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PhosCap
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: kinkaku]
#18737604 - 08/21/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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kinkaku said:
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phosi said: to test put some open agar dishes under the fan for a few hours. Then put open agar dishes in a SAB for a few hours. The SAB will prob win
maybe a few seconds or even a minute lol but an hour and even the one in the sab will contam.
Would be an interesting contam test
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krypto2000
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18737649 - 08/21/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I was going to leave an agar dish open for maybe a few minutes. Comparing it to the SAB is a good idea. A few hours and I'd think they'd be overrun to the point where you can't get any useful info from them.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18737773 - 08/21/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I am going to try it because it's the only way to find out. I stopped coming to this forum for the most part a couple years ago because it was all the same shit, no improvements, just the same old ideas again and again. I come back and unsurprisingly nothing's changed outside of bubble wrap . This place is using teks from 5-10 years ago and is scared to forge their own path and advance the hobby. Sure not every idea someone throws out there is going to work, including my own of course, but you guys just shoot it down not on logical grounds but because it doesn't follow a single proven method from the past.
We're one of the most open minded communities there is, so thats BS 
People are always experimenting. At least I try to. Someday I'll have to try and do more legit research so it can be posted.
If there were new teks worth doing they would be in the tek section. People would try it if it didn't sound totally implausible, especially when you yourself are unable to explain why it would work.
And just because a tek is a decade old doesn't mean it stops being useful. Technology hasn't changed alot lately fungus wise 
If you're making changes for the sake of change, and newness, that is idiotic. End rant :phew:
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737795 - 08/21/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That particular barb from krypto, I was going to let it slide due to it's total insanity and lack of truth...but you basically took my response right out of my mouth.
Well said.
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Psilosopherr
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yay
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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18737936 - 08/21/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah man, this is probably the only idea I've ever heard that's worse than open air. I'm all for new ideas, but the whole plan is to have a space with no mold spores.
& whatdya mean 10 year old ideas on here? People are coming up with great ideas constantly that we can all benefit from.
Secondly, just because a method is old, that doesn't make it bad. The wheel is an old idea. Still valid...
Just take a second and ponder the concept of sterile air and re-think what you're saying.
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Psilosopherr
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I came up with a new tek, do it in open air, but have a fan blowing directly on your project. It'll blow all the spores right off!
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PhosCap
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18738012 - 08/21/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: I came up with a new tek, do it in open air, but have a fan blowing directly on your project. It'll blow all the spores right off! 
what about the, hot off the shelf, SAT tek. Still air toilet
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krypto2000
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: PhosCap]
#18738058 - 08/21/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck you guys, clearly this place lacks reading comprehension skills as well. If I discover anything that advances the field I won't be sharing it here, all I'll be posting anymore is questions and pin porn. Thanks.
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PhosCap
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18738144 - 08/21/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Fuck you guys, clearly this place lacks reading comprehension skills as well. If I discover anything that advances the field I won't be sharing it here, all I'll be posting anymore is questions and pin porn. Thanks.
I was just chiming in a joke.. nothin against you krypto.
The fan idea has a bit of merit. but i think you'll need to mod it so there is a filter of some sort..AND a much more powerful fan motor for more suction. problem with the idea is when the fan is turned off the shit will fall back down in your area. but ultimately is easier to follow what the experienced mycologists\cultivators have been doing for years.
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SpitballJedi
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18738178 - 08/21/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Fuck you guys, clearly this place lacks reading comprehension skills as well. If I discover anything that advances the field I won't be sharing it here, all I'll be posting anymore is questions and pin porn. Thanks.
Anything that advances the field is always welcome.
You've been around here long enough to know what kind of reaction you get from posting a postulation that goes against the grain.
But please don't let that discourage you from trying and posting your results.
If you don't get what you expect, you at least get a learning experience.
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Juiceh
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: krypto2000]
#18738307 - 08/21/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I haven't tested it yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If you're used to doing your work in the open air and you have a ceiling fan in your house it might be worth it to work under it and simply put it on the lowest speed on winter mode. If you don't know what this does it simply spins in the opposite direction and pushes the air up to the ceiling instead of the other way around. Actually I'm not sure if it's winter or summer mode now that I think about it, but just hold your hand underneath and/or above the fan blades and you should be able to tell which way it's pushing the air. You'll probably want to clean your fan first if it's dusty or else you risk simply throwing spores around. Another idea I had is to heat up your work surface in the oven to about ~60c (~140f) or so to encourage an upward draft and work on that as well. I simply use my cutting board for this. Again I haven't done any kind of controlled tests, and haven't tested the fan method at all yet, but logically it makes sense and can't be worse than working in the open air.
I don't think the reverse ceiling fan idea will work. The problems are that the air being pulled up through your work area is dirty air, and the air flow is not laminar and smooth. So the moving air will be turbulent and there will be swirling air currents as the air passes your work and that turbulent swirling air will send contaminants right into your work. Save yourself some grief dude, don't do it.
And yeah, it's winter mode.
You will have better success with the oven door tek than the reverse ceiling fan tek.
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krypto2000 said: Yeah I was going to leave an agar dish open for maybe a few minutes. Comparing it to the SAB is a good idea. A few hours and I'd think they'd be overrun to the point where you can't get any useful info from them.
I can leave agar dishes open in front of my flow hood over night!
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Sagescruffy
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Juiceh]
#18738407 - 08/21/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it sucks that you had to get flamed over an idea you have. It's not like your idea will fail with certainty. Not sure how anyone could even say that without knowing. Thinking you know and actually knowing are completely different things guys.
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SpitballJedi
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738420 - 08/21/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: Yeah it sucks that you had to get flamed over an idea you have. It's not like your idea will fail with certainty. Not sure how anyone could even say that without knowing. Thinking you know and actually knowing are completely different things guys.
Some things you can just know without trying.
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Juiceh
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738437 - 08/21/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Some things you can just know without trying.
Bingo!
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Kjetterfaen
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Juiceh]
#18738459 - 08/21/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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As far as I can understand, all the fan idea would do is create a perpetual current that randomly deposits whatever particles are present in the room. Am I missing something fundamental?
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18738463 - 08/21/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
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Sagescruffy said: Yeah it sucks that you had to get flamed over an idea you have. It's not like your idea will fail with certainty. Not sure how anyone could even say that without knowing. Thinking you know and actually knowing are completely different things guys.
Some things you can just know without trying.
Like for instance, that fans move air 
and air moving is bad, unless the fan is a HEPA
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Sagescruffy
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738519 - 08/21/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, but I seriously doubt anyone here is any sort of engineer with a PE. So no one here actually knows even if they think they do. It's just an idea, for all you know something happens on the quantum level that shatters anyone's expectations. I'm not saying that's how it is, but auto rejecting things is really closed minded guys.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Sagescruffy]
#18738527 - 08/21/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: Yeah, but I seriously doubt anyone here is any sort of engineer with a PE. So no one here actually knows even if they think they do. It's just an idea, for all you know something happens on the quantum level that shatters anyone's expectations. I'm not saying that's how it is, but auto rejecting things is really closed minded guys.
only when we basically know for sure it would make things worse than nothing
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SpitballJedi
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Re: Poor mans flow 'hood' idea. [Re: Psilosopherr]
#18738553 - 08/21/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sometimes an open mind gets garbage thrown in it.
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