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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18737982 - 08/21/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I have an injury to my chest that leaves me vulnerable to great injury or death if a situation ever arouse
Because of my physical condition any threat towards me becomes much more urgent and potentially devastating and is why I am morally sound in this approach.

I can't risk fist fights, being push or wrestling and i wont.





martial arts is not for you, buy a bulletproof vest. if you learn kung fu,
you're going to be hit, a lot. buy a bulletproof vest, get the trauma plate
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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18738045 - 08/21/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Since you are super vunerable I wouldn't suggest getting into the whole contact side of things. Just get a gun, those are about as precise and lethal as it gets  :shrug:


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18738054 - 08/21/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Also Krav Maga.

That is some lethal shit!


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18738082 - 08/21/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Also Krav Maga.

That is some lethal shit!





um... no, well it's lethal for the OP. he'd die in training

krav maga is not the end all of self defense, no particular style is  and
there is nothing that OP could learn that would prevent him from being hit


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18738113 - 08/21/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Most TCMA (Kung Fu) don't involve intense sparring like other Asian arts.
After hearing more on OP's injury, I'd recommend Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.
Though most Wing Chun schools may be sparring intensive.

And to Everlong's comment on Kung Fu not being practical: he's mostly right.
You receive from what you put in, and most traditional chinese martial arts require so much dedication that it's impractical for todays society. That's why Shaolin monks dedicated their whole lives to the arts.
I've met a few people who could apply the styles into fighting, but 90% cannot.

Wing Chun is a different story, as it was made to be easily applied.

But it really comes down the school and teacher. Some teachers stick with tradition. Some have taken the style and applied it to be street-practical.

I'll start looking for schools in your area sometime today or tomorrow.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18738126 - 08/21/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thats why I said he should get a gun or an iron man style implant.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18738134 - 08/21/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Most TCMA (Kung Fu) don't involve intense sparring like other Asian arts.
After hearing more on OP's injury, I'd recommend Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.






it still happens and without the sparring the reaction time doesnt develop

kevlar is where OP needs to go


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18738163 - 08/21/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Acaterpillar said:
Most TCMA (Kung Fu) don't involve intense sparring like other Asian arts.
After hearing more on OP's injury, I'd recommend Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.






it still happens and without the sparring the reaction time doesnt develop

kevlar is where OP needs to go




There's other ways to develop reaction time.
But you're right; OP's training will need to be very unique because of his condition.
He will need to find a teacher who understands his situation, and is willing to curb his training to fit his needs.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: kinkaku]
    #18738329 - 08/21/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You could consider a knife as intermediate between hands and the gun.

Jeet Kune Do is the art of Bruce Lee, a modified Wing Chun incorporating the useful bits of many martial arts.
 
Everyones JKD is different; modified for personal physique.

Win chun is a good base for a vulnerable individual because I think it was originally a womens survival art. 

JKD emphasizes kicks to the knee and groin, and hits to the throat and eyes as well as using headbutts elbows knees biting scratching distractions and off-beat rhythms, all non-telegraphic attacks; as well as jamming and tying up (trapping) the opponents limbs and interrupting attacks with your own as best line of defense.  Also some grappling, locks etc.

I'll attach some JKD examples.

Gotta be careful there are lots of people doing stuff and calling it "JKD" but some respected teachers are:

Ted Wong, Jerry Poteet, Tim Tackett, Chris Kent, and Dan Inosanto.

Look for respected teachers in your state (or students thereof). 

Here's a compilation from Tim


Here's part 1 of 6 to the JKD video"Defense" by Tim Tackett:


Here's a little compilation of various artists; note the simultaneous slip and hit illustrated by Inosanto at the end:


Jerry Poteet left behind a skilled wife (note her pulling opponents arm during strikes for extra power/control):


...and great students:

^Octavio quintero showcases the low-level kicking.

Destroy the opponents knee and you can escape easily.  The classic JKD eye-gouge is great for this as well.


^I like the infighting of Bert Poe; who was a Marine Raider, Korean war vet, bodyguard for Eleanor Roosevelt, champion marine boxer and undefeated professional boxer, Texas Ranger, Sheriff, and security expert.

Here's him teaching at the JKD Wednesday night class:


More JKD Wednsday night infighting:


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #18738365 - 08/21/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Wing Chun wasn't originally made for woman. It was created by a multitude of Shaolin masters.
However, during the destruction of the Shaolin temple in the Qing dynasty, nearly all the Wing Chun practitioners were killed except for a single nun named Wing Chun (hence the name).
She made some modifications for women. However, these modifications would work in OP's favor as they are mostly meant to prevent any vulnerability to the chest.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18738416 - 08/21/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No offense to anyone who trains Kung Fu, but it is kind of crap for self defense. It will inflate your ego terribly, but you wont learn how to actually fight very effectively at all.

If you watch Kung Fu stylists fight people from other styles they almost always get beaten to a pulp.


If you want to do an effective Chinese martial art, I would recommend San Shou. It is really the only Chinese art worth training for self defense(unless you are willing to put 2-3 decades into Tai Chi).

I studied Kung Fu for many years. I wouldn't recommend it to someone as a first style. Especially if you want to learn practical self defense.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738443 - 08/21/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Don't blame the style when the player is at fault.

And good luck finding a legit San Shou school in America.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18738489 - 08/21/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So it's just so happens that every person who does Kung Fu exclusively is bad at real fighting? Or do you have another explanation?

Honestly, it's going to be hard. I didn't realize the extent of OP's injuries. If I were him I would train just Kali/Silat and carry a knife. Having such a serious injury is a HUGE disadvantage in a fight.

He won't be able to do Judo, Jiu Jitsu, or Aikido without falling. Falling might hurt him.
He probably won't be able to do any contact kickboxing style, so almost everything with good striking fundamentals is out.

Pris is wrong. You won't get hit in a Kung Fu class. That's a big part of why you wont learn to fight effectively there. Krav Maga might be OK too, but I think it teaches a really delusional macho attitude towards self defense.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar] * 1
    #18738507 - 08/21/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So it's just so happens that every person who does Kung Fu exclusively is bad at real fighting? Or do you have another explanation?






Quote:

Acaterpillar said:
And to Everlong's comment on Kung Fu not being practical: he's mostly right.
You receive from what you put in, and most traditional chinese martial arts require so much dedication that it's impractical for todays society. That's why Shaolin monks dedicated their whole lives to the arts.
I've met a few people who could apply the styles into fighting, but 90% cannot.






Also take into consideration the rules and limitations that most tournaments have in place. Because of this MMAs will always have an advantage over TCMAs.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18738513 - 08/21/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So if there were no rules, how would that change anything?

I hate this argument. It's just a lame excuse for not training hard, and not training contact.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738541 - 08/21/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If I blind you with my fingers your training will probably not work the same.  I think the point on rules is a good one regarding sport fighting vs. survival fighting.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738562 - 08/21/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Do you really think any of those fights would have gone better for the Kung Fu guy if eye gouging was legal?


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738637 - 08/21/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if they train it.  It is a random video of numerous fighters with unknown training credentials. 

But without rules I think there would be a definite shift in balance.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: flickedbic]
    #18738675 - 08/21/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The problem with arguments like this is that the focus is on style.
The focus should be on the players, as any style is fully capable of conquering the other.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738685 - 08/21/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why don't we see any Kung Fu practitioners being successful in any combat sports then?


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