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Entities?
    #18734748 - 08/20/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Id like to hear brief accounts of anyones entity contacts.

One thing im hung up on is what is the contact like within reality? Is it projected visually, is it a voice in yur head, is it just a feeling you get?

I dont believe ive ever witnessed entity contact and im starting to question what entity contact really is?
Is it a result of ego inflation?


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Re: Entities? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #18734820 - 08/20/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

With a strong enough hit of DMT you go to another realm sometimes with walls, sometimes with landscapes, but most of the time there is some type of entity there with you. Sometimes humanoid, sometimes totally alien, and they communicate to you usually through a type of telepathy. This realm feels so real it sometimes makes you question this reality. You can see your limbs as if in first person, at least I do, and navigate through this realm as if you were walking sometimes.


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18734897 - 08/20/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I met these guys the first (and only) time I broke through while smoking DMT:



They didn't look exactly like them (they were composed of triangles), but immediately when I saw that painting I knew it was the entities I'd met before.  When I met them the foremost one just gestured at something on my left, I'm not sure what.

The first time I met an entity was the first time I drink ayahuasca.  She was a black woman in a yellow dress and she came in waves.  Then she took me away.  I don't remember what I experienced.

My first time I took salvia I met an entity.  It was a little white light that was tracing a mandala in the air.  It asked me if I wanted to go shopping.

The first time I took shrooms I'd heard that going into complete darkness was a cool thing to do on them so I went off to this out-of-the-way-room in the basement of the house.  I grabbed the door handle and a hand came and tried to drag me in.  I immediately let go and decided not to go in.  One day when I am ready I'll go back.


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Re: Entities? [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #18734967 - 08/20/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Forgot about this one:  one time I drank some passionflower tea, then some morning glory tea, then smoked some datura, then smoked some weed.  Then I went off to a chhorten (a buddhist shrine) and sat and meditated there for a little bit.  Buddha came and punched me in the face when my eyes were closed for being so disrespectful.  It hurt.  Figure that counts as well.


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18734990 - 08/20/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wow that amazing is it scary ? I've have trip pretty damn hard and never had any type of entity that wasn't there I see stuff and even out of body a time are two , but no little entities anywere . I im interested in this is it something we would like? or is it something like a evil realm?


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18735015 - 08/20/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It can be whatever you can imagine, and you don't quite control it at all. You can die a thousands deaths, it can be hellish, you can end up in the most welcoming blissful totally fractalized world. It's scary, overwhelming, awe inspiring, humbling, and will set you speechless, and shaking for a good 30mins afterward. DMT and ayahuasca at least, I've never seen or felt an entity on anything else.


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18735032 - 08/20/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But what about entities? how come I've never experienced anything like this and im a well seasoned tripper.


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18735040 - 08/20/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Have you ever broken through on DMT?


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18735065 - 08/20/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's most common on smoked DMT.  Ayahuasca is probably the second best way to do it, followed by a heroic dose of shrooms (adding in some syrian rue also helps) and then salvia.  When you go into amphetamine psychosis supposedly meeting up with the "shadow people" is pretty common.  Peyote-using native americans believe in an entity called Mescalito, who I've heard contains and consists of the entirety of the peyote headspace, all trips past and present and then some.

People almost never meet entities on acid.  The first time I did it I had the distinct impression that there were none there.  I did have one friend who met a beautiful flying woman while candy flipping though.  People don't meet them on RC's generally either.  Basically the more natural and traditional the drug is the more entities seem to populate it.  But of course not everyone meets them, even if they manage to trip hard enough.


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18735076 - 08/20/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ok no I have not tried dmt is that why I havent saw this entities ? So I can't experience this type of realm and entities on lsd or mushrooms or even amt?


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18735092 - 08/20/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Entities have always shown up after hard drug use.
for me meth brought on the "shadow people" they move around on walls and play tricks on you.

mushrooms brought on some alien type entities. there was more then one i was in a mushroomed out coma after taking 13 grams dry. i remember being paralyzed but conscious and reality was ripped away my room was no longer a room it was like lab and these tall blue alien like figures where poking my rip cage with spears. every poke would send burst of colors and i was yelling i see the colors i see them. real story bro no bullshit. drugs a fucked up and entities in that sense are just figments of are creative imagination. that's what i believe


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Re: Entities? [Re: Megatrondon]
    #18735098 - 08/20/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The most consistent, most vivid entity/entity's world contact comes through DMT, yes.  If you break through a couple of times almost everyone meets them.  If you've only got access to shrooms like I said buying some syrian rue and taking a heroic dose alongside some is your best bet.

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Megatrondon said:
drugs a fucked up and entities in that sense are just figments of are creative imagination. that's what i believe




I like to believe that they're real in the sense that they're fully conscious beings that just happen to live in your head the same way you do, just briefly.


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18735122 - 08/20/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ive saw these shadows before but no interaction and it was just strange but not entities. I must go to this realm you guys talk of .It almost make me wonder if there isn't something to these entities I wonder if we are really seeing something that just can be seen normally, but it's really there?


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Re: Entities? [Re: Megatrondon]
    #18735137 - 08/20/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If they come after hard drug use then I would have saw them daily lol?:confused:


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18735292 - 08/21/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It helps I think if you think of the entities not so much as individual creatures but an actual reality and metaphysical universe made up of individual creatures! Just as how it is said we humans/animals/living things -when you zoom out- are all one part of the same thing, so it is with the bizarre and non physical creatures of hyperspace.

On a low dose, the entire space and place is made up of many different creatures and beings that are all one part of the same thing- hyperspace. But on a low dose one is like an ant gazing at the foot of an elephant, and as a result can not even comprehend what the elephant actually is!

Take a high dose of DMT however and the low level entity's are suddenly revealed to be small individual fragments of vast alien machines- the ant can suddenly see the elephant! It blows his tiny mind!

What I mean to express is that a low dose of DMT will manifest only a low level or mere glimpse of small parts of the metaphysical universe, whereas a high dose will give one a much vaster, more wide angled comprehension of the universe and its inner workings as a whole.

Each individual entity that manifests before one on a low dose is itself merely a tiny insignificant fragment of hyperspaces fabric, that makes up something much greater- albeit still yet only another single entity...

Kind of like a jelly fish, a hub of individual living cells that makes up -when viewed from above- only one more, big individual creature. This jellyfish is in turn contained within a reality in which it too is merely one individual creature that is one insignificant part of many others, that make up yet again only another individual and much vaster entity! And so on!

Hyperspace is a metaphysical universe, smaller entities fragmented building blocks of much much bigger ones etc etc! 

Excuse the declarative tone here bud, all this of course is merely subjective opinion and pretty much any visual description of the actual entities themselves is doomed to a miserable failure, so I didn't bother!

One word I use constantly to describe the DMT experience is impossible and that pretty much goes for explaining the experience as well!


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Re: Entities? [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18735395 - 08/21/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I met these guys the first (and only) time I broke through while smoking DMT:



They didn't look exactly like them (they were composed of triangles), but immediately when I saw that painting I knew it was the entities I'd met before.  When I met them the foremost one just gestured at something on my left, I'm not sure what.

The first time I met an entity was the first time I drink ayahuasca.  She was a black woman in a yellow dress and she came in waves.  Then she took me away.  I don't remember what I experienced.

My first time I took salvia I met an entity.  It was a little white light that was tracing a mandala in the air.  It asked me if I wanted to go shopping.

The first time I took shrooms I'd heard that going into complete darkness was a cool thing to do on them so I went off to this out-of-the-way-room in the basement of the house.  I grabbed the door handle and a hand came and tried to drag me in.  I immediately let go and decided not to go in.  One day when I am ready I'll go back.




That sounds scary, like something out of a horror movie. What did the hand look like? Did you see a face?


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Re: Entities? [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18735523 - 08/21/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Entities? [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18735578 - 08/21/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

any thing you notice persists and morphs autonomously rather than fading quickly.

in this way as I notice bits around me they become hinges or fulcra for ongoing ideation.

before they are faded, new ones are happening and continuing.

often I have thought them to be eyes, or have seen eyes, but they could just as easily be shadows, that you can see, and then find to be semiautonomous or autonomous.

and that can also be just from fragments of attitude,
you don't necessarily see that as much as feel it,
or hear probably it(them) in your mind, and it/they will likely persist even after other attitude has started, so the autonomous attitudes in mind easily seem to be autonomously active entities.

that can mix with full on visuals of little people or big ones, or paintings (or mirrors) that have morphing shapes and empathetic attitudes (all persisting and seemingly autonomous)


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Re: Entities? [Re: octopus]
    #18735625 - 08/21/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The most dramatic encounter I have had with entities was not on psychedelics but my second OBE. I had gotten out of bed after going to bed and sleeping and went to the toilet but couldn't piss.

I return to my bedroom. In utter shock I see my sleeping body, and on either side is a male and female who look human. They telepathically tell me not to be afraid, and then they escort me down the stairs.

I see the foront door is open and go out into the garden, and breathe in this amazing air of what is like the day just before sun comes up when the light hs this deep intensity

I return into the house and look in a mirror. I look WEIRD...

I go into the other room. I see two very close people to me.....there happens a VERY dramatic sexual encounter with one of them who has gone down on me..!! As I am screaming, the person sucking my dick and the other one who was just sat there both stand up, take off MASKS--the human faces I thought they were--and underneath they look like Satyrs



I do a U-turn on the spot. RACE up the stairs. Find bedroom, and dive into my sleeping body and was conscious going in!

As you can imagine this was a life-changing experience and the RIDDLE of it continues to unfold

What does it mean? it means that like ancient peoples knew there are different dimensions of experience. The culture we are oppressed under wants to control our consciousness so we are fixed to its agenda--being robotic slaves

On magic mushrooms I have seen little faeries with eyes shut which I later found out the Mazatec peoples call 'the duende' which has been translated as 'supernatural dwarves', but there are other translations, like 'spirits of the earth' etc etc.

Indigenous people and who lived in the country before the assault of modern life are more akin to encountering these dimensions which are in continuum with nature. Nature is a magical and sacred...

It is good to ask questions, but be aware of hidden premises. For example the culture we are in very much divides 'inner'--the psychological--from the 'outer', which mainstream science claims is dead/insentient random matter. So be aware of the myth your swimming in--or encaged in is what I mean.


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Re: Entities? [Re: zzripz]
    #18735838 - 08/21/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have never encountered entities while on anything but have experienced paranormal instances while completely sober. This one evening before a lightning storm I saw a white orb/flash right in front of my eyes and at the same time my S.O was outside in the garden and saw the same thing as I but 2 times in the same moment. I told him what I saw and he said he experienced the same thing but wasn't going to mention anything until I told him what I saw. I think it really has to do with our perception and the light spectrum. Psychedelics seem to break down the barriers so we can see more of the light spectrum AKA other dimensions. Some people are more in tune with the universe whereas most people need to eat something to experience it.


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18735855 - 08/21/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yes, and a lot of my dmt trips i see things that i've seen before wether it was in my dream or real life and i sometimes see stuff that i used to inspire when i was young.


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Re: Entities? [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18736471 - 08/21/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The first time I took shrooms I'd heard that going into complete darkness was a cool thing to do on them so I went off to this out-of-the-way-room in the basement of the house.  I grabbed the door handle and a hand came and tried to drag me in.





Can you put a more detailed version of that?


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    #18738281 - 08/21/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I grasped the doorknob, a dark, clawed hand came through the door, clasped my hand, and pulled at me.  It didn't feel like the entity was necessarily malevolent, but obviously it made me nervous.  I feel like there was some sort of secret knowledge or entity or something tied to that location, that room.  I was on my come-up, maybe like 45 minutes into the trip, a 4.5 gram dose.  I don't think there's any more details I can give about that, since I didn't go in.

This article from erowid just came out and is HIGHLY relevant to this thread - basically it's an answer to all the questions in the first post.  If you're at all interested in this thread I really suggest you read it:

Aliens, Insectoids, and Elves! Oh My!


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Re: Entities? [Re: zzripz]
    #18739021 - 08/21/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dude if your not joking that shit is crazy you hadnt takein any drugs?


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    #18739081 - 08/21/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It's most common on smoked DMT.  Ayahuasca is probably the second best way to do it, followed by a heroic dose of shrooms (adding in some syrian rue also helps) and then salvia.  When you go into amphetamine psychosis supposedly meeting up with the "shadow people" is pretty common.  Peyote-using native americans believe in an entity called Mescalito, who I've heard contains and consists of the entirety of the peyote headspace, all trips past and present and then some.

People almost never meet entities on acid.  The first time I did it I had the distinct impression that there were none there.  I did have one friend who met a beautiful flying woman while candy flipping though.  People don't meet them on RC's generally either.  Basically the more natural and traditional the drug is the more entities seem to populate it.  But of course not everyone meets them, even if they manage to trip hard enough.




I find with acid YOU are the entity you're searching for. I think it could be due to its chemical and synthetic nature it doesn't come with any inherent entities. But allows you to be your own.


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    #18739103 - 08/21/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sometimes long messages in my head with no thoughts for hours
Not voices, sudden long sentences like being projected into me

Sometimes eyes everywhere in trips+messages
or entities a few times on LSD (looked human/alien), they talked telepatically, thought transfer

Usually first the eyes, then full faces, then full body entities

Got a description in my journal of some of it/the experience

The messages have always helped me greatly each time - always at the right time, or helped me help others often
Have learned from them each time

Some of them I'm still learning from, so they're not there yet, I don't see what they're about yet

I think it is good spirits trying to help, and sometimes after trips too
you will meet strangers coming to you to say just what you need to hear


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    #18739406 - 08/21/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

DMT- Blue dragon (8 grams MHRB tea with Rue + vaporized Bufotenine)

I saw a blue wavering line and zoomed out to show the brilliant blue body and head of the Dragon; which then turned to look at me.  I can't explain the feeling/information that was transferred but I felt privileged and in awe afterwards; quickly looked up the amazingly relevant symbolism of that specific creature and now tentatively feel like my back is covered by this friend/spirit animal.

Mushrooms - Curious ghost couple felt (GF saw them behind me - she was so scared she had trouble speaking of it till years later).  We were both on 3.5g, behind a rather rural (for CA) mountain town church at night.  There was also a helicopter which half-circled us and I felt empathetic/telepathic with; perhaps reading it's flight pattern and translating the meaning therefrom (no police would be visiting us).  I often do seem to conjure police/authority when tripping (for real); Like the army will call to interview for a friend or cops will shop up to serve some papers, etc... however it has always in a relatively positive manner however, blessedly.

An early mushroom trip (also 3.5g) I jumped up and declared to my friends that I would call in the insects and did a dance imagining I was a bug to attract them.  It worked beyond any doubt my friends were amazed and I as afraid and stopped; and we watched the small mass of flying insects dissipate.

LSD, 3 Datura seeds and Piracetam with smoked Caapi leaf - Upset/dark spirit in basement of old house; I saw shadows fliting behind from the corners of my eyes; the owners dog before me cowered; staring with wide eyes over my shoulder into the upper corner of this room: behind me.  I didn't turn around but consoled the dog as best I could- and "walked respectfully" for the remainder of my stay and trip... with the dog now stuck fast by my side throughout.

LSA- 22 seeds (Ethanol extract evaporated to resin) and 3 Datura seeds- A rotating colorful kaleidoscopic vortex passed through to a space with vaccum cleaner-faced cats and dancing elephants which then yielded to a psychedelicly colored chameleon.  These first were more like cartoons but could be symbolic for perhaps the fun and absurd energy of the seeds; the chameleon perhaps a warning of the sneakily sticky and dangerous side possibly contained by something beautiful (and psychedelic)... but also a reminder that the experience could also be valuable- like that very teaching.

Salvia- A couple bowls smoked extract- A tree in our backyard reaching to strangle me? It was mad we were throwing darts/ knives into it.
I never threw a sharp projectile at it again but it then became my partner in practicing stick-fighting and was good on me in future Salvia excursions.

Methyl Chavicol- I've got some weird little giddy mushroom type elves scattering from out of my periphery using Methyl chavicol aka Sweet Basil Extract.  This was purely a feeling/sense of them. 

-WHAT ARE THEY?-
I don't know if they are archetypes and subconscious helpful messages:or just a useless form of subconscious TV; if it is a tuning/channelling into various realms or other parts of the universe(s)- like some activated latent ability, or a drawing entities in or just attracting them in general being in our changed state.

I lean towards subconscious but don't discount something I'm not aware of exactly; either.  Like some great concrescence of Godmind that we all share that also has influence, glimpses of awareness into some fractal nature of reality etc etc.


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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Entities? [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #18739631 - 08/21/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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On a low dose, the entire space and place is made up of many different creatures and beings that are all one part of the same thing- hyperspace. But on a low dose one is like an ant gazing at the foot of an elephant, and as a result can not even comprehend what the elephant actually is!

What I mean to express is that a low dose of DMT will manifest only a low level or mere glimpse of small parts of the metaphysical universe, whereas a high dose will give one a much vaster, more wide angled comprehension of the universe and its inner workings as a whole.




Nicely put wolf8312!!!!



when smoking dmt previously my first couple of endevours felt as if i returned to some place ive been before...the transforming shapes and cataclysmic noises weren't so much disturbing as they were comforting in a strange way...i felt as if every morph of shape corresponded with a sound and every sound was some sort of message or more like a true feeling i was left up to decipher...

My initial thoughts on this were that from reading experience's and expecting a certain type of trip that i was "filling in the blanks from my subconscious" even though it feels so naturally unnatural and felt like the source was not from my mind...

however the strangest encounter was a breakthrough where i passed the usual colourful morphing and sounds to a silent endless marble courtyard with pillars that reached to the sky/ceiling/stars?? with no end... in the courtyard was what i can only describe as a judges dock...or actually was more like a sporting medal winners podium with one higher level and 2 lower levels but felt more like i was being judged...  on top of these 3 podiums were 3 "beings of light" or balls of energy which simultaneously shot beams of light through my pineal gland..

at this moment i could see not so pleasant memorys of me being not so nice in character being ripped out of the back of my skull and blown away...it was so overwhelming its hard to describe but i could see in 360 degrees vertically and horizontally all at once...I could see all!!! I was being shown the error of my ways in the past and the feeling of love is unlike anything ive ever experienced before or since!!!

Ive never tried ayauasca but for me this is the closest to some descriptions of it because it was like a rebirth at the time...all my shame and wrong doings were eliminated and forgiven...and i was shown there is potential!!!

so yeah..never particularly saw any of your "typical" mckenna self transforming machine elves or anything...but ive experienced beings of light and love...and as skeptical as i want to be i truly think they were from a higher realm then most of society will ever get the chance to experience

Not your average wk-end session haha


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Re: Entities? [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #18740758 - 08/22/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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An early mushroom trip (also 3.5g) I jumped up and declared to my friends that I would call in the insects and did a dance imagining I was a bug to attract them.  It worked beyond any doubt my friends were amazed and I as afraid and stopped; and we watched the small mass of flying insects dissipate.




I am finding a real rapport with insects in day to day life. Ie they seem to feel me. In the past I cringe when I think how I freaked out if a fly dared come into my space. But now I just get a glass and card, and they seem to know to allow me to put glass over them (they cant see glass) and then set them out to fly into the infinite. That is a wonderful feeling. Of helping a little being find freedom

The other day sat outside, one of those hover flies was checking out a pot plant, and I sent it some loving vibes saying 'hello'. next thing it showed me through body language that it was feeling me. It landed on the page of the book I was reading, then later the tip of my pen (I was wrting notes), and then gently touched me hand and groomed itself on my Tshirt :smile:


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Re: Entities? [Re: zzripz]
    #18740834 - 08/22/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I begin to peak with every "heroic" dose of mushrooms, I always encounter the same entities in the same sort of imaginary house. I can always count on them showing up, and me at some point being inside this house on my trips. They look like normal people, except their faces are always obscured, no matter how hard I try to focus in on them. There is never any communication, besides a comfortable feeling of familiarity. I also get the feeling as if I'm the one being observed by them. The craziest part is that house in which I see them is always the same: it's a basic two story house with a basement, always the same rooms and floor plan...I have vivid memories of the layout of the rooms by now. And this is not a recreation of a house I've been to physically.

My only encounter with other entities was once with two invisible figures whom I couldn't see, but could somehow clearly perceive otherwise while I was in a sort of mechanically complex elevator. These ones I did actually communicate with. I felt as if I was accelerating in a free fall both up and down at the same time, and I thought to myself, "Am I going up or down?" and they responded to my thought telepathically, "We're going in."


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Re: Entities? [Re: zzripz]
    #18741368 - 08/22/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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An early mushroom trip (also 3.5g) I jumped up and declared to my friends that I would call in the insects and did a dance imagining I was a bug to attract them.  It worked beyond any doubt my friends were amazed and I as afraid and stopped; and we watched the small mass of flying insects dissipate.




I am finding a real rapport with insects in day to day life. Ie they seem to feel me. In the past I cringe when I think how I freaked out if a fly dared come into my space. But now I just get a glass and card, and they seem to know to allow me to put glass over them (they cant see glass) and then set them out to fly into the infinite. That is a wonderful feeling. Of helping a little being find freedom

The other day sat outside, one of those hover flies was checking out a pot plant, and I sent it some loving vibes saying 'hello'. next thing it showed me through body language that it was feeling me. It landed on the page of the book I was reading, then later the tip of my pen (I was wrting notes), and then gently touched me hand and groomed itself on my Tshirt :smile:





I've had a very similar reaction, at first, to insects. After one trip in which flys made a large impact, I felt compelled to help them when they were trapped. I would put them in my hands, or in in a cup, and set them free. But over the years, I seem to have gotten lazy, whether it is me forgetting my revelation, or just becoming depressed at the endless amount of them. Even when you help one fly, there are thousands of them left to suffer. Kinda deterministic :frown:


Reminds me of the Starfish anecdote. http://www.ordinarypeoplechangetheworld.com/articles/the-starfish-story.aspx


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Re: Entities? [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18743123 - 08/22/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nice anecdote King Knowledge.

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Practice kindness. One of the common Buddhist practices is carrying a broom with them whenever they go to the mountains. They sweep their path in front of them in order to avoid stepping on plants and animals. They believe that every life form is precious. If you are beginning as a Buddhist, the broom carrying might not work for you now. You can apply kindness into other things in your life like being kind to your family, neighbors, friends, and strangers. If you see a spider, a cockroach, an ant, try to avoid hurting and killing them. They might be of no use inside your house, but they have lives too. They do their tasks, just like we do our own. They deserve to be there. Also, try helping the people in need. Be kind at all times, and you can see how much goodness it will bring to your life.



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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Entities? [Re: flickedbic]
    #18743167 - 08/22/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My only 100% entity contact no questions asked was on 1.8g mushroom and smoked 3-4 hits of DMT at the peak. I made it rain outside, then the rain stopped and on my wall I could see an outline forming, then pop out comes a golden holographic, solid light, and reflecting object the size of a dinner plate hover to me for 5 minutes or so and just stop 6 inches from my face. Now this spaceship WAS the trip..there was no swirling hallucinations around it or anything, that's an aspect that helps convince me of its legitimacy.

Anyway, then after 5 or so minutes I went out to touch the thing, as RIGHT as I was about to make contact with it, it slowly hovered away from me and went into the wall. All I could do was outstretch my arm and say to myself "nooooooooo"..then I slowly came down and was just absolutely in shock. I woke up my mom in the next room and made a fool of myself telling her I just met an alien. You know how that goes.


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Entities? [Re: zzripz]
    #18743290 - 08/22/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The most dramatic encounter I have had with entities was not on psychedelics but my second OBE. I had gotten out of bed after going to bed and sleeping and went to the toilet but couldn't piss.

I return to my bedroom. In utter shock I see my sleeping body, and on either side is a male and female who look human. They telepathically tell me not to be afraid, and then they escort me down the stairs.

I see the foront door is open and go out into the garden, and breathe in this amazing air of what is like the day just before sun comes up when the light hs this deep intensity

I return into the house and look in a mirror. I look WEIRD...

I go into the other room. I see two very close people to me.....there happens a VERY dramatic sexual encounter with one of them who has gone down on me..!! As I am screaming, the person sucking my dick and the other one who was just sat there both stand up, take off MASKS--the human faces I thought they were--and underneath they look like Satyrs



I do a U-turn on the spot. RACE up the stairs. Find bedroom, and dive into my sleeping body and was conscious going in!

As you can imagine this was a life-changing experience and the RIDDLE of it continues to unfold

What does it mean? it means that like ancient peoples knew there are different dimensions of experience. The culture we are oppressed under wants to control our consciousness so we are fixed to its agenda--being robotic slaves

On magic mushrooms I have seen little faeries with eyes shut which I later found out the Mazatec peoples call 'the duende' which has been translated as 'supernatural dwarves', but there are other translations, like 'spirits of the earth' etc etc.

Indigenous people and who lived in the country before the assault of modern life are more akin to encountering these dimensions which are in continuum with nature. Nature is a magical and sacred...

It is good to ask questions, but be aware of hidden premises. For example the culture we are in very much divides 'inner'--the psychological--from the 'outer', which mainstream science claims is dead/insentient random matter. So be aware of the myth your swimming in--or encaged in is what I mean.




When I was 12 i had my worst sleep paralysis
Saw a demon face through my bed window
It came into the room could feel it  felt evil
Full hallucinations  full body demon
Couldnt move or scream
Only move eyes
It sat on my chest and I coulf look it into its eyes but not scream
Couldnt breathe
Felt like eternity before I could move

Have since experienced it sleeping on my stomach too
Felt it come into the room  saw shadows
Felt it sit on my back
Can often feel it being in the kitchen etc in lds  feels like an evil presense
Usually see shadows and hear weird noises when it happens

Worse than my worst bad trip  that first SP


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Re: Entities? [Re: lessismore]
    #18743299 - 08/22/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Have you performed smudging?


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3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

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Re: Entities? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #18743429 - 08/22/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus_Animal_The said:
I woke up my mom in the next room and made a fool of myself telling her I just met an alien. You know how that goes.




Yup......:trippinballs: 

Nice experience though...sounds demented!!!

I had a friend who was on trippy pills when he was younger..decided to double drop for the first time and promptly went home to try and climb into the fridge..when his folks asked him what he was playing at??..he said he was trying to get into the interdimensional supermarket to get one of those beautiful fractal bottles of milk!!!!.... Folks called the doctor straight away..poor bastard was freaked!!!


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Re: Entities? [Re: Simple-Psyman]
    #18743740 - 08/22/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm in contact with entities everyday.  They won't leave me alone most of the time.  What do you want to know specifically?


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Re: Entities? [Re: Simple-Psyman]
    #18743876 - 08/22/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Simple-Psyman said:
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Jesus_Animal_The said:
I woke up my mom in the next room and made a fool of myself telling her I just met an alien. You know how that goes.




Yup......:trippinballs: 

Nice experience though...sounds demented!!!

I had a friend who was on trippy pills when he was younger..decided to double drop for the first time and promptly went home to try and climb into the fridge..when his folks asked him what he was playing at??..he said he was trying to get into the interdimensional supermarket to get one of those beautiful fractal bottles of milk!!!!.... Folks called the doctor straight away..poor bastard was freaked!!!




ahahahahah wow man that's hilarious!


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Entities? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18743911 - 08/22/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

HONESTLY, I was about to start a thread asking the same question. Only, I saw the entities you are asking about, and wanted to know if anyone else had a similar experience.

I posted a thread ("Tonight! Tonight!") about a week ago asking for some good vibes as I was about to embark on my first heroic dose alone and in the dark. I had eaten 10 grams a month earlier, so it wasnt the amount that made me nervous, just the being alone and in the dark.

Up until now, I was beginning to question any vivid hallucinations from mushrooms, as I had never really seen anything other than illumination of color and perhaps wavy objects, due to increase in light intake. HOWEVER, when I was alone in the dark, it was like a 3 hour DMT trip, and the first time I had ever encountered the entity, made up of infinite entities, which exists and actually is you (it reassures you of this all throughout the experience, but it does it by building conflict and then resolving it into nothingness; I said in my original thread that night "They have a barbaric sense of humor.")

It was indescribable...but very real, and I feel like, though my eyes were pinned shut, it felt like they were fully opened. It was ecstatic, and life-affirming.

The entities are very kind... but they will mess with you for their own amusement, and they can be easily seen or felt, whatever, from psilocybin... but you must be alone in the dark, and I would encourage, right when you feel it getting to the point (you will know; approx 1:15  - 2 hrs. in) start smoking herb, and you are catapulted into what it is the mushrooms are trying to show you. They are tools of evolution... but you must be willing to go it alone, in the dark... if ever want to get there.

FEEDBACK PLEASE! anyone who has seen or felt this experience.


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Re: Entities? [Re: treid2]
    #18744000 - 08/22/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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FEEDBACK PLEASE! anyone who has seen or felt this experience.




It seems I know exactly what you are talking about.  But, where the entities are tethered to me somehow and don't leave.  They are everywhere I go.  They claim they are Baphomet and that I am baphomet which is confusing all the while proclaiming that they are...  Christianity.  Angels and what not.

I know what you mean about their sense of humor.  They rarely stop.  Bad thing is they are like parasites feeding off the life force amassing what they can.  I feel drained allot of the time.

Do you go into it then sort of come down?  Or are you with them all of the time?


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Re: Entities? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18744484 - 08/22/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Has anyone experienced seeing and meeting with entities while sleeping/dreaming? That is where I have had my entity encounters.
I have come in contact with a reptilian being, who was interested in me romantically but the feelings were not mutual, and in that same dream there was a small grey alien with a buddha belly, he left because I pissed him off by hugging him too much.
I even had dreams as a child where I came in contact with a black shadow figure with eyes and no other visible features. I have also seen weird creatures morphing into disgusting silent hill like beasts, looking to feed on human flesh. IDK maybe they are just dreams but they are pretty vivid and surreal.


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Re: Entities? [Re: lessismore]
    #18744781 - 08/22/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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mio said:

When I was 12 i had my worst sleep paralysis
Saw a demon face through my bed window
It came into the room could feel it  felt evil
Full hallucinations  full body demon
Couldnt move or scream
Only move eyes
It sat on my chest and I coulf look it into its eyes but not scream
Couldnt breathe
Felt like eternity before I could move

Have since experienced it sleeping on my stomach too
Felt it come into the room  saw shadows
Felt it sit on my back
Can often feel it being in the kitchen etc in lds  feels like an evil presense
Usually see shadows and hear weird noises when it happens

Worse than my worst bad trip  that first SP




This has happened to me before but I couldn't see the entity because I was on my stomach. I woke up but was paralyzed and tried to scream but couldn't and I could feel pressure on my back like something or someone was sitting on me. I tried very hard to break through but couldn't. I woke up the next day not feeling rested at all. I think my house is haunted though, by three entities or ghosts or whatever, and have had many weird experiences and saw things that disturbed me.

Like someone else said, you should smudge your house or find someone who is a gifted  medium to cleanse your home. Nefarious entities will not go away unless you force them out, which can take a lot of mental strength to do so. They can overwhelm you and actually start being violent towards you.


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Re: Entities? [Re: treid2]
    #18745450 - 08/23/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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HONESTLY, I was about to start a thread asking the same question. Only, I saw the entities you are asking about, and wanted to know if anyone else had a similar experience.

I posted a thread ("Tonight! Tonight!") about a week ago asking for some good vibes as I was about to embark on my first heroic dose alone and in the dark. I had eaten 10 grams a month earlier, so it wasnt the amount that made me nervous, just the being alone and in the dark.

Up until now, I was beginning to question any vivid hallucinations from mushrooms, as I had never really seen anything other than illumination of color and perhaps wavy objects, due to increase in light intake. HOWEVER, when I was alone in the dark, it was like a 3 hour DMT trip, and the first time I had ever encountered the entity, made up of infinite entities, which exists and actually is you (it reassures you of this all throughout the experience, but it does it by building conflict and then resolving it into nothingness; I said in my original thread that night "They have a barbaric sense of humor.")

It was indescribable...but very real, and I feel like, though my eyes were pinned shut, it felt like they were fully opened. It was ecstatic, and life-affirming.

The entities are very kind... but they will mess with you for their own amusement, and they can be easily seen or felt, whatever, from psilocybin... but you must be alone in the dark, and I would encourage, right when you feel it getting to the point (you will know; approx 1:15  - 2 hrs. in) start smoking herb, and you are catapulted into what it is the mushrooms are trying to show you. They are tools of evolution... but you must be willing to go it alone, in the dark... if ever want to get there.

FEEDBACK PLEASE! anyone who has seen or felt this experience.




Please link me to your "tonight tonight" post please?


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Re: Entities? [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18745883 - 08/23/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Has anyone experienced seeing and meeting with entities while sleeping/dreaming?




I've had the experience of the dream characters becoming the entities that I interact with upon waking.


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Re: Entities? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18749885 - 08/24/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
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Has anyone experienced seeing and meeting with entities while sleeping/dreaming?




I've had the experience of the dream characters becoming the entities that I interact with upon waking.



That's why I think dreams are significant because your brain releases DMT while in REM sleep, so maybe we are going to other dimensions while sleeping.


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Re: Entities? [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18750026 - 08/24/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OmniDimensional said:
Has anyone experienced seeing and meeting with entities while sleeping/dreaming? That is where I have had my entity encounters.
I have come in contact with a reptilian being, who was interested in me romantically but the feelings were not mutual, and in that same dream there was a small grey alien with a buddha belly, he left because I pissed him off by hugging him too much.
I even had dreams as a child where I came in contact with a black shadow figure with eyes and no other visible features. I have also seen weird creatures morphing into disgusting silent hill like beasts, looking to feed on human flesh. IDK maybe they are just dreams but they are pretty vivid and surreal.




yes.

i've had multiple dreams, very vivid, with grey aliens. a ufo landed in my neighborhood, and i walked into the saucer, nobody there. then a tall grey alien steps inside with negative intimidating energy, and i black out in my dream.

another ufo spotting, i scream at the spaceship in anger telling them to reveal themselves because i know they exist, and the spaceship blasts off. i turn around and standing in front of me is a small, short grey alien with a big head a bit of a buddha belly. we communicated telepathically, and he was very friendly. he showed me inside his craft. once he told me he had to go, i told him that i needed to prove to the world that they exist. he handed me a piece of his craft.

have had countless dreams with ufo sightings as well, but no entity contact during most of them

met god and the devil in one dream, very vivid

never met any other entities

in my waking life, i have witnessed multiple ufos over the years, and when i say ufos, i mean what the abbreviation stands for. however, some of them were virtually unexplainable, and happened at opportune moments and in areas of desolation. for example, my most recent sighting was when i was lighting a bowl of dmt for my girlfriend's first dmt experience...as soon as she laid back, i saw a cloaked figure in the sky appear and burst into a ball of fire and shoot out of the atmosphere, and yes, i was sober. it's like they were saying, "follow me!"

i've seen a wormhole too, but i digress. most, if not all, of my sightings were when i was sober. saw multiple ufos while in rehab in the middle of the desert on multiple occasions. it was a notorious ufo hotspot.

oh, and i've seen an entity hover above me in the dark when i was praying for my migraine to go away. sensed an angel, maybe jesus, but i don't know. no i'm not catholic or religious, but i was raised as such


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Re: Entities? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
    #18761426 - 08/26/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I guess I just have to try it cuz man it sounds crazy and I will not understand till I go there so soon I shall do it.


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18761785 - 08/26/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's why I think dreams are significant because your brain releases DMT while in REM sleep, so maybe we are going to other dimensions while sleeping.




There's no evidence to back up this claim bud, and you only need to compare the experience of sleep and DMT to know that it simply isn't true!

Seeing an alien or some other creature whilst asleep is quite different to the DMT experience. I've seen giants and witches and even strange creatures whilst asleep as a child for sure, but this is not what we are talking about in regards to entity contact with a psychedelic such as DMT!


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    #18762129 - 08/27/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ive been smoking DiMiTri for many years now and it never fails to surprise me haha.....finished my first batch of changa this week though,.....

and because it was my birthday tonight i had a blastOFF tonight with a good friend to judge it!!!.......hehe it was unreal....but we all know that!!! I went back to the same place i left off awhile back but with more of a welcoming feeling!!! Almost like...."we've missed you.................welcome back!!!!.....here's what you need to know....BANG whoosh BING whash.....diddley bang whallop and such"

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    #18762949 - 08/27/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's why I think dreams are significant because your brain releases DMT while in REM sleep, so maybe we are going to other dimensions while sleeping.




There's no evidence to back up this claim bud, and you only need to compare the experience of sleep and DMT to know that it simply isn't true!

Seeing an alien or some other creature whilst asleep is quite different to the DMT experience. I've seen giants and witches and even strange creatures whilst asleep as a child for sure, but this is not what we are talking about in regards to entity contact with a psychedelic such as DMT!




IDK man, I have had some pretty crazy dreams in the past. I feel like I have made contact with entities and even other human beings from another dimension. I've had apocalyptic dreams that felt so real. I have even been killed in a dream by an extra dimensional being and awoke in a forest, I found a cabin where there were people sitting down meditating and as I approached them I told them I had died and wanted to know what happened, they began to tell me but I don't remember what was said.

I think it is different for everyone. You don't have to do DMT or any drug to go to other dimensions. I am sure other people know what I am talking about. Dreams that are so real it makes you question why you are even here in this reality to begin with. That is what I am talking about.


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    #18765753 - 08/27/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel like I have made contact with entities and even other human beings from another dimension. I've had apocalyptic dreams that felt so real. I have even been killed in a dream by an extra dimensional being and awoke in a forest, I found a cabin where there were people sitting down meditating and as I approached them I told them I had died and wanted to know what happened, they began to tell me but I don't remember what was said.


 

I think to compare them in any way detracts from the infinite enormity of the hyperspace experience. For me it always seems as if the experience is impossible to explain for a reason. You can -in awestruck horror- understand whilst its happening, but you cannot take this understanding home with you, to explain to your friends!

And so you return!

Because however it is something so way beyond anything you know your own feeble imagination could possibly have imagined, there is a strong sense that the experience must have had to come from somewhere else! I couldn't have made that up because the experience itself is impossible even now afterwards to comprehend.

A dream about walking through the woods and meeting a strange creature on the other hand could quite easily be explained as merely a mental creation of the mind. Not to say I haven't had dreams that bordered on the supernatural myself, but lets be clear that the two experiences sleep and hyperspace are almost literally light years apart!

Of course because I cant adequately explain to you just how incredible and unimaginable hyperspace is, naturally people will say well you saw aliens and I also saw aliens so whats the difference?

Hyperspace is referred to as a different dimension on account of the fact that it genuinely is, in that it is like nothing the user will have seen or could possibly have imagined possible beforehand or even afterwards! This is in itself what gives it its own reality and validity.

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You don't have to do DMT or any drug to go to other dimensions.





Maybe not, some people reckon the UFO experiences people report were similar to DMT experiences but all I am saying is lets not take something like a DMT experience, and cheapen it by comparing it to a dream!

Ive had plenty of crazy weird and wonderful dreams for sure but to put them in the same bracket as some of my experiences in hyperspace for me would be a massive simplification of something breathtakingly and indeed mind bogglingly complex!

It kind of distracts from the debate as to whether or not hyperspace is a genuine metaphysical reality or not, or simply a construct of the mind. Many people who haven't been to hyperspace do try to dismiss the whole thing out of hand believing erroneously that when people encounter all these aliens and entities, the experience is no more than a simple dream-state. What they misunderstand is the frightening and ferocious complexity, an experience beyond the human limits of imagination and even possibility itself. This is something much more difficult to dismiss!

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I am sure other people know what I am talking about. Dreams that are so real it makes you question why you are even here in this reality to begin with. That is what I am talking about.




Yes I don't mean to rubbish your experiences, dreams can indeed be crazy, but I think someone should make clear bud that we're talking about two very different things here, and the entities/machines/aliens one will encounter in hyperspace are of a much different order to the creatures one may encounter in a dream.

I might be wrong of course but I don't think this thread was started with the intention of discussing dreams and all kinds of different hallucinations, but the phenomenon of entity contact with substances such as DMT, or mushrooms. Were the former case true we might as well just lump Datura hallucinations in with the entities of hyperspace! Again I think that would really only serve to utterly cheapen the experience!


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Re: Entities? [Re: wolf8312]
    #18766106 - 08/27/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would have to disagree with you. What is hyperspace? What is a dream? Are your dreams the same as my dreams? Is your perspective the same as my perspective? There are many unexplained things in this reality that you cannot just dismiss what we do know of how the human brain functions and how we perceive reality. Our brain naturally produces DMT, psilocybin, THC, and many other alkaloids. Why is it our brain naturally produces these?
A psychedelic experience is some what like a dream, it can be profound and you may not remember exactly what happened. So who is to say that a dream is not your brain tripping while you are asleep? And during that trip you go to other realms of consciousness.
All I am saying is that the human mind is complex and has barriers that keeps us here in this reality and when you eat some fungus or whatever it breaks down those barriers, and this could also be achieved while sleeping, since these compounds are being released during REM sleep.
Dreams may not seem that mind blowing to people since  we have all been sleeping and dreaming since we came out of the womb. When you eat psychedelics it takes you above and beyond what your brain can do naturally, also, you are wide awake during the trip, not asleep.
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Re: Entities? [Re: OmniDimensional]
    #18766225 - 08/27/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I would have to disagree with you. What is hyperspace?




Honestly bud this is what you first need to find out!


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What is a dream? Are your dreams the same as my dreams? Is your perspective the same as my perspective? There are many unexplained things in this reality that you cannot just dismiss what we do know of how the human brain functions and how we perceive reality. Our brain naturally produces DMT, psilocybin, THC, and many other alkaloids. Why is it our brain naturally produces these?




Can you please give me the source for these claims cause as far as I am aware its simply speculation! http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3146. If our brain was churning out all those chemicals in amounts that were enough to have any effect whatsoever nobody would ever need to buy them!

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A psychedelic experience is some what like a dream, it can be profound and you may not remember exactly what happened. So who is to say that a dream is not your brain tripping while you are asleep?




A dream is nothing like tripping unless maybe one dreams he is tripping and even then its never the same as actually tripping. I've had some terrible nightmarish flashback dreams but these were all the result of a psychotically bad trip!


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    #18766237 - 08/27/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The whole experience is just mind blowing and just almost to deep for the human mind to grasp. Maybe one day we we full see the truth.


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    #18766398 - 08/27/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Uhmmm
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When you eat psychedelics it takes you above and beyond what your brain can do naturally, also, you are wide awake during the trip, not asleep.




This reality is different for everyone. You have to eat psychedelics to trip, I can just fall asleep and go to another dimension. The complexity of just the individual varies, so not everyone experiences anything exactly the same. I have fallen through space and time. My experience of hyperspace is different from yours. It may not have been like your experiences but it doesn't make it less significant. Don't get me wrong, I love psychedelics, especially shrooms. :mushroom2:

I am just saying I don't believe you absolutely need to eat anything to come in contact with entities, sometimes it just happens, awake or not.


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    #18766498 - 08/27/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But take your statement here below-

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Has anyone experienced seeing and meeting with entities while sleeping/dreaming? That is where I have had my entity encounters.




This tells me by your own admission that your only encounter of 'entity contact' has been whilst asleep and that you haven't actually gone deep enough into the DMT or psychedelic experience to have encountered the entities that inhabit hyperspace.

That being so how can you even begin to understand or compare the two experiences, much less state that they are basically the same thing! How can you know where I myself am coming from, if you've never actually seen psychedelically induced hyperspace for yourself?

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This reality is different for everyone. You have to eat psychedelics to trip, I can just fall asleep and go to another dimension.




:smile:But buddy you're talking about dreaming! Sure metaphorically I too enter into a different dimension every night but we do not enter into hyperspace or anything like hyperspace when we enter into sleep. Take again your statement below-

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I have also seen weird creatures morphing into disgusting silent hill like beasts, looking to feed on human flesh. IDK maybe they are just dreams but they are pretty vivid and surreal.




These entities you have described here could quite easily be explained as a computer game (silent hill) exerting subconscious influence over your dreams. This isn't what we are talking about in regards to the ineffable entities of the kind one will encounter in hyperspace- they are just dreams!

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My experience of hyperspace is different from yours




But with respect bud you don't seem to have any conception of what hyperspace actually is! You cant say that your experience is equal to hyperspace if you've never actually been there surely?


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    #18766647 - 08/27/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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But take your statement here below-

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Has anyone experienced seeing and meeting with entities while sleeping/dreaming? That is where I have had my entity encounters.




This tells me by your own admission that your only encounter of 'entity contact' has been whilst asleep and that you haven't actually gone deep enough into the DMT or psychedelic experience to have encountered the entities that inhabit hyperspace.

That being so how can you even begin to understand or compare the two experiences, much less state that they are basically the same thing! How can you know where I myself am coming from, if you've never actually seen psychedelically induced hyperspace for yourself?

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This reality is different for everyone. You have to eat psychedelics to trip, I can just fall asleep and go to another dimension.




:smile:But buddy you're talking about dreaming! Sure metaphorically I too enter into a different dimension every night but we do not enter into hyperspace or anything like hyperspace when we enter into sleep. Take again your statement below-

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I have also seen weird creatures morphing into disgusting silent hill like beasts, looking to feed on human flesh. IDK maybe they are just dreams but they are pretty vivid and surreal.




These entities you have described here could quite easily be explained as a computer game (silent hill) exerting subconscious influence over your dreams. This isn't what we are talking about in regards to the ineffable entities of the kind one will encounter in hyperspace- they are just dreams!

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My experience of hyperspace is different from yours




But with respect bud you don't seem to have any conception of what hyperspace actually is! You cant say that your experience is equal to hyperspace if you've never actually been there surely?




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You do not get what I am saying. I just said you don't  have to take something to meet entities! You don't know anything about me and I am being pretty selective in what I am sharing about myself. My entity experiences were much more intense and I am not going to try and describe it all to you in detail. There are a lot of other people who can relate to what I am saying and that is why I asked.


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    #18766698 - 08/28/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Will leave it at that then as you're right there's no sense in going round in circles, I don't think I will ever convince you! Dream on buddy!


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    #18766728 - 08/28/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:


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    #18766806 - 08/28/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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:rolleyes:




:rolleyes::rolleyes: Does this mean I win?


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    #18770201 - 08/28/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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FEEDBACK PLEASE! anyone who has seen or felt this experience.




It seems I know exactly what you are talking about.  But, where the entities are tethered to me somehow and don't leave.  They are everywhere I go.  They claim they are Baphomet and that I am baphomet which is confusing all the while proclaiming that they are...  Christianity.  Angels and what not.

I know what you mean about their sense of humor.  They rarely stop.  Bad thing is they are like parasites feeding off the life force amassing what they can.  I feel drained allot of the time.

Do you go into it then sort of come down?  Or are you with them all of the time?



Good angels are not pranksters or tricky and they do not feed and drain your energy .You are have yourself a dark one and are going to need get rid of it.


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    #18770353 - 08/28/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lol Tripping can feel very dreamy and feel dream like but dreaming does feel like tripping .


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    #18772216 - 08/29/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

First time i smoked DMT i was in my drive way and all the oak trees kind of came together to form these giant walking creatures and they were everywhere, I also saw angles in the sky.

With mushrooms i don't really see the entities, sometimes i do see a dark glimpse of them, but they for sure communicate to me.

With ayahuasca they kind of just manifest themselves out of thin air, that drug is by far the most visually stunning thing you can experience. eyes bugging out of your head because you are staring at the most beautiful visual effects.

First time on aya I saw an african stick spirit? form in my corner of the room right as i closed the door to the bedroom. Then i laid down on the bed and soon 2 giant purple goddesses began to wash me and hold me in their lap.

Iboga entity contact is more like just talking to another person, nothing really very psychedelic about it. I talked to for hours and hours on my iboga flood to many different people.
 
now if i could just have some contact on mescaline. Mescaline is like the last drug i need to try, i have had plenty of phens RCs but never understood how people could think of them anymore then an novelty drug.


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    #18775038 - 08/29/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I felt like I was being attempted to be a channel through which they could communicate from. Felt like my mind was bending outward from the inside. Wierd.


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    #18776682 - 08/30/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

oh and salvia entities, thats something else. I always see lady salvia herself and she has like an army with her. Her army stand ontop of each other and get into weird positions, and there positions become normal things like the couch or the walls or the flowers. salvia always shows me what that our reality is actually made of little people that hold together to make themselves appear as mundane objects.


salvia is some weird shit, i cant wait to try chewing it like the indians of mexico did.


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    #18777351 - 08/30/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Are you serious saliva can show entities and other realms too is this common ?


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    #18781375 - 08/31/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lots of people report seeing lady salvia

lots of people report seeing father iboga

lots of people report seeing ayahuasca as a female

all of these can be seen with a single dose, just have respect and take these drugs alone in complete darkness


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    #18782509 - 08/31/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Are these only cevs or can entity be seen with oevs?


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    #18782567 - 08/31/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The most consistent, most vivid entity/entity's world contact comes through DMT, yes.  If you break through a couple of times almost everyone meets them.  If you've only got access to shrooms like I said buying some syrian rue and taking a heroic dose alongside some is your best bet.

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drugs a fucked up and entities in that sense are just figments of are creative imagination. that's what i believe




I like to believe that they're real in the sense that they're fully conscious beings that just happen to live in your head the same way you do, just briefly.




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    #18783977 - 09/01/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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lots of people report seeing lady salvia

lots of people report seeing father iboga

lots of people report seeing ayahuasca as a female

all of these can be seen with a single dose, just have respect and take these drugs alone in complete darkness




I hope that is sarcasm lol. That would scare the living shit out of me.


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    #18785515 - 09/01/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

no sarcasm
if you take a heroic dose you should start to feel the presence of very strange beings.

usually when i take a heroic dose in silent darkness i cant tell if my eyes are open or close. dream and reality blend together. You find that your consciousness exist on many different levels, currently we are stuck on the physical level because we have been on this earth for a while and we have learned to protect our bodies. But now the monkey brain is awakening to the fact that our lives are not in immediate danger 99% of the time, so we can start exploring the metaphysical realities.

If you dont have elves in the attic you didnt take enough or didnt do something right. just my opinion based on my experience. Its the most fascinating aspect of the psychedelic experience to me. I can meet and talk to these trans human and incredibly alien beings. They approach me and tell me they are from other planets, from the space between space, and ect... At the end of the day I cant prove their existence and i dont know if im just talking to myself or what. Maybe parts of our own psyche have become some alienated that when we meet them face to fact we assume they are aliens or self transforming machine elves. But i dont think that really matters anymore. Fact of the matter is they exist somewhere and they are trying to tell us something very important.

I believe they are trying to assist us in evolving our language.


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    #18785633 - 09/01/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ti have seen multiple entities

On dmt i have seen hundreds of light beings, regular looming people( some looking like aztecs) and a bald man with eyeballs on his shoulders and arms. Also always a female presence( like the one who runs for world) and sometimes i actually see her and once i saw a triangular purple demon and the face of evil


On ayahuasca i heard a little girl crying and heard saw 2 men arguing in a weird language

On mushrooms i have seen big green muscular men chanting and doing a weird dance together, short people with masks that had designs, and visions of humans dying


4acodmt i saw people drowning and Jesus melting off the cross ( i am not religious)


On lsd i have seen Indian men(like from the amazon) grabbing and eating small animals and i saw buddha losing his mind and then i realized i was everyone and everything that has ever and will ever exist


I always hear a voice talking to me but only on lsd does it feel like its coming from inside me


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    #18785649 - 09/01/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh and lets not forget lsa and salvia

Lsa i saw a man climbing out of my skull as i was laying down unable to move


Salvia i kept seeing these 2 beings ( male and female realtime my parents) inviting me to go deeper the first few times then i saw a brown one eyed alien then i became a square and eventually was eaten by a clown while i.was a roller coaster and i came back and all i had to show for it was a nasty headache and burning sensation


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    #18786922 - 09/01/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't all of this scare you? I feel like I would be overwhelmed.


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    #18786998 - 09/01/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the fact that it scares you is your grantee that you are doing something right.

sure low doses of psychedelics are fun, 3 grams of mushrooms makes you laugh and see patterns behind your eyelids. 2 hits of lsd makes you jive a interesting conversation. small dose of ayahuasca brings out dancing mice and what not.

but if you want to take psychedelics seriously, then you are going to get very frightened. Every time i dose i say to myself, "oh shit, i really did it, im not coming back from this". If you want that life changing experience then you need to be confronted with the possibility of death/insanity. This is not for everyone, only the brave and adventurous should dive deep into the psychedelic experience. And dive deep after doing your research on the drug.

If you want to see self transforming machine elves, aliens and spirits then you must be ready to give yourself fully to the drug. I say a little prayer every time i drink ayahuasca, a prayer to ayahusca, i say "please dont destroy, i hold nothing back and give myself to you all the way". She has dragged me through horror before but I find the more terrifying the experience the more i get out of it.

yes, this shit is very scary. you are going into uncharted territory.

yes, you will be overwhelmed. You will think you are dying or losing your mind.


but with the proper respect and intellect you will come out the other side with something to share. Your experience is unique and you can help us paint this invisible landscape.


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Re: Entities? [Re: clemens]
    #18788056 - 09/02/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can Salvia entities be seen through oevs?
I plan on getting some, (doing it the right way in silent darkness)

any advice?
probably gonna get 20x


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Re: Entities? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18788942 - 09/02/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if you want to experience salvia the right way then read into how it was traditionally used in mexico.

They didn't smoke the plant, they chewed it. Chewing it allows the chemicals to absorb through the lining of your mouth, sublingualy.

Salvia is a very powerful, very strange and in my experience not so friendly. Lady salvia didn't seem to welcome me into her realm like the beings i have met when smoking dmt. She seemed to play tricks on me and turned reality into a flip book.

here is a video by Kathleen Harrison on salvia, i recommend you watch all the videos she has on youtube about salvia. Then i recommend you grow it yourself. While it is growing i recommend you comb the web for all information on the drug. Buy some books by richard evan schultes, he has some information about the drug as well.



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Re: Entities? [Re: allseeingike]
    #18792361 - 09/02/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Were these visions oevs? cevs


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Re: Entities? [Re: Lucid_Pupil]
    #18793310 - 09/03/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Doesn't all of this scare you? I feel like I would be overwhelmed.





its scary as shit but you are tripping so hard that it doesnt matter anymore




and its always oev for me


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Re: Entities? [Re: Lucid_Pupil]
    #18793373 - 09/03/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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clemens said:
lots of people report seeing lady salvia

lots of people report seeing father iboga

lots of people report seeing ayahuasca as a female

all of these can be seen with a single dose, just have respect and take these drugs alone in complete darkness




I hope that is sarcasm lol. That would scare the living shit out of me.




Why? It's one of the most beautiful things ever. I've never encountered a dark entity.

To answer OP, it's like they bridge the gap between our world and the next. But you experience them in this reality. In low doses it can be just visual or even just a presence. In high doses they're real as it gets. Fully interactive, transmitting thoughts and knowledge telepathically


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Re: Entities? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18794066 - 09/03/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So saliva can show you oevs and give you as much insight as dmt ?

How are the oevs on dmt compared to saliva are they very real like oevs or only entities seen by cevs?


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18794166 - 09/03/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I distinguish between two kinds of entities: the memories, and the creations.

In my trips I often hear and see the presence of people I know or have known in my life. They appear to speak in the same voice as usual and are often just replaying old memories. It's not quite the same as just reliving a memory, it's more like they are individually there, acting their parts in that particular memory. It is weird to describe but this is what most people have regularly it seems.

Then there are the creations, the entities that are completely new to you and seem to exist in a more sovereign state. They can communicate with you in a more verbose way and sometimes give you insights or advice.

To compare, I often have memories on something like LSD or 25i but I only get creations on DMT.

But apart from being raped by them and then having the weirdest sex with some intergalactic godly women, I'm afraid I didn't get the chance to receive a lot of enlightenment from them  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Entities? [Re: jonnymushroom]
    #18795249 - 09/03/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So saliva can show you oevs and give you as much insight as dmt ?

How are the oevs on dmt compared to saliva are they very real like oevs or only entities seen by cevs?



Salvia does come with OEVs but the drug is very different from DMT.

DMT is sharp crystallize visuals, audible hallucinations and the feeling of being shot out of a psychedelic cannon into hyperspace. (feels more real then real life)

Salvia is more like a weird dream? Feels like you fall into a diagonal flip book of reality. Been a really long time since i have done salvia but i also remember it made me sweat really hard and the pins and needle feeling all over my body.

but when you smoke dmt or salvia you cant really tell if your eyes are open or not. The entities can be seen with your eyes open or eyes shut. I know for sure because people that watched me told me i had my eyes open when I smoked a break through dose of dmt and was absolutely completely submerged in hyperspace with an elf on the end of each arm.


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Re: Entities? [Re: excalibur127]
    #18799902 - 09/04/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow thats great stuff man, well not the part about being raped thats a little messed up.


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Re: Entities? [Re: zzripz]
    #18819911 - 09/09/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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HONESTLY, I was about to start a thread asking the same question. Only, I saw the entities you are asking about, and wanted to know if anyone else had a similar experience.

I posted a thread ("Tonight! Tonight!") about a week ago asking for some good vibes as I was about to embark on my first heroic dose alone and in the dark. I had eaten 10 grams a month earlier, so it wasnt the amount that made me nervous, just the being alone and in the dark.

Up until now, I was beginning to question any vivid hallucinations from mushrooms, as I had never really seen anything other than illumination of color and perhaps wavy objects, due to increase in light intake. HOWEVER, when I was alone in the dark, it was like a 3 hour DMT trip, and the first time I had ever encountered the entity, made up of infinite entities, which exists and actually is you (it reassures you of this all throughout the experience, but it does it by building conflict and then resolving it into nothingness; I said in my original thread that night "They have a barbaric sense of humor.")

It was indescribable...but very real, and I feel like, though my eyes were pinned shut, it felt like they were fully opened. It was ecstatic, and life-affirming.

The entities are very kind... but they will mess with you for their own amusement, and they can be easily seen or felt, whatever, from psilocybin... but you must be alone in the dark, and I would encourage, right when you feel it getting to the point (you will know; approx 1:15  - 2 hrs. in) start smoking herb, and you are catapulted into what it is the mushrooms are trying to show you. They are tools of evolution... but you must be willing to go it alone, in the dark... if ever want to get there.

FEEDBACK PLEASE! anyone who has seen or felt this experience.




Please link me to your "tonight tonight" post please?




Let me know what you think.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18696060


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Re: Entities? [Re: treid2]
    #18819973 - 09/09/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It usually feels like some loving/caring entity, on lsd/shrooms

and like it knows you, and other people well

the messages it gives you are always at the right time to evolve from
important messages

and also messages that work for other people often

i.e. how to focus your attention to be happy
or how to cure yourself if you are physically sick and have been sick for a long time with nothing working, then that worked
or god thoughts sometimes on lsd

after being in trance you often know what to say to other people to help, feels like you know them

but no words can describe, I just find that it is often after the experience something communicates through me it feels like, when trying to help others


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Re: Entities? [Re: lessismore]
    #18820129 - 09/09/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mio said:
It usually feels like some loving/caring entity, on lsd/shrooms

and like it knows you, and other people well

the messages it gives you are always at the right time to evolve from
important messages

and also messages that work for other people often

i.e. how to focus your attention to be happy
or how to cure yourself if you are physically sick and have been sick for a long time with nothing working, then that worked
or god thoughts sometimes on lsd

after being in trance you often know what to say to other people to help, feels like you know them

but no words can describe, I just find that it is often after the experience something communicates through me it feels like, when trying to help others




Completely agree... nobody will ever find the right words to describe the voyage. I'm an English major and the voyage has caused me to believe, at least when I'm on the voyage, that communication (words etc) is the FIRST source of all confusion... the fact that words will never suffice but we believe they will in daily culture.

But, the poet knows this... he knows words do not suffice, and yet he still tries to find the words that will suffice... it is the paradox of his existence.


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