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Poor mans flow 'hood' idea.
#18736785 - 08/21/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I haven't tested it yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If you're used to doing your work in the open air and you have a ceiling fan in your house it might be worth it to work under it and simply put it on the lowest speed on winter mode. If you don't know what this does it simply spins in the opposite direction and pushes the air up to the ceiling instead of the other way around. Actually I'm not sure if it's winter or summer mode now that I think about it, but just hold your hand underneath and/or above the fan blades and you should be able to tell which way it's pushing the air. You'll probably want to clean your fan first if it's dusty or else you risk simply throwing spores around. Another idea I had is to heat up your work surface in the oven to about ~60c (~140f) or so to encourage an upward draft and work on that as well. I simply use my cutting board for this. Again I haven't done any kind of controlled tests, and haven't tested the fan method at all yet, but logically it makes sense and can't be worse than working in the open air.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18736804 - 08/21/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A fan spinning in any direction would just move spores around. The reason a flow hood works is because one side of the filter is never contaminated. If you just have a fan well then you blow around spores and it will be worse. If you cant have a hood, get a SAB.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18736814 - 08/21/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: but logically it makes sense and can't be worse than working in the open air.
My logic brought me to a different conclusion. A flow hood provides a laminar flow of clean air. Key words laminar and clean. A fan can offer you neither of these.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: rew736]
#18736816 - 08/21/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah that will just make contams worse. Good on you for trying though, maybe that reversed fan can be useful in some way..
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: rew736]
#18736819 - 08/21/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is for people who do not have a SAB or obviously a flow hood, I'm not proposing it as an alternative to the above. Sure it would move spores around, but it doesn't matter so long as the current is right, they'll get sucked upwards before they fall into your jar/agar dish. Just hold a cigarette under it to see which direction the smoke goes, that's what's going to happen to your airborne spores. If it goes down at all then you have too much force on the fan/your room is too small and it won't work. The hot work surface is still a good idea though which should work no matter what.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18736835 - 08/21/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: This is for people who do not have a SAB or obviously a flow hood, I'm not proposing it as an alternative to the above. Sure it would move spores around, but it doesn't matter so long as the current is right, they'll get sucked upwards before they fall into your jar/agar dish. Just hold a cigarette under it to see which direction the smoke goes, that's what's going to happen to your airborne spores. If it goes down at all then you have too much force on the fan/your room is too small and it won't work. The hot work surface is still a good idea though which should work no matter what.
this is starting to get idiotic. It will be open air, except there will be this radial air current that will be throwing spores and air all over the damn place. Just because the air goes up doesn't mean it STAYS up.
It hits your roof and then goes everywhere else
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000] 1
#18736848 - 08/21/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's going to blow shit all over your work. No way around it.
This idea does not work.
You're better off making a shit cardboard box with 2 holes in it and working in there.
krypto, my man, are you high as fuck all the time lately or something?
There is some weird stuff coming from your corner on a regular basis this month...
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18736878 - 08/21/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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the smoke will go up even if the fan is off.
No fan would be better because at least the air will be more still.
Not everything is going to get sucked up in to the fan, and what does will just get recirculated around the room.
Didn't you build some massive SAB one time?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18736974 - 08/21/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: the smoke will go up even if the fan is off.
 the OP's logic is great
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737103 - 08/21/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course the smoke will go up because it's lighter than air, you compare the speed at which it goes up and the direction. It's not a dumb idea at all. If you're in a perfectly square room with no furniture in it sans a table and the fan is spinning slowly enough it will create a circular air current. It will flow up from the center of the room, down the wall, and back up the center. This is basic physics.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18737121 - 08/21/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Of course the smoke will go up because it's lighter than air, you compare the speed at which it goes up and the direction. It's not a dumb idea at all. If you're in a perfectly square room with no furniture in it sans a table and the fan is spinning slowly enough it will create a circular air current. It will flow up from the center of the room, down the wall, and back up the center. This is basic physics.
please, pretty please, try your tek. See your contam rate and report back. Prove us all wrong
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737140 - 08/21/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We can all argue back and forth til we're blue in the face.
Won't change the fact that your work is going to be contam'd to hell.
Try it out krypto.
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I am going to try it because it's the only way to find out. I stopped coming to this forum for the most part a couple years ago because it was all the same shit, no improvements, just the same old ideas again and again. I come back and unsurprisingly nothing's changed outside of bubble wrap . This place is using teks from 5-10 years ago and is scared to forge their own path and advance the hobby. Sure not every idea someone throws out there is going to work, including my own of course, but you guys just shoot it down not on logical grounds but because it doesn't follow a single proven method from the past.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18737475 - 08/21/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually we shot this down on very logical grounds, and I asked what the hell you're so high on lately
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18737524 - 08/21/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is very true.
I was hoping there was a reason for all this stuff from you lately but...apparently not 
Let us know how the fan running while doing sterile work goes for you.
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a fan will create a whirlpool of air in your room and in that whirlpool will be all the evil spores. it will be like one big contam merryg-go-round.until they get on your work area and everything else.
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So the fan sucks the air upward, away from the space you're working in... What do you think happens to the space you're working in? Does it become a vacuum? Are you no longer able to breathe because the fan sucked away all your air?
Of course not. Air moves in from your sides to replace the air the fan is pulling up. Dirty air. Air that just ran over your floor. Air that just ran past your clothes. Past your body. Air full of contaminants. Contaminants that will land on your work and ruin your day.
You either want to work in a laminar flow of sterile air, or in still air.
If you have to work in open air, turn off all your fans. Cover any ventilation ducts. Close all the windows. Turn off all electrical devices and light or heat sources, save one that you use to see what you're doing. Spray the air with a fine mist of some kind of air sanitizing spray and wait for it all to settle. That'll make your work air as still and clean as possible without spending the three dollars on a cardboard box and plastic wrap required to make a basic still-air box.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18737561 - 08/21/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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to test put some open agar dishes under the fan for a few hours. Then put open agar dishes in a SAB for a few hours. The SAB will prob win
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18737578 - 08/21/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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phosi said: to test put some open agar dishes under the fan for a few hours. Then put open agar dishes in a SAB for a few hours. The SAB will prob win
maybe a few seconds or even a minute lol but an hour and even the one in the sab will contam.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18737604 - 08/21/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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kinkaku said:
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phosi said: to test put some open agar dishes under the fan for a few hours. Then put open agar dishes in a SAB for a few hours. The SAB will prob win
maybe a few seconds or even a minute lol but an hour and even the one in the sab will contam.
Would be an interesting contam test
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18737649 - 08/21/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I was going to leave an agar dish open for maybe a few minutes. Comparing it to the SAB is a good idea. A few hours and I'd think they'd be overrun to the point where you can't get any useful info from them.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18737773 - 08/21/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I am going to try it because it's the only way to find out. I stopped coming to this forum for the most part a couple years ago because it was all the same shit, no improvements, just the same old ideas again and again. I come back and unsurprisingly nothing's changed outside of bubble wrap . This place is using teks from 5-10 years ago and is scared to forge their own path and advance the hobby. Sure not every idea someone throws out there is going to work, including my own of course, but you guys just shoot it down not on logical grounds but because it doesn't follow a single proven method from the past.
We're one of the most open minded communities there is, so thats BS 
People are always experimenting. At least I try to. Someday I'll have to try and do more legit research so it can be posted.
If there were new teks worth doing they would be in the tek section. People would try it if it didn't sound totally implausible, especially when you yourself are unable to explain why it would work.
And just because a tek is a decade old doesn't mean it stops being useful. Technology hasn't changed alot lately fungus wise 
If you're making changes for the sake of change, and newness, that is idiotic. End rant :phew:
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737795 - 08/21/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That particular barb from krypto, I was going to let it slide due to it's total insanity and lack of truth...but you basically took my response right out of my mouth.
Well said.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737936 - 08/21/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah man, this is probably the only idea I've ever heard that's worse than open air. I'm all for new ideas, but the whole plan is to have a space with no mold spores.
& whatdya mean 10 year old ideas on here? People are coming up with great ideas constantly that we can all benefit from.
Secondly, just because a method is old, that doesn't make it bad. The wheel is an old idea. Still valid...
Just take a second and ponder the concept of sterile air and re-think what you're saying.
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I came up with a new tek, do it in open air, but have a fan blowing directly on your project. It'll blow all the spores right off!
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18738012 - 08/21/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: I came up with a new tek, do it in open air, but have a fan blowing directly on your project. It'll blow all the spores right off! 
what about the, hot off the shelf, SAT tek. Still air toilet
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18738058 - 08/21/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck you guys, clearly this place lacks reading comprehension skills as well. If I discover anything that advances the field I won't be sharing it here, all I'll be posting anymore is questions and pin porn. Thanks.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18738144 - 08/21/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Fuck you guys, clearly this place lacks reading comprehension skills as well. If I discover anything that advances the field I won't be sharing it here, all I'll be posting anymore is questions and pin porn. Thanks.
I was just chiming in a joke.. nothin against you krypto.
The fan idea has a bit of merit. but i think you'll need to mod it so there is a filter of some sort..AND a much more powerful fan motor for more suction. problem with the idea is when the fan is turned off the shit will fall back down in your area. but ultimately is easier to follow what the experienced mycologists\cultivators have been doing for years.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18738178 - 08/21/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Fuck you guys, clearly this place lacks reading comprehension skills as well. If I discover anything that advances the field I won't be sharing it here, all I'll be posting anymore is questions and pin porn. Thanks.
Anything that advances the field is always welcome.
You've been around here long enough to know what kind of reaction you get from posting a postulation that goes against the grain.
But please don't let that discourage you from trying and posting your results.
If you don't get what you expect, you at least get a learning experience.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18738307 - 08/21/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I haven't tested it yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If you're used to doing your work in the open air and you have a ceiling fan in your house it might be worth it to work under it and simply put it on the lowest speed on winter mode. If you don't know what this does it simply spins in the opposite direction and pushes the air up to the ceiling instead of the other way around. Actually I'm not sure if it's winter or summer mode now that I think about it, but just hold your hand underneath and/or above the fan blades and you should be able to tell which way it's pushing the air. You'll probably want to clean your fan first if it's dusty or else you risk simply throwing spores around. Another idea I had is to heat up your work surface in the oven to about ~60c (~140f) or so to encourage an upward draft and work on that as well. I simply use my cutting board for this. Again I haven't done any kind of controlled tests, and haven't tested the fan method at all yet, but logically it makes sense and can't be worse than working in the open air.
I don't think the reverse ceiling fan idea will work. The problems are that the air being pulled up through your work area is dirty air, and the air flow is not laminar and smooth. So the moving air will be turbulent and there will be swirling air currents as the air passes your work and that turbulent swirling air will send contaminants right into your work. Save yourself some grief dude, don't do it.
And yeah, it's winter mode.
You will have better success with the oven door tek than the reverse ceiling fan tek.
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krypto2000 said: Yeah I was going to leave an agar dish open for maybe a few minutes. Comparing it to the SAB is a good idea. A few hours and I'd think they'd be overrun to the point where you can't get any useful info from them.
I can leave agar dishes open in front of my flow hood over night!
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Juiceh]
#18738407 - 08/21/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it sucks that you had to get flamed over an idea you have. It's not like your idea will fail with certainty. Not sure how anyone could even say that without knowing. Thinking you know and actually knowing are completely different things guys.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738420 - 08/21/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: Yeah it sucks that you had to get flamed over an idea you have. It's not like your idea will fail with certainty. Not sure how anyone could even say that without knowing. Thinking you know and actually knowing are completely different things guys.
Some things you can just know without trying.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738437 - 08/21/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Some things you can just know without trying.
Bingo!
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Juiceh]
#18738459 - 08/21/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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As far as I can understand, all the fan idea would do is create a perpetual current that randomly deposits whatever particles are present in the room. Am I missing something fundamental?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738463 - 08/21/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: Yeah it sucks that you had to get flamed over an idea you have. It's not like your idea will fail with certainty. Not sure how anyone could even say that without knowing. Thinking you know and actually knowing are completely different things guys.
Some things you can just know without trying.
Like for instance, that fans move air 
and air moving is bad, unless the fan is a HEPA
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738519 - 08/21/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, but I seriously doubt anyone here is any sort of engineer with a PE. So no one here actually knows even if they think they do. It's just an idea, for all you know something happens on the quantum level that shatters anyone's expectations. I'm not saying that's how it is, but auto rejecting things is really closed minded guys.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738527 - 08/21/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: Yeah, but I seriously doubt anyone here is any sort of engineer with a PE. So no one here actually knows even if they think they do. It's just an idea, for all you know something happens on the quantum level that shatters anyone's expectations. I'm not saying that's how it is, but auto rejecting things is really closed minded guys.
only when we basically know for sure it would make things worse than nothing
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18738553 - 08/21/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sometimes an open mind gets garbage thrown in it.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738582 - 08/21/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm just saying, no one here actually knows for sure. I understand all the logic that has been posted on this thread. But no one here really has the authority to say that it will fail or succeed. Unless there are some Aerodynamics majors lurking around who are experienced and would actually know.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738605 - 08/21/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know for sure. I can say it with authority. I don't need a degree to figure this one out
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738614 - 08/21/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How did you figure it out and how do you know?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738623 - 08/21/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Scruffy, are you being serious? If none of us are an engineer, then why should we accept the idea of another non-engineer if it contradicts our understanding of the subject? It's not about having a closed mind, it's about demanding something more then an idea, like a convincing explanation of the function.
I got a fuckin' brilliant idea about lighting my blankets on fire on the floor to keep warm, are you closed minded if you tell me that's a really dangerous, inefficient and possibly counterproductive way of doing it?
By all means, I am willing to listen to the OP's suggestion, but I can't agree until someone can show me why and how it would work.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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Sagescruffy said: How did you figure it out and how do you know?
Don't answer that...this is pointless. We all know that air currents have to go somewhere. Bouncing off walls and everywhere. We also know that mold spores are airborne and everywhere.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
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Right, I'm not saying krypto is right. I am saying you all flamed him for his idea, when in reality you don't even know for sure. Instead several people decided to belittle krypto. Rbalzer, we don't actually know all of that. You are just assuming.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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Sagescruffy said: Right, I'm not saying krypto is right. I am saying you all flamed him for his idea, when in reality you don't even know for sure. Instead several people decided to belittle krypto. Rbalzer, we don't actually know all of that. You are just assuming.
We also don't KNOW if gravity is real. We dont KNOW FOR SURE, if anything we think we know is true.
who the hell cares? stop talking
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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If you are going to suggest "cat" is spelled with a "k" then you better have some documentation, or you will get belittled... Have some replies been shitty? Yes. But many have not, and it started out entirely polite...
By the way, if your point is that "people were being dicks" then you are entirely undermining that by trying to wedge in some credence to his idea. And still without explaining the function..
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Sagescruffy said: I'm just saying, no one here actually knows for sure. I understand all the logic that has been posted on this thread. But no one here really has the authority to say that it will fail or succeed. Unless there are some Aerodynamics majors lurking around who are experienced and would actually know.
Experience over rides this subject. An aerodynamic major would just give analytical word fluff. When ya get your hands dirty and do it then its a whole new answer.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
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I tend to get ruder when people can't at least hold up their side of the discussion with logic. Sorry if I pissed anyone off
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I know the same way I know a 3-way with 2 hot chicks would be awesome.
Sure, there is the possibility that I'm wrong, but the power of deductive reasoning should not be under estimated.
It's not important for you to believe that I know, because I know I know and that's good enough for me.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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The gravity example isn't a good comparison. There are a lot of people who actually know if the OP would be wrong or not and they wouldn't need to fluff up their words. Who actually has experience with this specific idea anyway? Come on guys, those are some weak points. We don't know how the air will move around in the room. Krypto could be right about the physics of the air current. He's going to try the idea and see if it works, there was no need to give him shit.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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Sage, would you agree then that my request for some documentation before lending the idea any credence is reasonable? No flaming, no saying it won't work; just that the burden of proof is on him. Sound fair?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
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He wasn't claiming he was right though. He just wanted to tell us about his idea and see what we think. It was an innocent act and he pretty much got made fun of.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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In the first post he says he can't see why it won't work. In the second post in this thread he got what is probably the definitive laymans answer in regards to why it won't. Then OP's second post contains, among other things, this:
"Sure it would move spores around, but it doesn't matter so long as the current is right, they'll get sucked upwards before they fall into your jar/agar dish. Just hold a cigarette under it to see which direction the smoke goes, that's what's going to happen to your airborne spores. If it goes down at all then you have too much force on the fan/your room is too small and it won't work."
This is a pretty definitive statement.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
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I'm amazed this thread is still going. Is there really anything to discuss here?
IMO let the man test it out, see for himself. Just put a couple agar dishes out for a few minutes, see how much shit there'll be growing there in a couple of days. It'll be fun!
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
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Sagescruffy said: He wasn't claiming he was right though. He just wanted to tell us about his idea and see what we think. It was an innocent act and he pretty much got made fun of.
Not everyone was making fun of him. I'm only making fun of you.
This was kinda fun at first, but now it's getting sad.
If you actually care if it works, then try it.
Some things are just too stupid to debate about.
I'm out
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
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It is, I'll agree with that. I don't see why people laughed in his face though because he could be right. Yeah the burden of proof would fall on him, but that doesn't give people an excuse to act that way toward someone. I am defending krypto because for whatever reason people think it's okay to be an ass hole to people who they think are wrong, and it's not okay to me.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Pestile]
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Pest: I agree, but we won't get to see the results though, 'cause he isn't sharing his scientific breakthroughs with us anymore.
Scruffy: I can only repeat what I said earlier about you undermining your point at this stage. There is no need to defend him or his idea, it's just counterproductive. The idea may be genius, the idea may be shit; people shouldn't be assholes regardless.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
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Sagescruffy said: It is, I'll agree with that. I don't see why people laughed in his face though because he could be right. Yeah the burden of proof would fall on him, but that doesn't give people an excuse to act that way toward someone. I am defending krypto because for whatever reason people think it's okay to be an ass hole to people who they think are wrong, and it's not okay to me.
No, he can't be right.
But I agree 100%, there's no reason for people to be assholes, which I really don't see happening.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I'll test this for you guys Friday (need to make up some more agar anyway) My fan is just a 2 second flick of a switch away from winter mode and I've got enough plates that I can run some for control in my glove box and some that can be exposed to all the nasties that I'm sure will be growing in a few days...
I honestly can't believe this thread made it to 3 page. No offense krypto but common sense says this will fail, but I've got the extra supplies right now and am willing to risk being made a fool of if it does defy logic (though from past 2 second tests outside of my gb I know my house is just filled with all sorts of nasties due to the damp environment my house is near)
(Anyone that wants a wdge of my household contams after this is done let me know. )
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: BloodKil]
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How is this thread not dead yet?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Toe_Jam]
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Toe_Jam said: How is this thread not dead yet?
Now that Bloodkil is doing the contam experiment, it shall be alive.
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Bloodkil said: I'll test this for you guys Friday (need to make up some more agar anyway) My fan is just a 2 second flick of a switch away from winter mode and I've got enough plates that I can run some for control in my glove box and some that can be exposed to all the nasties that I'm sure will be growing in a few days...
I honestly can't believe this thread made it to 3 page. No offense krypto but common sense says this will fail, but I've got the extra supplies right now and am willing to risk being made a fool of if it does defy logic (though from past 2 second tests outside of my gb I know my house is just filled with all sorts of nasties due to the damp environment my house is near)
(Anyone that wants a wdge of my household contams after this is done let me know. )
looking forward for this lets put this to the test to end this debate
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Pestile]
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The question remains "Where's the sterile air coming from?" Show me sterile air that's not sterile and I'll show you non-sterile air
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I never say it would work, that's specifically why I said it was an idea, because I don't know. I'm going to test it in a few days out of curiosity, I'll post my results; I'm not so butthurt now that someone with some empathy actually came to chime in, thank you. If you shoot down an idea that's fine, but give a logical reason why and at least pretend you understood what I said.
The idea didn't lack logic, I thought I explained it very clearly what I thought would happen and why it would help. If your fan is in the center of the room and right under your work area, as I assume most fans are, then it will create an upward current under it and a downward current around the walls. This is not unlike the oven tek which uses heat to create an upward current, no one is saying that's a bad idea simply bc it relies on moving air. Theoretically the only spores that will end up in your work will be those that stick to the tools you're using, none should fall in.
Until the third page after I was already done with this idea no one even offered a reason as to why it would fail outside of a blanket statement of 'windflow = spores' which is a rather empty statement in itself. That reason being air turbulence do to an obstructed or uneven current which I already mentioned as a reason it might not work. If you're working in an empty square room, or even more ideally spherical, then this would certainly work as I am imagining. How this will tranlate in practice with furniture, doorways, etc. and whether it would negate the benefit I don't know, that's why I'm not coming here purporting it will work. All I said was, as was already quoted, 'I can't see why it wouldn't', that by no means implies I am convinced it will. If I were convinced it would I would be doing my work that way and not coming on here to gather thoughts on the matter.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18739902 - 08/21/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm surprised this didn't branch off into "hey try a box fan and like 3 hepa furnace filters from Walmart"
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: I never say it would work, that's specifically why I said it was an idea, because I don't know. I'm going to test it in a few days out of curiosity, I'll post my results; I'm not so butthurt now that someone with some empathy actually came to chime in, thank you. If you shoot down an idea that's fine, but give a logical reason why and at least pretend you understood what I said.
The idea didn't lack logic, I thought I explained it very clearly what I thought would happen and why it would help. If your fan is in the center of the room and right under your work area, as I assume most fans are, then it will create an upward current under it and a downward current around the walls. This is not unlike the oven tek which uses heat to create an upward current, no one is saying that's a bad idea simply bc it relies on moving air. Theoretically the only spores that will end up in your work will be those that stick to the tools you're using, none should fall in.
Until the third page after I was already done with this idea no one even offered a reason as to why it would fail outside of a blanket statement of 'windflow = spores' which is a rather empty statement in itself. That reason being air turbulence do to an obstructed or uneven current which I already mentioned as a reason it might not work. If you're working in an empty square room, or even more ideally spherical, then this would certainly work as I am imagining. How this will tranlate in practice with furniture, doorways, etc. and whether it would negate the benefit I don't know, that's why I'm not coming here purporting it will work. All I said was, as was already quoted, 'I can't see why it wouldn't', that by no means implies I am convinced it will. If I were convinced it would I would be doing my work that way and not coming on here to gather thoughts on the matter.
PLEASE, try this out. I really want to see real results on this. Maybe multiple people will. Everything you say about your "logic" behind this idea is baffling. You seem to think this upward current will shield your agar from the open/moving air. The air filled with contams..
we kept repeating "wind-flow = spores" because that's all this comes down to. It's not an empty statement, but rather a well thought out one.
You don't need a degree in aerodynamics to know that air randomly bounces around the room in ALL directions. Even if they were drawn up, they would still bounce EVERYWHERE.
The definition of a gas is "An airlike fluid substance which expands freely to fill any space available, irrespective of its quantity." Since matter is always in motion, the motion of particles filling any free spaces available results in particles bouncing in ALL directions.
is THAT enough for you who think this might work?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
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the only way i could see this maybe working is if you have a strong enough fan to make a tornado haha even then the eye of your tornado work place would still be normaly contaminated
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: Until the third page after I was already done with this idea no one even offered a reason as to why it would fail outside of a blanket statement of 'windflow = spores' which is a rather empty statement in itself.
I think I gave a more detailed explanation than that. Air doesn't move from one place to another in a closed room -- it circulates. So if you're working in a room with dirty air in it, a fan anywhere in the room will blow that dirty air onto your work.
I don't know where you got the idea that we're just trying to squash your idea because we don't like new thoughts. We're giving you our thoughts on the concept. That's why you posted your idea, right? So others could help you work through it? I really was trying to help, brother. I sincerely apologize if it seemed like I was talking down to you; that was not my intention.
Incidentally, I am actually an engineer by training and trade. I don't know where you got the idea that nobody on the Shroomery has engineering credentials. We professionals like to cultivate and trip as much as anybody else!
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: toxetel]
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: toxetel]
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I think I gave a more detailed explanation than that. Air doesn't move from one place to another in a closed room -- it circulates. So if you're working in a room with dirty air in it, a fan anywhere in the room will blow that dirty air onto your work.
That's exactly why it could work, what do you think circulate means? The air should flow down around the walls and up in the center of the room, underneath the fan. Are you implying circulates means total chaos and randomness everywhere? You don't need to be an aeronautics expert to understand this. The only reason it would do anything else is because your fan is going at a different speed than the size of the room, or the furniture creates too much turbulence. House fans are designed to move the air exactly like that, if not they wouldn't even have a summer and a winter mode as they'd do the same thing.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto, i understand what you are trying to do, and why you think it will work, but it wont. as the fan sucks air up, dirty air will take it's place. this is circulation. the air around your agar will go up towards the fan, but will be replaced by spore-ridden air from somewhere else.
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Yes. This is what I've been trying to explain. Its actually worse than random open air. In mycology, sterile, (or as sterile as possible) air has to come from SOMEWHERE or SONETHING. With a flowhood, the air is forced through a highly efficient (for filtering mold spores) filter. That's the air that "flows" in the "hood" . Sterile air.... That's the problem here. The sterile air is nonexistent. As far as the upward draft, that's about the worst thing. Mold spores fal to rest on the floor. Up, into your work they'd go. Think about it
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U know what works well for me i use a goant hubble wand and make a biiiiggg bubble with the special bubble stuff that doesnt pop then inwork inside said bubble jo air at all
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
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just so we are on the same page
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: The only reason it would do anything else is because your fan is going at a different speed than the size of the room
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
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I had to lol at this.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
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Simple and yet so effective.
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toxetel said:
I think I gave a more detailed explanation than that. Air doesn't move from one place to another in a closed room -- it circulates. So if you're working in a room with dirty air in it, a fan anywhere in the room will blow that dirty air onto your work.
That's exactly why it could work, what do you think circulate means? The air should flow down around the walls and up in the center of the room, underneath the fan. Are you implying circulates means total chaos and randomness everywhere? You don't need to be an aeronautics expert to understand this. The only reason it would do anything else is because your fan is going at a different speed than the size of the room, or the furniture creates too much turbulence. House fans are designed to move the air exactly like that, if not they wouldn't even have a summer and a winter mode as they'd do the same thing.
This is the reason I'm tempted to flame/bash on your idea. You don't seem to understand how gases function in reality. Yet you won't just go try it, because maybe you know it won't work.
One of the funniest things I've read in a while is you trying to explain "why this would work."
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18746780 - 08/23/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: You don't need to be an aeronautics expert to understand this.
That's the only part of what you wrote that makes any sense. It seems like language is failing us. I guess empiricism is your only hope. Please let us know how it works out when you test out this method.
Good luck, brother.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: toxetel]
#18746890 - 08/23/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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this idea is almost as good as the "reverse microwave" idea(as seen on cky) lmao. whats wrong with a still air box? i have almost perfect results. maybe you should be working on your sterile technique instead of this!
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: HiLIFE]
#18747026 - 08/23/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Krypto, So the core idea here is that we're pulling air up and away from our work. That's a fine idea.
That air will be circulating throughout our room. Our room in inevitably dirty, hence trying the fan idea to keep it clean.
So now this air that's moving up and away from our work is dirty/contaminated.
Here's why that is bad: As that air moves past the edges of our work pieces, table, agar, hands, it will circulate in a turbulent manor, moving over the surface of our work pieces. This brings in dirty air to our agar, table, hands and tools.
Here's a picture showing that sort of action. The lines that go left to right can be thought of as the air that's orientated moving from the floor to the ceiling in our room. The wing shape can be thought of as our table, hand, agar dish or tools.

You can see that this upward (or left to right in the pic) moving air will mix in over the surface of our tools, agar, hands (or wing shape in the pic).
This will bring the air from our dirty room into contact with the clean work pieces.
Or here, in this picture you can see how the air gets sucked in and around the back of the van. This would be our clean work pieces getting contammed by this dirty air.

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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: FunnyLight]
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Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18747754 - 08/23/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I am going to try it because it's the only way to find out. I stopped coming to this forum for the most part a couple years ago because it was all the same shit, no improvements, just the same old ideas again and again. I come back and unsurprisingly nothing's changed outside of bubble wrap . This place is using teks from 5-10 years ago and is scared to forge their own path and advance the hobby. Sure not every idea someone throws out there is going to work, including my own of course, but you guys just shoot it down not on logical grounds but because it doesn't follow a single proven method from the past.
Yeah, why should I go to algebra class? It's just the same old equations and principals again and again and nothing ever new is tried.
Why do I need to learn how to punch before I can learn the full kata? If I hadn't earned my black belt practicing the basics of swordsmanship I never would have been able to open up my mind and begin to discover my own technique.
We practice tried and true methods to gain experience. Most of the people who post questions on here are some form of newcomer to mycology. What most newcomers want is GUARANTEED RESULTS. Working with well understood methods helps us to understand the life cycle of mushrooms and see how they grow from start to finish. From what I've read, I've never seen anyone go against the idea of experimentation. But to truly perform an experiment it takes a working knowledge of mycology of which only a select few members of this board really have. It just so happens that with the explosion of the internet, the techniques over the last 5 - 10 years have become well practiced and mastered. They are a good place to start for newcomers. I don't really branch away from the known technique because I don't feel I have a fully working understanding of the mushroom life cycle. I haven't failed enough times to know what not to do.
I for one WANT to see your technique idea succeed. Try it and show us the results. If we could all save a few hundred dollars on flow hoods that would be awesome.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18748257 - 08/23/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18748414 - 08/23/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old. 
I blame the American public school system.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18748416 - 08/23/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18748459 - 08/23/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe it's simply a breakdown in language, but 'circulates' to me means following a circular pattern. We all know what circles are, they're round and smooth, not full of bubbles and waves going in random directions. What funnylights described very clearly is not a simple circulation, but ciculation combined with the effects of turbulance. Maybe I'm as dumb as a 5 year old on this topic, and if so I'm fine with that, but just like when a 5 year old has what to them seems like a bright idea you don't call him a dumbass, you kindly explain the failure in his logic and why it wouldn't work as funnylights did. Mocking and ridicule does not help anyone but your own ego regardless how old you or your audience is. I'm now convinced the idea won't work to the point I don't think it's worth trying, I certainly never said it would work or I wouldn't have posted to ask others thoughts on it in the first place. Thank you to those who were understanding and actually helped explain this to me.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18748543 - 08/23/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't feel stupid. If you've ever heard of the oven tek, a bunk substitute for a flow hood, it was supposed to work in a similar fashion and a lot of people were convinced it did because you can't see what's actually going on.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18748552 - 08/23/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old. 
I blame the American public school system.
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krypto2000 said: Thanks Funnylight, that is the first thorough explanation to the failure in my logic.
If you needed two paragraphs and two pictures to understand that air circulates throughout a room, thats odd.
He said basically the same shit we did. Except written for an 8 year old. 
I blame the American public school system.
thats exactly what it is. the public schools are the worst.
krypto: if you knew what circulate meant, it would have been explained in a couple posts. I'll go back and check.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18748650 - 08/23/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah, leave the guy alone now. Let's just all look forward to BloodKill's results ^_^
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18748786 - 08/23/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ah fine. I'll stop
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18748815 - 08/23/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: rew736]
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thats exactly what it is. the public schools are the worst.
I seem to recall learning about fluid dynamics on a very basic level. You can't honestly expect them to teach the practical knowledge to design an air flow system in high school. We can't see things like mold spores or even detect the minute air currents required to move them. Until you've actually studied in more detail things like that the prospect of preventing contaminants from settling into the jars with an updraft seems naturally intuitive.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Kizzle]
#18749135 - 08/23/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Agar is in the pc right now... I'll get the plates poured tonight and then use my fanhood (lol) in the morning...
I'll just be running a single plate under the fanhood with the plate lifted approximately 1" for 10 seconds. (As that's about how high I lift my lids when doing transfers.
I'll have another plate in my glove box that I will do the same for but just for shits and giggles will be holding the lid up for a full minute as I feel the fanhood needs a handicap... (I could probably leave the lid off in my gb as I have yet to have a contamed plate that wasn't from a wild specimen)
Results will likely be in before next weekend.
Edit..
Fan to be used...

It's a 4 speed (either direction) 56"
As this was your idea krypto ill let you decide which speed I use... (as a disclaimer, I'm not allowed to have it on high (setting 4) when my gf is over as it fucks up her hair... and though I cannot really feel air currents in reverse low, it provides a nice amount of air movement on forward low...) so 1, 2, 3, or 4?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: BloodKil]
#18749358 - 08/23/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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damn dude. You should either have a couple more plates, or do multiple trials to get more accurate results.
if you feel like it
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18749607 - 08/23/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I gues ill run 2 under the fan, but to be honest im not sure theres a point to it... If there are no contams ill try more plates...
I just poured 20, but don't see a reason to waste more than 2 if it contams. I have a 0% contamination rate in my 20$ glove box... If this contams even once it's not worth the time to try again IMO as the people using it would spend more money on wasted plates and/or agar over the course of a single isolate than what it would take to duplicate a gb. (And this is supposed to be a flow hood alternative)
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: BloodKil]
#18749776 - 08/24/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I agree with you guys that it likely won't work, but I'd suggest doing a single plate with the fan off and then one with the fan on as I wasn't originally promoting this as better than GB or flowhood, just an alternative to working in the open air if you already do not have either. I never tested it myself because I have a GB.
The fan speed would depend on the size of the room as I figured it, you'd want it at a speed that is relative to the size of the room, so it's kind of up to you. I'd suggest holding you hand a few inches above the work/table and find a speed which you can barely feel the upward current and then drop it one below that, so probably a 1 or 2 on your fan (assuming 1 is slow and 4 is fast). I still think a cigarette or a source of smoke would be best to figure that out as you can actually see the turbulence, ideally the smoke would go strait up. You could also use a candle or lighter and just watch how much the flame flickers.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18750788 - 08/24/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't even want the fan on when working in a SAB.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18756529 - 08/25/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I typically turn my house into a still air box when I work in my still air box .
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18756686 - 08/25/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I ended up doing one plate @ speed 1 and one plate at speed 2. (A few hours ago..)
Starting tomorrow. (~21 hours from now) ill take daily pics for at least 1 week as contamination if present should show itself well within that time period.
Pics will be uploaded after finished.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18756877 - 08/25/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Admittedly I haven't read this entire thread, so if someone's already mentioned it, I apologize. Everyone's already explained why blowing shit around the entire room with moving air is exactly the opposite of what you're trying to do during inoculation. That's why glove boxes are used--to prevent this from happening. I see where your brain was going with this, but in reality it actually causes the problem rather than preventing it.
For me, the oven-door tek has worked in terms of a jury-rigged flow hood. I'm sure it falls in the "experimental" category and is therefore not necessarily recommended by anyone anywhere. I don't know what you're looking to inoculate, but oven-door is probably better suited for jars. I've also used a sort of open(ish) air method with the little alcohol soaked sponge that you lay over your inoculation point and stab your needle through. So far so good on that one, too.
So that's neither here nor there. Teks that are 10 years old aren't necessarily bad. They're still around because they work. The reason, I suppose, that people will go to great lengths to find an alternative to open-air inoculation is not because they want to make extra work for themselves for no reason, but because open-air has a high failure rate and they want to prevent that.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18756890 - 08/25/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean, that's the point, right? To figure out something that works as an alternative to a flow hood?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18757478 - 08/25/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say an alternative, if you have or can build a flow hood you should, simple as that, it's better. I was merely proposing the idea for people just starting out if you have nothing and cannot afford even a GB that it might work better than 'still' open air, as still open air is.. well, never actually still. So seeing as open air is always flowing, rather randomly at that, my thought was that it might be better if you can at least cause the flow to mostly go up. Other than that the only other reason would be be for convenience sake really, it would be nice if we could devise a way to work in the open air, though isolating a strong species/strain is likely a better option than simply turning a fan on when it comes to that.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: BloodKil]
#18794988 - 09/03/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any updates?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18796191 - 09/03/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'd been meaning to ask. How'd it turn out?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18804184 - 09/05/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe he discoverd a new super fast way to grow mushrooms and has been tripping balls for the past week .
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said: Maybe he discoverd a new super fast way to grow mushrooms and has been tripping balls for the past week .
Or maybe through the experiment he found a contam that actually consolidated his whole body. oh no
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18804447 - 09/05/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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An anti-tek
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18804571 - 09/05/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Someone needs to sneak into this thread's bedroom and stab the motherfucker in the heart.
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18805167 - 09/05/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Toe_Jam said: Someone needs to sneak into this thread's bedroom and stab the motherfucker in the heart.
for real. I'd bet money that the test plates contamed, and am tired of seeing this pop up in "my threads" with new posts
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18805174 - 09/05/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Juiceh]
#18806841 - 09/06/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe he lives in Korea and the ceiling fan decapitated him .
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18806846 - 09/06/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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have you seen the episode of mythbusters about ceiling fan decapitations?
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18807080 - 09/06/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have, but they didn't do the test in Korea so I don't believe it : P. J/k, but maybe in Korea the ceiling fans karate chop peoples heads off?
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