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hcheline
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Q about PF tek with some MG seeds
#18733975 - 08/20/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi everyone: SWIM has been lurking for a while and have learned much from all the kind people here. Thank you all so very much. SWIM has encountered a puzzle on his second grow with the BRF tek involving GT spore and some heavenly blue seeds.
Here are 3 jars for your disection. JAR 1 ****************************************************************
 The one on the left is the normal BRF tek, as you can see it's already colonized without issues.
There are more jars which have followed the normal BRF tek, but with a slight twist. MG seeds have been blended into chunks, not completely powderized, and mixed in at a roughly 1:4 to 1:3 ratio with the BRF substrate. The jars have been sterilized in boiling water as normal, and the fungi appear much the same as regular jars.
Confidence regarding the health of the first 2 types of jars mentioned above and their birthing is fairly high. It's the 3rd type that is thoroughly confusing/fascinating. I'm aware that heat will likely destroy active ingredients in the seeds, but that's where the 3rd type of jars come in. ****************************************************************
These jars have first been loaded with BRF/Verm substrate, then sterilized as normal. But after sterilization, they have been put into a still air chamber, where in an attempt to salvage LSA, MG seeds have been sprayed with 70% isopropyl alcohol, allowed to evaporate/dry for 10 minutes, then crushed and mixed into the jars. It was hoped that this would sterilize the seeds without allowing too much light or head to destroy all the active ingredients.
The results are interesting.
JAR 2 ****************************************************************

 2 jars were made this way, the first jar, as can be seen above, show colonization. The fungi appear very different from normal, they're completely un-rhizomorphic. They're also either A. thinner or B. colored differently because they appear darker than normal.
There appears to be a very slight green tinge, which is somewhat worrying, but it doesn't appear to be as green as contam.
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JAR 3 ****************************************************************

 The second jar, made with the same procedure, do not show much colonization. First of all, the substrate started off being a rice color, due to the BRF and verm, with some black spots which are the shell fragments. But it has gradually darkened to the same color as the shells, nearly completely black.
It is believed that this occurred for both jars, but is not as visible in the first jar due to the coverage of white fungi on top.
 This image attempts to show large areas of slightly white coloration/cobweb looking film covering the black substrate, which look like fungi. A a few spots of denser growth appear to be morphologically similar to the other jar with shows much more colonization.
There is condensation, indicating fungal activity in all jars.
Attempts were made to smell the inoculation holes to detect foul odor, but none were present. **************************************************************** So, what are your thoughts on this?
Edited by hcheline (08/20/13 07:57 PM)
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Jman420
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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: hcheline]
#18734002 - 08/20/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. We know its you.. so you can cut the swim crap.
2. Gross, looks very very very contaminated. Dump it all and start again.
3. You might want to read up a bit more on cake teks and what to do.
Looks like you need a PC.
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blojo02184
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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: Jman420]
#18734092 - 08/20/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mg seeds??
Now I know magnesium don't flower and pop out seeds... So what you talking about?
Look up poo cakes. That might be what your looking for. As far as those jars... Again... Totally lost... No idea.
And seriously... You made an account at THE SHROOMERY. Accept what you do, embrace it. Do not run from it.
And the condensation on the inside of the jar indicates a higher internal temperature than the outside. Yes something is growing inside, as to what I got no idea...
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hcheline
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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: blojo02184]
#18734983 - 08/20/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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@jman thanks! i do think they look very odd, i wanna get some more opinions on it before I dump them though.
As for the PC, I probably should get one, but in this particular case, I was trying to not heat the seeds, as that will very likely destroy the LSA.
@blojo yeah i get what you're saying, i'm just a little paranoid with all the NSA news lately.
MG means morning glory in this case. I have successfully grown a batch using the BFR tek before so I thought this time I'd do the same thing but get some seeds in there to see if the shrooms turn up any different.
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OldHam



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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: hcheline]
#18735331 - 08/21/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL, you failed BIG TIME at the easiest tek.

Also, why is the foil still over the lids?
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Kizzle
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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: OldHam]
#18735575 - 08/21/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
These jars have first been loaded with BRF/Verm substrate, then sterilized as normal. But after sterilization, they have been put into a still air chamber, where in an attempt to salvage LSA, MG seeds have been sprayed with 70% isopropyl alcohol, allowed to evaporate/dry for 10 minutes, then crushed and mixed into the jars. It was hoped that this would sterilize the seeds without allowing too much light or head to destroy all the active ingredients.
Adding anything to a BRF mixture like that which has not been properly sterilized is pretty much doomed to failure. Even though alcohol is toxic to most organisms there are some that can survive in it.
I'm not sure of the nutritional value of MG seeds but if it's relatively low you might be able to spawn a fully colonized cake to s small amount without it contaminating. Not that I think it would actually affect the actives produced by the mushrooms in any way.
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OldHam



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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: Kizzle]
#18735582 - 08/21/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still think it was the ol' foil over the lids, done done him in.
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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: OldHam]
#18736001 - 08/21/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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those jar are gone, dude. gone.
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Pestile

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Re: Q about PF tek with some MG seeds [Re: Pestile]
#18736009 - 08/21/13 05:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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The BRF jar looks good, tho.
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