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What is your religion?
    #18732018 - 08/20/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

When I was in junior kindergarten to grade one, I was a firm believer in God, Jesus, etc... as I went to Catholic school. When I left Catholic school and started attending Public school, I began to think for myself and develop a more critical view of the world.

For many years I denied the existence of God, discovered science and rational arguments against "his" existence.

When I started using drugs, my beliefs scattered and jumped from many different ideals. For a long time I believed that we are a product of evolution, a mere extension of Nature's cycling processes. When we die, we die... and return to the earth as particles to be recycled into other things. We have no soul, and our consciousness is a result of our advanced nervous system.

This view went along with "Satanism", which I checked off in the poll. I am not actually a Satanist, but I would say that the views held within this belief-system correspond nicely with my own views. That is; We are our own gods. We should strive to expand our knowledge and power as long as we live. Not everyone is equal. Nature is "God", and we are the highest consciousness (that we know of).

The 9 sins: Stupidity, Self-deceit, Pretentiousness, Solipsism, Herd Conformity, Lack of Perspective, Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies, Counterproductive Pride, Lack of Aesthetics. These are all traits (barring the last one) that I try very hard to work against, which is one of the main reasons I checked the box in the poll.

Interestingly enough, I have legitimately prayed to God and have received certain things in return. On the other hand, I have tested and taunted "him" into (possibly) doing negative things to me and my body. This could be coincidence, but it has happened several times nonetheless.

I have had many outer-body experiences both sober, and under the influence. I have practiced the art of forced outer-body experiences, but the following were out of my control. I will describe to you two incidences in which I was utterly baffled by what I had experienced.

The first happened to me several winters ago, as I had lay down in my bed to go to sleep. Out of nowhere I began feeling this strange buzzing or tingling throughout my entire body, including the inside of my head (which was quite unsettling). Immediately, I was shifted out of my body, staring myself in the eyes at a distance of about 15-20 feet in front of, and above, in a diagonal fashion. This lasted for a few seconds, at which point I began accelerating backwards through the walls and roof of my house, accelerating faster and faster with every moment. racing out of Earth's atmosphere, out of the solar system, out of the Milky Way, and beyond everything that exists (or so I thought).
So there I was, floating in a dark abyss, staring at two gargantuan spheres at an incomprehensible distance from my being. These two spheres, which were very close to touching one another seemed to have a metallic sheen to them as if looking at a bubble of air under water. I had no idea what I was looking at and decided to ask a question. I did not "vocalize" this question, but rather thought it.
"What is this?"
Immediately I got a response from a very large voice behind me, which I could not see.
"The sphere on the right is your universe, this is everything that exists."
I was completely shocked that I got a response, and frankly quite terrified. This didn't seem right to me, so I said:
"If that's everything that exists, where are we?"
At that moment I accelerated to an extremely high speed in a very short period of time, back into the universe, galaxy, etc. until I was thrust back into body. I remember opening my eyes and taking a huge gasp of air, not being able to sleep all night or the next night, and feeling utterly sick and achy the entire time.

My second experience was a Salvia Divinorum induced trip. I was at my buddy's apartment in Sarnia, ON, and he had recently purchased a very nice 2 foot ROOR bong. Straight pipe, no perks.
I packed a very large bowl of Salvia, and began to brew. Half way through the brew, my buddy asks:
"Do you mind if I film this so you can see it afterwards?"
I nodded in affirmation as I was finishing the bowl. I inhaled the smoke and held it in for a couple seconds. As I did this, my friend's face began straying away into the top right corner of my vision, accompanied by a reddish rippling veil reminiscent of the "Looney Toons" end credits.
Time began to slow as I turned my head to my left. By the time I was looking as left as I could, time had completely stopped. I don't remember transitioning to it, but suddenly I was no longer in this realm. A white infinity with light blue glowing being stand before me, thousands of them. One of the beings was standing slightly ahead of the massive crowd, obviously there to greet me. Completely shocked, I said:
"What is this?"
The being responded to me by transferring his words into my consciousness, as I was no longer in a physical body.
"This is reality, 'that' is a simulation."
I looked behind me only to see a massive white wall, extending in every direction infinitely. It was clear to me that I had just come out of this wall to get to where I was. I did not enjoy the idea that my entire life had been a simulation and began feeling very scared and angry, and so, I walked back into the wall. The video shows me simply sitting, staring ahead, eyes wide the entire time.

Recently I have decided that no matter what it is you believe religiously, it does not matter. My experiences are my own, and there's no way any of you could understand what that's like, and the same goes for everyone else. The only truth in religion is that they cannot be proved or disproved.
However, I do have a bit of hope now for the idea that we ARE in a simulation, and when we die, we will experience what I experienced; come out of the infinite white wall, become an ethereal being of light, and be able to jump back into another "life simulation". I guess you could say I am hopeful for reincarnation.

That is all, thanks for reading.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #18732054 - 08/20/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I feel the same way.  Each persons experience is unique and cannot be fully grokked by another.  One size does not fit all.  This is why I hold no definite opinions on things like god, soul, religion, spirituality, etc.  I have my suspicions due to lots of experience and observation but that hardly convinces me of anything as a surety.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18732251 - 08/20/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I was never brainwashed by Christianity or any other dogmatic organizations.
My first realization of what religion was, and the concept of 'god' happened around age 4.
My personal beliefs have remained basically the same since then.

I accept that nothing is fact, there is and never will be a way to confirm a religion.
I accept that religion is a creation of man. I will just follow my passions.
No set of beliefs or rules are necessary to know what is right and wrong.
I will only put weight on my own ideas and theories of religion.

So I guess my religion is what's in my own mind, although I cherish my planet.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #18732533 - 08/20/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think the way it works in life is the more you experience, the less you can really have an opinion on anything. But if you really get it going right for yourself, everything is intricately amazing. And so if it's so amazing, what is there to be negative about? Afterlife, suffering, destiny of man, meaning of life... you get so fulfilled by having an open, vulnerable mind which you use to inform yourself about life, that you can no longer worry about what has happened or where it will all end up. Even the most intense sufferings, these are logically overridden as making life 'bad' because the depth and profundity of what is happening removes any doubt about it all ending up alright.

And it's quite a feeling, to know, whatever happens, this is going to work out just fine. Even if we have to die in a war or starve to death or get eaten by a hyena alive, you know, this is only scary stuff because we ultimately have no grounding, no sense of what is occurring and the cultural assumptions about what is occurring make it seem pretty unlikely we mean anything at all. But we do mean something, this is all going somewhere, it is the strangest, most fascinating little circumstance and if you really trust yourself you will experience this in its authenticity, as in, it's no hope or projection, or opinion; we ARE actually caught in some conundrum.

"The world is not only stranger than we suppose, it's stranger than we can suppose." -some quantum physicist


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: circastes]
    #18732589 - 08/20/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure you speak from experience having had all the intense sufferings of humanity.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18732636 - 08/20/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

But whatever happens to the body, it is an illusion... it's no different from a dream. This is my understanding.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: circastes]
    #18732660 - 08/20/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Your "understanding" would likely be much different then your experience.  :nicesmile:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Fryer Mike]
    #18734932 - 08/20/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I have a similar hope, based on my own experience of an effulgent infinitude of Clear Light and Unbearable Compassion in which 'I' was absent. No name, thoughts, memories, senses, just THAT. Ecstatic. Timeless. But, I do not want to come back for more rounds. Call me an Arhat, I'm just not a Bodhisattva. I vow to help those whom I can in this incarnation, but enough already.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18736051 - 08/21/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I took Buddhist refuge and so am a Buddhist. I did it for two reasons - the first being the valuation of all of life as worthy of preservation which only Buddhism and Jainism observe, amongst all relgions on Earth.  And also, to be able to call myself something since if I told people I was a Shakta-tantric it wouldn't carry much amongst the redneck population.

Inside I am combination Hindu-Buddhist and follower of Sri Vidya practice. I didn't become Hindu because Hindus do crazy shit like mass slaughtering Muslims and Buddhists. Though I do love India and Hinduism.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18736220 - 08/21/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:
I have a similar hope, based on my own experience of an effulgent infinitude of Clear Light and Unbearable Compassion in which 'I' was absent. No name, thoughts, memories, senses, just THAT. Ecstatic. Timeless. But, I do not want to come back for more rounds. Call me an Arhat, I'm just not a Bodhisattva. I vow to help those whom I can in this incarnation, but enough already.



:thumbup:

I however suspect that while the "you" will be gone that will change nothing overall. The experience of this will continue unabated. If ultimately this is all consciousness there is no escape. Consciousness will continue to experience chaos.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18737278 - 08/21/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't doubt that in certain extremes I would probably just scream and freak out, but first of all this is not because life is evil, it's because there is a food chain, and maybe hyenas would fuck me up but they are just these strange, fascinating natural creatures that need to eat. If you look at Nature with a clear, healthy consciousness the thing is astounding. Anything it does therefore is just as reverent, even if it involves intense suffering. Furthermore the suffering humans endure is due to stupidity primarily, and bad luck in the case of disease. This isn't a bad situation we're in.

But only one thing is real and that is God. Everything else is merely an appearance. It doesn't mean it's not going to hurt, but it means the pain does not matter. That makes a big difference. Have you experienced pain in dreams? It's the same but you just don't see it as real, and it makes a big difference in your experience of it. If I knew all pain was an illusion I would be able to take any amount of it. Anyone would. It's not being tough, it's just an experience like anything else.

I just don't think we should be afraid. Of anything, ever. This circumstance is looking very, very positive from my POV.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: circastes]
    #18737589 - 08/21/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If pain does not matter than love does not matter.  And you don't even know if there is a god, or what that god is if there is one and if it gives a shit. 

So you don't think we "should" be afraid.  You have no concept of how much we are protected by our culture living at home with mommy and daddy and our meds.  Were one dropped off in the wilderness with real predators without that protection they'd likely  shit their pants by nightfall and maybe find out that  fear is the only friend they have in that situation.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18737681 - 08/21/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I would just become like Rambo on instinct, it's okay.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: circastes]
    #18737687 - 08/21/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

oh


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18737839 - 08/21/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why you "screwed" Icelander?
Someone drop you into the wilderness?


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #18737923 - 08/21/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I took survival desert training.  I feel very comfortable in wilderness compared to most folk. I have the confidence and training to know the difference between what I know and what I imagine I know.  I've found that to be a rare thing.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18738067 - 08/21/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Not to boast or sound like a total bad ass (even though this is what's about to happen)

But Sunday I hiked 31 miles, off trail. Took from 8am to 11pm, the last 6ish miles of the hike, with nothing but dim moonlight I waded through swamps and flooded areas.
The guy with me kind of lost his mind due to snakes and gators and darkness, and the usual, but this was the happiest day of my life.
It was neat to watch his attitude and body language change as the sun descended further and further. I imagine this would happen to most and most would succomb to panic.
But I've been lost and fearful so many times that I realized it doesn't really change anything.
I have some survival accolades as well and can identify hundreds of edible fungi and even more edible weeds/plants (eattheweeds.com is awesome).

So when it comes to fear, I think its best to pair it with common sense.
Fear can fuck you and it can save you, know when to use it and know when to overcome it.
For instance if a lion was coming towards you, fear says run, but the best option IMO, is to start running towards the lion.

I wish someone would drop me into the wilderness, would save me some gas money.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #18738092 - 08/21/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

True, one can learn how to use fear.

your adventure sounds like real fun.  The desert is my home and I'd likely be nervous in your territory until I got used to it.


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: Icelander]
    #18738406 - 08/21/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds awesome Timethyl!


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Re: What is your religion? [Re: circastes]
    #18738785 - 08/21/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It was my best day.
Here are some pics, not me in the first pic, it's the guy I took with me.
I don't have any pics of myself because I'm always behind the camera, and I like to upkeep my mysterious facade. :tongue2:






















^ This, is my religion.



Icelander, I think the basic of survival remain the same through each environment, but both of our biggest problems would be humidity. I've never even stepped foot in a desert.
I am accustom to extremely high humidity, and you are accustom to aridity. It would take time for us to adjust, but I'll do a naked survival with you any day. :awesomenod:


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