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OfflinePsilosopherr
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How do communes work?
    #18736966 - 08/21/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've been thinking about my dreams lately, and the main one was that I want to own and run a small farm. But this is an overwhelmingly expensive and not profitable venture.

So then I think, maybe I could farm on a commune. But I don't know where to find one, how joining works, how the sharing of resources works (probly different by commune) Or how land ownership/lodging works in communes. Anyone have experience or insight?

Anyone know of communes in the pacific NW that are looking for new blood? :lol:


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18736970 - 08/21/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I found this about a year ago when I was intrigued about the whole idea.

http://directory.ic.org/records/communes.php


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: jammin]
    #18736991 - 08/21/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I found this about a year ago when I was intrigued about the whole idea.

http://directory.ic.org/records/communes.php



oh wow thats a great site. I wonder if I could live well off of only what we would produce? or still have to buy shit


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18737004 - 08/21/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ooooh... like a farm. i thought you meant a weird religious type compound where you have like 8 18 year old wives.

i was like...

:datass:

but now im all...

:nowaitstopdammit:


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: OyBroop]
    #18737066 - 08/21/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Posting to keep tabs on this,

I am fascinated by how communes operate economically and if they succeed and how the quality of life is. Of course I'm not a fan of the aforementioned religious cult-communes :P


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: iarphairc]
    #18737086 - 08/21/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP, communes work by ensnaring a continuous stream of suckers who will do the people's work, because communism doesn't work.  It doesn't work because it requires people to disabuse themselves of the notion of Self.

Sorry, Charlie.

Save yourself now.

Dead end ahead.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737108 - 08/21/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OP, communes work by ensnaring a continuous stream of suckers who will do the people's work, because communism doesn't work.  It doesn't work because it requires people to disabuse themselves of the notion of Self.

Sorry, Charlie.

Save yourself now.

Dead end ahead.



Don't you think there would be a handful that aren't scams as you claim? I've heard many an educated person say that communism does work, but only on a small scale.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18737126 - 08/21/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They do it on a small scale so that the total failure is small as well.

Communism

Does

Not

Work

Sounds good on paper, but always fails in practice because,at some point, self-interest always intrudes and then you have the haves and have-nots and the have-nots with a brain realize this and seek to redress their grievances.  This leads to the need for a whole new class of have-nots (also known as "suckers") to take over for the ones that wise up and leave.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737136 - 08/21/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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They do it on a small scale so that the total failure is small as well.

Communism

Does

Not

Work

Sounds good on paper, but always fails in practice because,at some point, self-interest always intrudes and then you have the haves and have-nots and the have-nots with a brain realize this and seek to redress their grievances.  This leads to the need for a whole new class of have-nots (also known as "suckers") to take over for the ones that wise up and leave.



Well, personally I think thats overly pessimistic. Looking through the directory of communes makes some of them seems like good functional places. I do need to do a visit to one though.

We'll see if you're right someday


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737172 - 08/21/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes because abandoning his hopes and dreams in order to participate in the rat race is such a wonderful prospect.

Not every commune is a cult trap.  Not every commune devolves into the RCP.  That generalization is ridiculous.  Your negativity is ridiculous.

Communes also don't always equate to communism.  A commune is an intentional community of people living together, which is why they're now more accurately called intentional communities.  Living in an IC doesn't have to be a dead end trap where you end up abused by some bourgeoisie bastard.  Just like each family has values, so does each IC.  If OP CHOOSES one that is as you described, or one ran by religious zealots, that is his own fault. 

However I'm not trying to change your mind, simply post a counter balance to your pessimism toward this topic.

OP if I were you I'd research permaculture, homesteading, self-sufficiency and the like.  The first step to having a real IC is having people with actual skills to provide.  ICs aren't for people who want to just opt out of society, you need skills to make it work.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18737195 - 08/21/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I didn't realize I hurt your feelings.  Of course you are right.  Prove me wrong and go live in a commune.  It will do you good.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737198 - 08/21/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh, I didn't realize I hurt your feelings.  Of course you are right.  Prove me wrong and go live in a commune.  It will do you good.



I'm just sayin, it can't be as bad as you make it out to be.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18737202 - 08/21/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I only wish it weren't.  See for yourself.  Go live in one and ask yourself after your first month if weekly bathing, starving, working your ass off while other people sit around and smoke herb all day is going to be a real interesting situation...


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737217 - 08/21/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Feelings.  See you assume I invested emotion into my post because you posited a contrary opinion.  You believe you have elicited annoyance or anger, and you delight in that.  Enjoy your kicks and ad hominem.  :rolleyes:

I do plan on living in a commune, but I cannot go to college and learn what I'm learning out there.  Give it until after.  I also just started a garden this year so I don't know enough about growing my own food.  But I am learning.

But no matter where I am, I will be happier than someone who spends their twilight years posting ignorant and angry words on a drug forum.    However of course that's a ridiculous notion, who would do that?  :tongue:


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737221 - 08/21/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I only wish it weren't.  See for yourself.  Go live in one and ask yourself after your first month if weekly bathing, starving, working your ass off while other people sit around and smoke herb all day is going to be a real interesting situation...



I already almost bathe weekly and don't eat much :rofl:

And I wouldn't join one where the work wasn't evenly divided. I mean, it's 100% income sharing, so there's no way some people just sit on their ass. If thats the way it is forget it :shrug:


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18737225 - 08/21/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18737233 - 08/21/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You poor thing.  I will keep a good thought for you while you go through your next adventure into personal hell.  No, the burned hand teaches best.  Once you get burned you will think twice about the stove.  I am 51 years old and people have been trying to make communes work since I was a kid and the reality is that they only work when a new crop of free labor appears and takes over the "group chores" until they get burned out and yearn for something else - anything else in fact.

But don't let me hold your lame ass back.  You go right ahead comrade.  I'll be here to say, "see, I told you so", when you come back.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737274 - 08/21/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No you'll probably be dead around that time, comrade. 

51 years old is not a qualifier for wisdom.  You can continue to parrot the same thing you've been saying since the beginning of the thread, you just sound like a siren.  You act as if people just keep trying the same thing over and over, and that every commune has to be the same way.  That is simply an ignorant statement.

Note though that some ICs do accept interns which act as free labor basically.  Not all do this though, just like not all of them are religious freaks.  Just don't let yourself be taken advantage of like an idiot.

Furthermore, I'd rather venture out and burn myself than stay home burdened with fear by someone like you.

There's also the option of homesteading, OP.  Generally it requires a lot of work but you worry about less people, especially if you find yourself in the situation this dolt is describing.  There's tons of guides that you can explore before you even step foot outside, though I'd recommend putting them to practice.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18737325 - 08/21/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, communism is so successful I have to be wrong.  Dude you are seriously tripping.  Get off your cheap soapbox and secure the smart-assed bullshit, junior.  You haven't lived long enough to know your ass from peanut butter.

The facts are the facts.  Stop being a terminal dumbass.  Either live your convictions or don't.  The fact that communism doesn't work seems to be lost on you, so GO FIND OUT FOR YOUR SELF.

We can't wait to see you put up some pictures, swami.  :tard:


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: mpd]
    #18737359 - 08/21/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yet another post that boils down to trivial insults and dribble.  You've got 5,489 under your belt, how many until he kicks the bucket?

Neither of us has anything constructive left to add to this conversation, so I will disconnect before this results in even more flaming (not like this site isn't already polluted with it).

Enjoy your miserable existence, I will enjoy mine.


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Re: How do communes work? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18737407 - 08/21/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Your arguments made a lot of sense clockCode.

mpd, I'm now convinced you're an ass when it comes to discussing communism. But conflicting points of view are usually useful.


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