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Size Of Jar For PF Tek
    #18737031 - 08/21/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've noticed on many of guides for PF TEK method they always stress for 1/2 pint jars. I was just wondering if 1/2 pint jars is absolutely essential or if I could use bigger size jars such as normal sized pint jars. I'm about a week away from starting my first grow and I plan on doing PF TEK method with BRF and vermiculite as the substrate. Any advice will help thanks in advanced.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18737145 - 08/21/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Best to stick with the short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars. Even with the taller regular mouth 1/2 pint jars some people tend to have problems with them stalling out and even when they do finish it slows the growth down quite a bit. Full pint jars would be even worse.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18737147 - 08/21/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Bigger jars means more substrate and longer time for colonization. When PF tek is done without pressure cooker, the substrate is more prone to contamination. With longer colonization time there is more chance for contams to appear.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: substrate33]
    #18737176 - 08/21/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If growing more is what you're going for, maybe you should read into grains and bulk. It's really not that difficult to get into.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: mushmagic]
    #18738473 - 08/21/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Alright I'll probably go out and get 1/2 pint jars then, thanks


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    #18740204 - 08/21/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: WC3TFT.Shrooms]
    #18740256 - 08/21/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ace hardware is one of the few places you can buy the short fat half pint jars


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18740734 - 08/22/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I had a bunch of the tall 1/2 pint jars that took almost a month to colonize fully. I had some spores left over so I got some of the short and fat 1/2 pint jars and was fully colonized at around 2 weeks. So make sure you get the short ones, they work much better.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: d9c6]
    #18740751 - 08/22/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes they do


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18742639 - 08/22/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I picked up a dozen of these today at Walmart should be ideal.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18742678 - 08/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nope those won't work. They have a shoulder. You won't be able to birth the cakes. Why is this so difficult for people :shrug:


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18742685 - 08/22/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Think of it like this. Could I make a sand castle with this jar. If the answer is no then it won't work


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18742711 - 08/22/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ffs. What style jar?


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18742720 - 08/22/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also for BRF could I use Mahatma brown rice brand and grind it to a powder?


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18742729 - 08/22/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Don't fret.  You didn't waste money.

1.  You can still just fruit those in the jars if need be.

<---------Not cubensis but cubes work the same way (see my signature for more info). 

2.  Those jars work great for no pour agar work.

As far as the BRF question......yes.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18742779 - 08/22/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ffs. What style jar?




Kerr wide mouth half pint jars for best results. You can find them on amazon or at your local ace hardware if you have one


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18742842 - 08/22/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Kerr wide mouth half pint jars for best results. You can find them on amazon or at your local ace hardware if you have one




If you can't find the glass jars, 1/2 pint Ziploc plastic bowls work just as well.  And you can find them in just about any grocery, walmart, hardware etc. stores.



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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: MacMerdin]
    #18742847 - 08/22/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Kerr wide mouth half pint jars for best results. You can find them on amazon or at your local ace hardware if you have one




If you can't find the glass jars, 1/2 pint Ziploc plastic bowls work just as well.






I never tried them but I have heard good things


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18742873 - 08/22/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I never tried them but I have heard good things




My only complaint about them is the lid makes it hard to see the inoculation holes.  I use black electrical tape over the lid with the holes punched through the tape and lid so I can see where to inoculate.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18742902 - 08/22/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Kerr wide mouth half pint jars for best results. You can find them on amazon or at your local ace hardware if you have one




If you can't find the glass jars, 1/2 pint Ziploc plastic bowls work just as well.






I never tried them but I have heard good things



I used them, and it was great. Colonized a bunch of these in about 2 weeks and they're still going good in the FC :P Much cheaper than glass too


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: d9c6]
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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: d9c6]
    #18743086 - 08/22/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's what you want


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: Stromrider]
    #18743119 - 08/22/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

250 ml wide mouth jars - walmart
Vermiculite / Perlite - Home depot
70% iso something alcohol lol - Shoppers
Pressure cooker - Walmart

There you go my Canadian fellows :smile:


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: ShroomyShroomsMan]
    #18755642 - 08/25/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Alright boys just got back from the store and here is everything I picked up.

(12)Regular mouth canning jars 1/2 Pint
(6)Wide mouth canning jars 1/2 Pint
100% Organic Rye Flour (couldn't find brf)
Measuring cups
Humidity & temperature reader
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16-Qt Pressure cooker


Incubator


Also I found this heating blanket it should help control the temp for fruiting chamber/incubator





I still need to pickup some latex gloves, a type of humidifier, and possibly some gypsum. Thoughts??


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18755688 - 08/25/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No need for a humidifier, unless your ambient RH is less than 30%, then just humidify the room.

No need for gypsum really, unless you plan on spawning the cakes to a bulk substrate.

No need for the heating blanket or incubator really, unless your temps are super cold.

Build a SGFC for best results with your cakes.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

Also, you want 6500K lighting on a 12/12 schedule, so a timer and the right spectrum light would help a lot.

Might also want to get some 70% alcohol.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18755711 - 08/25/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry to say this, but those still aren't the right jars. The ones on the left are tall and narrow-mouth, and the ones on the right have a shoulder.

The ones you want are Kerr branded, not Ball branded: http://www.freshpreservingstore.com/kerr-half-pint-8-oz-wide-mouth-jars-set-of-12/shop/383255/

I'd also advise you not to use an electric blanket for incubation. It's too easy to dry out your substrate. If you're dead-set on incubation (which really isn't necessary for most people), look up FrankHorrigan's tub-in-tub tek.

And don't worry about a humidifier. You don't need one with a shotgun fruiting chamber. That cheesy humidity/temperature monitor you got might not show high humidity in the chamber, but that's because those aren't the conditions it's designed to monitor.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #18755717 - 08/25/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How would I go about humidifying the room? and you're saying the perlite will humidify the FC just fine? I also do have 70% alcohol :laugh:


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: toxetel]
    #18755723 - 08/25/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You're gonna need another bag of Perlite. I had one bag and had to go back and get another so I could get around 4".


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    #18755725 - 08/25/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How would I go about humidifying the room? and you're saying the perlite will humidify the FC just fine? I also do have 70% alcohol :laugh:



You don't need to humidify the room. If you have a correctly built SGFC and enough Perlite your fruiting chamber will keep up the humidity by itself.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: toxetel]
    #18755742 - 08/25/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The ones on the left may not be ideal but they should still work right?


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: d9c6]
    #18755743 - 08/25/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How would I go about humidifying the room? and you're saying the perlite will humidify the FC just fine? I also do have 70% alcohol :laugh:



You don't need to humidify the room. If you have a correctly built SGFC and enough Perlite your fruiting chamber will keep up the humidity by itself.




Some people might need to if they live in a really dry climate like a desert because the perlite will dry out way too fast. Which is why hacker stated if it's 30% humidity or less.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18755746 - 08/25/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How would I go about humidifying the room?



With a humidifier.

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you're saying the perlite will humidify the FC just fine?



Yes.


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: PussyFart]
    #18755747 - 08/25/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Follow the tek I linked to.


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    #18755809 - 08/25/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I did, thanks :laugh:


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Re: Size Of Jar For PF Tek [Re: DevilFromRs]
    #18755845 - 08/25/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Alright take your new found knowledge and get to it. Report back with results :goodluck:


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