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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: sniffy]
    #18737386 - 08/21/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

my methods pander to the most craven growers.



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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? *DELETED* [Re: anne halonium]
    #18737428 - 08/21/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18737437 - 08/21/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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malicom said:
Loph seeds are impossible to get in the US.



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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Tangich]
    #18737456 - 08/21/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:heart:


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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? *DELETED* [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18737505 - 08/21/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18737718 - 08/21/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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malicom said:
Im so jelly, i need some peanutbutter to balance me out.


Loph seeds are impossible to get in the US. One of these days. lol




not true they are just seeds the easiest thing to get in the states


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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18737735 - 08/21/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

those arent chimeras,
but, were working on it.

strains vary, i have all types.


as for seeds, i personally am non commercial,
and, do not endorse any source.

mine mostly come from private sponsors,
that wanna see me test their seeds.
cuz ill tell ya in months what ya got.

seeds are available globally.



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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: anne halonium]
    #18738032 - 08/21/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

you can graft a plant onto another plant though, just like a cactus on a cactus works... that loph looks A fucking MAZING



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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? *DELETED* [Re: anne halonium]
    #18738049 - 08/21/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18738318 - 08/21/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Anne's style of work scares me. 

@Anne. Do you ever degraft your work? I would really like that.


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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #18739486 - 08/21/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

all the time.
heres an ancient 4 month old on rockwool




my seed sponsors are global,
so i have a global mix.
i dont ask, i just grow,
peeps can debate what they actually are.


" annie, lophs from around the world in 180 days or less"

BTW , annie is a research entity, never commercial.
i do not buy sell or trade specimens, or endorse vendors.
for educational value only, all pics in areas where legal.
kids do not imitate annie at home.


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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Sillyputty67] * 1
    #18740765 - 08/22/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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malicom said:
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anne halonium said:
my methods pander to the most craven growers.







Is this a williamsii, or some other Loph variant? Basically im looking at ordering international, and i want a shot at those genetics of that sick button producer in the last pic.




Genetics might have a small part in the way that Loph is pupping but it is mostly from the fact that it is grafted onto pere.
I have had them pup like that yet others out of the same seed batch haven't pupped at all or they have only popped out a couple.

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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: GoOnThen]
    #18740877 - 08/22/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

How big diameter peyote cactus can be achieved with pereskiopsis?


This is hard grown very old peyote and main head size is ~7-8cm diameter cause it's not perfectly round anymore.
From pup to pup diameter of this cactus is ~12-13cm, depends on where to measure. This is one variant grows own tap roots to buttons of plants after long time and later on they will broke off. Rib count is 13(main head) and offshoots are over 3-4cm diameter. Never seen same coloration and ornamental fine plants than hard grown peyote.

I have nothing against grafting and people who practice it but I would want to know what is maximum size pereskiopsis can give to peyote.. My trichocereus graft has also forced cactus to grow very weird cause of aggressive growth rate.

From collector perspective who buy, trade, sell and grow ornamental lophophora I think there is no way to get big nice hard grown plants with grafting and grafted plants ain't so valued along most collectors who like the slow growth rate and appearance after very long time. Also care of seed grown plants are very easy and they are extremely drought tolerant.

Rot prone is one of the interesting part to grow lophophora and care of them.

I have only grafts for various stocks like trichocereus, echinopsis and so on but I try to keep them on some control to let them look natural and later on take them for later away from stock and start grow root for them. Small diameter degraft is hard to see after decade cause it's probably has grown new tap root and slow growth rate develops the beauty of peyote.

Cannot say everyone opinion but I like the appearance of slow grown peyote cause with grafting is very hard to obtain cactus close to their natural form. Even cultivated plants ain't identical to plants in the desert but their drought tolerance and somehow fragile life makes this very interesting to grow also plants from seed to mature without grafts.

Ofc grafting is practiced long time with many kind of plants. For example fruit trees are grafted to more frost tolerant root stock to get them adapted more northern climate and this practice is hundreds, maybe thousands of years old.

From perspective of person who loves fragile and rot prone plants with slow growth are very rewarding after years and appearance of cactus is very nice. My plan of the peyote plants grafted on various stocks is degraft after 1-3years and hope they are after several years more close to natural form and degrafted appearance is gone. Hopefully.

I am still starting to experiment pereskiopsis too soon.. Wan't to experience about that area of growing to know later what it is.. Is the growth speed more facinating than appearance of cactus? I will find out soon when I obtain pereskiopsis plants and sacrifice few seedlings.. :tongue2:

I don't judge anyone but for sake of appearance and form of peyote, without graft results seems to be best and time consuming project is very rewarding and bond the grower to plants very deeply.:heart:

IMO sacrifice appearance for sake of growth speed is not my thing even I have some grafts for various stocks cause I trying to find stock what gives more natural form to scion than too fast growing grafts. That's my opinion and I don't judge anyone growing methods.

I have talk about grafting with person who have collected peyote from 70's.. That guy doesn't want to ruin the plants natural appearance and tap root is very effective when cactus needs long dry period even at growth season.

I have shown this pic in many place there. This is almost one year old graft when I graft small offshoot from big old peyote. Cause of trichocereus aggressive growth speed it has turned to this but now pupping from center has stopped and there is 6 heads, two 2-head pups and there will start to come "adult hairs" from the middle of pups and no more new pups center of the pup.

This is not caespitosa, it's just normal peyote button grafted to trichocereus stock and started to gone wild possibly cause of scion cannot control the growth rate. It still seems signs of stabilizing when it has got lots of mass compared to small pup what is was when I do the graft.

My plan is degraft this scion after it has flowered bu cause of massive pupping there is just started to come small amount of hairs instead of just "empty" aerole and buttons stars to show at center some real growth. Will see where this goes, maybe after next season or after 2 years I degraft this and see what kind of cactus I have years later.

Also, my grafting rate is poor.. 50-70% success, I use sterile knifes and environment but cause I don't practice this much cannot be sure all of the grafts success, sometimes graft has died after few months. Grafting is interesting but more interesting is to grow peyote as much natural appearance as it is cause they are pure ornaments for me.


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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: intelligentlife]
    #18741176 - 08/22/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I have nothing against grafting and people who practice it but I would want to know what is maximum size pereskiopsis can give to peyote.. My trichocereus graft has also forced cactus to grow very weird cause of aggressive growth rate.




I would be interested to know the biggest anyone's grown one on pereskiopsis. I'd be pretty impressed if anyone has got them as big as 10 cm diameter. My best was probably something like 5 cm. Trichocereus regrafts are probably the best way to go for mass bulk of individual scions I guess.

Most people regard it as a temporary stock, the graft union tends to eventually become corky. IME that can lead to some rot and mold problems when degrafting. Selenicereus grandiflorus is suggested by some as an alternative without this limitation.

Regarding appearance, a lot of degrafted peyotes start to approximate the appearance of natural grown plants before too long, at least above ground. Below ground they look more like an octopus or jellyfish than a carrot. I guess you could trim the roots to encourage the plant to make one main taproot, but the octopus style root system seems to be pretty efficient in supporting growth.


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Re: Peyote: How long from seed to Mature cactus? [Re: Sillyputty67] * 1
    #18741245 - 08/22/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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malicom said:
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anne halonium said:
my methods pander to the most craven growers.







Is this a williamsii, or some other Loph variant? Basically im looking at ordering international, and i want a shot at those genetics of that sick button producer in the last pic.



If you want plants that pup a lot, you can buy williamsii v. caespitosa seed.


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