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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Vaipen] 2
#18710096 - 08/15/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: I have travled to the UK and France multiple times and while they are fantastic places to visit I would never want to live there. Taxes are far to high and the barriers to creating a small business staggering the US may not be perfect however I still like living here it is my home and nation. Europe has many issues to work out before I would even consider moving there.
You forget though that alrhough taxes are high, health care coverage is cheap(er). Remember Moore's documentary 'Sicko' where he came to Europe where he talked to people about medical costs. Most people never even see a doctor's bill. Although admittedly, this is changing and we become americanized, that is to say, health care becomes more and more a matter of open market systems rather than nationalized guaranteed health care for the masses.
This is the quintessential indicator of the Ignorant European. He believes Michael Moore presents an accurate description of America.  Quote:
You have to realize that everything scales up together. Taxes are high, but you get a socialized health care system where you rarely have to worry about money.
I knew a man in Alaska who had a heart attack and had to mortgage his house again to be able to pay the bills. During the last two election times a news program visited america and talked to a woman called Vicky, who had medical costs worth over 30.00. mofo dollars, and as they interviewed her she opened another bill just arrived and she started crying because in the good fuckin' olé usa it is pay or die.
Which is, of course, a lie. She was still alive, wasn't she? Why shouldn't she have to pay for the service she got? Why should somebody else have to pay for it, Komrade? Quote:
Sorry, but yes, taxes are high, but you get a lot back for it. And you may cal, it socialism and you might prefer a more open amrket based system, but looking at the usa, how is that working out for you. At least here you don't lose your house and live in your car in the parking lot because Mister Doctor needs to live in Uptown.
It was working out just fine. I have had twp potentially fatal cancers that would have had me at a 9/16ths chance of surviving both in the UK (75% survival rate for both). In the US my odds of surviving both were over 90%Quote:
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The bigger the headache, the bigger the pill, the bigger the doctor, the bigger the bill.
And despite it being more difficult to start a business MAYBE (and why is that important anyway), people do it anyway. And we have the biggest market in the world. And we are doing just fine.
I don't know what issues you mean. I think we solved most serious issues. Things like abortion and euthanasia are no longer insurmountable (religious) issues and we don't have people shaming you when you walk into the clinic.
Really? What is the Irish position on abortion?. Fuck, you don't know much about Europe, either. And what's wrong with shame? You should be shamed for being such a fucking moron to get pregnant when you didn't want to.Quote:
There are many things very wrong in Europe, then again, no more than in the usa. But when it comes to understanding the differences, the European informed individual should have a leg up in the blame game.
I said it before and I'll say it again. You don't know shit about America. "14% have passports" my ass.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Vaipen] 1
#18710431 - 08/15/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: I have travled to the UK and France multiple times and while they are fantastic places to visit I would never want to live there. Taxes are far to high and the barriers to creating a small business staggering the US may not be perfect however I still like living here it is my home and nation. Europe has many issues to work out before I would even consider moving there.
You forget though that alrhough taxes are high, health care coverage is cheap(er). Remember Moore's documentary 'Sicko' where he came to Europe where he talked to people about medical costs. Most people never even see a doctor's bill. Although admittedly, this is changing and we become americanized, that is to say, health care becomes more and more a matter of open market systems rather than nationalized guaranteed health care for the masses.
You have to realize that everything scales up together. Taxes are high, but you get a socialized health care system where you rarely have to worry about money.
I knew a man in Alaska who had a heart attack and had to mortgage his house again to be able to pay the bills. During the last two election times a news program visited america and talked to a woman called Vicky, who had medical costs worth over 30.00. mofo dollars, and as they interviewed her she opened another bill just arrived and she started crying because in the good fuckin' olé usa it is pay or die.
Sorry, but yes, taxes are high, but you get a lot back for it. And you may cal, it socialism and you might prefer a more open amrket based system, but looking at the usa, how is that working out for you. At least here you don't lose your house and live in your car in the parking lot because Mister Doctor needs to live in Uptown.
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The bigger the headache, the bigger the pill, the bigger the doctor, the bigger the bill.
And despite it being more difficult to start a business MAYBE (and why is that important anyway), people do it anyway. And we have the biggest market in the world. And we are doing just fine.
I don't know what issues you mean. I think we solved most serious issues. Things like abortion and euthanasia are no longer insurmountable (religious) issues and we don't have people shaming you when you walk into the clinic.
There are many things very wrong in Europe, then again, no more than in the usa. But when it comes to understanding the differences, the European informed individual should have a leg up in the blame game.
As zappa already said micheal moore dosen't understand the US and quite frankly he is a huge hypocrite. He critizes the very system that allows him to make millions and live in a mansion. As for the high taxes you claim to get more bang for your buck what about healthcare rationing when the state gets involved in pretty much anything they mess it up royally.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18710624 - 08/15/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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MIchael Moore has made millions upon millions of dollars trashing the US. I'd trash the US, too, if I thought I could get paid like that for it. I find it hilarious that Vaipen might possibly consider himself an informed anything, European or Martian or Whatever.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
#18710699 - 08/15/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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One thing for sure i agree on is the present administration is the most incompetent in recent history, possibly of all time. Who else could spend trillions of dollars with so little benefit? If he had simply spent 1/2 that money on refurbishing infrastructure, we would have rebuilt bridges, roads, and other things we need desperately. Instead, most of it went to patronage and graft. Infrastructure spending creates real jobs, not flipping burgers like we have now.
Even the supporters of obummacare, except for the completely brain dead ones, admit it will increase health care costs. How much? take your pick of lies. The point zap made about part time jobs is very telling. The socialists think you can simply pass laws to take money away from those you don't like and they will stand still for it. When they naturally do what they have to do to stay in business, the socialists whine that they are "exploiting loopholes". Without those so called loopholes they would never have gotten the monstrosity passed.
Its like the idiots who say raise corporate taxes and close the "loopholes" aka legit business deductions. Then in the next breath they cry about offshoring and the loss of jobs. Gee, do you think there might be some connection between the two? Our rates are too high now so most corporations with a brain in their head relocate and reincorporate in other countries such as ireland among others. Before some leftist tells me our rates are low or average, it does no good to compare with failed economies in europe. Do you want to be like greece, portugal or others which are rapidly failing?
Sadly, the socialists are wining. They have convinced the homer simpsons among us that you can spend more than you take in and do it forever. Some of the criticisms of usa are valid, but they are made by those in even worse condition. See how good the free medical care is when your govt goes insolvent. Or when ours goes insolvent. Just as you cannot repeal the law of gravity no matter how pc you are, you can not repeal the laws of economics. The fumbler in chief will be gone collecting huge speaking fees before the end he allowed and helped to happen comes about.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: gluke bastid]
#18710712 - 08/15/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Timely
http://moonbattery.com/?p=34840
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It took a while, but a positive aspect of ObamaCare has finally come to light; the disastrous healthcare legislation will apply some justice to the pointy-headed moonbats in academia who helped install Obama in power:
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Temporary faculty members at Arizona State University are feeling a sting from the Affordable Care Act, even though a key component of the law does not go into effect until January 2015.
ASU administrators recently notified non-tenured associate faculty members that they will be limited to teaching six credit hours per semester beginning this fall, which amounts to two general-education courses.
“It’s like getting a punch in the stomach. For some people it’s a major financial setback,” said Mariam Cohen, a Scottsdale psychiatrist who teaches religious studies at ASU. …
Beginning in January 2015, ASU will be obligated to provide health-care coverage to employees who average 30 hours or more per week. Though enforcement of the law is a year and a half away, ASU is entering a legally required “baseline monitoring period” for implementation of the law this fall, [ASU spokeswoman Sharon] Keeler said.
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NBC News contacted around 20 small businesses and other entities for this report and found that employee hours are being cut to 29 hours because of Obamacare, despite the delay of the employer mandate.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Vaipen] 2
#18710747 - 08/15/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am more than prepared to withstand any onslaught from ignorant Europeans. I would also point out that the particular ignorant European was opining that the Zimmerman case was about racism. That is an abject lie and he doesn't know a fucking thing about racism in America. And neither do you.
I have no intention or responding to your nonsense. Laughable as it is. I didn't even speak about a Zimmerman case. You just pissing in the wind.
Of course you have no intention of doing so because you can't. You are an Ignorant European. I know you didn't speak about Zimmermman, as I clearly stated, but the other Ignorant European was opining on Zimmerman matters of which he had no knowledge. Like you are opining most ignorantly on pretty much all matters American to which you have expressed an opinion. You don't seem to be all that well informed about Europe, either.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18712845 - 08/16/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You needed to edit that message...
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Vaipen]
#18715955 - 08/16/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I referred to you as the Most Ignorant European in the World. I edited out "Most" and "in the World". I thought that might be over the line
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#18716109 - 08/16/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Zap, while i agree with you most of the time, other times it just seems like you just want to rant rather than discuss subjects. Or am i stating the obvious? Oh well, give 'em hell.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Stonehenge] 2
#18716259 - 08/16/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought I took his ignorance apart rather well. He's stalking me now
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18721531 - 08/18/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's just one step closer to a basic income. Sounds good to me!
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18726820 - 08/19/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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When the payroll report was released last month, the world finally noticed what we had been saying for nearly three years: that the US was slowly being converted to a part-time worker society. This slow conversion accelerated drastically in the last few months, and especially in June, when part time jobs exploded higher by 360K while full time jobs dropped by 240K. In July we are sad to report that America's conversation to a part-time worker society is not "tapering": according to the Household Survey, of the 266K jobs created (note this number differs from the establishment survey), only 35% of jobs, or 92K, were full time. The rest were... not.
After 4 years there is no one else to blame. These monsters' policies are completely and utterly fucking the people of the US. If you thought. This idiot in the Oval Office's policies are entirely to blame. There is no recovery. There hasn't been one at all. The Dow is NOT at an all time high except in nominal terms, it is 11% lower than its inflation adjusted peak. http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/dow-record-inflation-adjusted/
You get nothing but lies from these people
I'm no supporter of Obamacare. But where is the link between all of our jobs becoming part time and the Affordable Care Act? You haven't really laid it out in this post.
What is the link? If you have more than 50 employees you must provide health insurance to anyone who works more than 30 hours a week. You figure it out.
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When the payroll report was released last month, the world finally noticed what we had been saying for nearly three years: that the US was slowly being converted to a part-time worker society. This slow conversion accelerated drastically in the last few months, and especially in June, when part time jobs exploded higher by 360K while full time jobs dropped by 240K. In July we are sad to report that America's conversation to a part-time worker society is not "tapering": according to the Household Survey, of the 266K jobs created (note this number differs from the establishment survey), only 35% of jobs, or 92K, were full time. The rest were... not.
After 4+ years there is no one else to blame. These monsters' policies are completely and utterly fucking the people of the US. If you thought. This idiot in the Oval Office's policies are entirely to blame. There is no recovery. There hasn't been one at all. The Dow is NOT at an all time high except in nominal terms, it is 11% lower than its inflation adjusted peak. http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/dow-record-inflation-adjusted/
You get nothing but lies from these people
I'm no supporter of Obamacare. But where is the link between all of our jobs becoming part time and the Affordable Care Act? You haven't really laid it out in this post.
What is the link? If you have more than 50 employees you must provide health insurance to anyone who works more than 30 hours a week. You figure it out.
Or, they could just pay the measely fine and opt out of the insurance all together, I don't see where your correlation = causation. More of a reactionary part by some business's, im in food service, Ive seen quite a few businesses try to pull these 28 hour caps and this and that, now they have high turn over rates, obsess over labor and hours, it will backfire, the less cash im paid the less I spend.
I think this quest for risky short term profit over a longer stable yet, maybe not as lucrative profit plan, is going to annihilate this country, and the worlds economy.
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#18728526 - 08/19/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I provided a link to a university that was cutting hours. Measly fine? Why pay any fine when you can just have 49 employees or cut hours.
In regards to their profit seeking behavior, unless you own the company you have no business opining on what is in their interests. Only they can say what is in their interest. You and I are nobody.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18729133 - 08/19/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I provided a link to a university that was cutting hours. Measly fine? Why pay any fine when you can just have 49 employees or cut hours.
In regards to their profit seeking behavior, unless you own the company you have no business opining on what is in their interests. Only they can say what is in their interest. You and I are nobody.
Dude, the fines are as low as 95$ a year and adjust to around 600$ a year in proportion to your profit which is no more then 1%, Their employees will be able to choose a insurance plan in proportion to what they pay. I don't really see how it vastly harms business, I work in the service economy, payroll and labor and the sort are very important, we know whats coming with the ACA, we know whats planned our company will pay a fine for those employee's it doesn't want to insure, It wont hurt us one iota, Why slash you're workforce when you can ugh, pay a measely fine, like I said. It may be unwieldy, it may prove to be a failure, but im not going to criticize it until its implemented, our status quo of millions of uninsured is sapping our country, or healthcare system is in disarray, even with insurance a serious illness will bankrupt you, and this status quo needs to be fixed immediately. Maybe if the republicans came up with a better plan instead of drum beating REPEAL OBAMACARE people wouldn't be so fed up with this congress.
I never knew their was some gag order on whether I could opine on the fact that the quest for short term risky investments is a disaster. It was the junk bond that's put us in the economic disaster we are in, this worship of high yield debt, and in the long term it just isn't sustainable, but its the model that so many in high positions of finance think is the road to go down, and its a road paved with unemployment, recession, inflation, and stagflation. A leveraged buyout on a business, downsize 4000 employee's, this may bring profit to the shareholder, but in the long run, that's 4000 people not spending money, not consuming, and if we keep this system going it will eat itself, like a ourobouros.
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Re: Obamacare. 77% of new jobs added in 2013 are part time. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18735264 - 08/21/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: It's just one step closer to a basic income. Sounds good to me!
hur hur hur.
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