is common throughout the temperate Northern hemisphere. An alternative binomial name is Fomes pinicola.
Cap hoof-shaped or triangular, hard and tough texture, up to 30-40 x 25 x 10 cm. Surface is more or less smooth, at first orange-yellow with a white margin, later dark reddish to brown and then frequently with orange margin. Pore surface pale yellow to leather-brown, 3-4 pores per mm. Grows on live and dead coniferous or (less common) deciduous trees.
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Fomitopsis pinicola looks really cool, but I don't think its it because of the coloring. I have never seen any orange-yellow or dark reddish to brown.
These were all on the same tree, but I have seen these quite often in the past around the same area. The tree was dead and had no needles, I am not very good with bark either 
As for Ganoderma Resinaceum, I am not sure, the "Cut in half, Side view" of G. Resinaceum show similar pore growth and color as F. Fomentarius, or G. Applanatum.
But this one has cream colored pores and the weep drops.
By the way, I greatly appreciate all of your help.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18742889 - 08/22/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeh, I didn't bother to look up the vid, but I thought that was the fungus that stamets was waxing poetic about when I saw the pic. (Laricifomes Officianalis)
I don't think it is, tho'.
So, the tinder fungus makes a good tea? I don't know it as one of the more medicinal conks... Reishi, red belted, artist...
What does it taste like and how do you prepare it? I've got lotsa red belted and artist dried but have been a little leery of making tea, just need to hear it tastes good or at least not gagging bitter...
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18754643 - 08/25/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't tried the red belted or artist Tea yet. But Fomentarius tea tastes excellent. I give it a few good wacks with a sludge hammer then break it apart into small pieces and put it into my Vitamix. Blend it into a dry pulp. The tea is a lot stronger this way and you dont have to boil it for very long... like 5 min. I like to make a hot or cold milk tea with it and sweeten with honey or sugar.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: obsessed]
#18755075 - 08/25/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good to know. I'd concocted some tea from F. pinicola, ground in the coffee grinder, dried calendula and dried red clover. It was horribly bitter. Later I read that calendula can be bitter if you use older flowers, so maybe that was it.
The F. pinicola fluffed up incredibly when ground. Looked like great tinder. Prolly should just try one ingredient at a time. Put me off the whole gig for awhile. ;-)
I found some conk similar to the ones on the left, pics are in this thread, conks #5. The tops were covered with a fine redbrown dust, probably from some earth work in the park. Check those out and see if you think they look similar:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18752443
They look like pics of artist conk I've seen, tho' the other stuff I've gathered here is lumpier and more striated like the two on the right. And no weeping drops... They exhibited the classic underside of artist when scratched.
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18755309 - 08/25/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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fry day said: The tops were covered with a fine redbrown dust, probably from some earth work in the park.
Probably spores
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Forrester]
#18755365 - 08/25/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah, there was nothing above to sporify on 'em. The ivy leaves were coated with it also. It looked like they'd stirred up a bunch of dust there on the trail awhile back. It was a bit odd that it wasn't on EVERYTHING.
And I tried printing the one I took... Nada. This stuff was fine, red-brown and prolific in that small location. Could be something from ivy...
-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: fry day]
#18755659 - 08/25/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Conks create a thermal uplift with their shape. The spores accumulate on top of the mushroom.
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Re: Help with Polypore Identification [Re: Gravija]
#18755842 - 08/25/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats." "The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."
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