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I Need Kung Fu
    #18734441 - 08/20/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and I need it to be strong.

Im hoping i could get some advice on how to start where to go, what to look for and what to look out for.
I will need my practice in the arts to be tailored to me, because of physical limitations.


I have an injury to my chest that leaves me vulnerable to great injury or death if a situation ever arouse, so i have a no fucking around intention. It is my desire to be able to strike with lethal force and precision, break bones, dislocate joints or stop vital functions if necessary to effectively stop a threat within a few seconds.

This is not a blood lust or desire to inflict undue harm.
I don't go looking for trouble and I never have.
I value the mental and spiritual aspect of the arts and have respect for that.
Because of my physical condition any threat towards me becomes much more urgent and potentially devastating and is why I am morally sound in this approach.

I can't risk fist fights, being push or wrestling and i wont.
If a situation ever came up I would have to protect my head and chest and deliver one or two devastating strike very fast.
I Live in south east MI and can afford maybe $150 to $200 but that's pushing the financial limit.

Thanks for any help in figuring this out, there is a lot of misinformation out there and my situation is slightly unique, I don't want to waste my money or efforts doing something that would be unsuited for me or impractical in real life.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden] * 1
    #18734466 - 08/20/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18734470 - 08/20/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Beside the Garden said:
and I need it to be strong.

Im hoping i could get some advice on how to start where to go, what to look for and what to look out for.
I will need my practice in the arts to be tailored to me, because of physical limitations.


I have an injury to my chest that leaves me vulnerable to great injury or death if a situation ever arouse, so i have a no fucking around intention. It is my desire to be able to strike with lethal force and precision, break bones, dislocate joints or stop vital functions if necessary to effectively stop a threat within a few seconds.

This is not a blood lust or desire to inflict undue harm.
I don't go looking for trouble and I never have.
I value the mental and spiritual aspect of the arts and have respect for that.
Because of my physical condition any threat towards me becomes much more urgent and potentially devastating and is why I am morally sound in this approach.

I can't risk fist fights, being push or wrestling and i wont.
If a situation ever came up I would have to protect my head and chest and deliver one or two devastating strike very fast.
I Live in south east MI and can afford maybe $150 to $200 but that's pushing the financial limit.

Thanks for any help in figuring this out, there is a lot of misinformation out there and my situation is slightly unique, I don't want to waste my money or efforts doing something that would be unsuited for me or impractical in real life.





My knowledge is shallow but I will say you may want to look into Goju-Ryu Karate. Around these parts, that's the kind where it's less about dance move type shit and much more about "Here are practical ways to DISABLE or even kill threats".

Food for thought, but you'll get some more and better replies... we have a lot of martial artists on here actually! :psychsplit:


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18734554 - 08/20/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Six words: five point palm exploding heart technique





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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: st1llnox]
    #18734598 - 08/20/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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st1llnox said:

Food for thought, but you'll get some more and better replies... we have a lot of martial artists on here actually! :psychsplit:




Yeah there is :smile:. I have seen the caterpillar from Alice In Wonder Land on here and he seams to really know his stuff im planning on PM him if i can find him.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18734607 - 08/20/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I have seen the caterpillar from Alice In Wonder Land on here and he seams to really know his stuff im planning on PM him if i can find him.



I think his name is acaterpillar

I could have spelt it wrong u'll figure it out


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Sheekle]
    #18734621 - 08/20/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: that is his name, thanks!


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18734641 - 08/20/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've done Aikido for many years. It's pretty awesome too. You should check it out if there's a dojo in your area. It changed my life. Let me know if you have any questions about it. Just got home from an Aikido class.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18734799 - 08/20/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)


Aikido That looks good because i really cant allow hands on me or get into a lengthy fight, to much risk for me. What is the cost of a months worth of class (roughly) and what should i look for and best avoid.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18734809 - 08/20/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Most dojos are probably gonna run between 50 and 100 bucks a month. There are several different styles of Aikido. You might do a little research to find out what the differences are and what appeals to you, as well as simply what is available to you in your area that will fit your schedule.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18734839 - 08/20/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:shocked: That's pretty cheap!
Looks like a starting point thank you.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18734871 - 08/20/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a sample of my sensei teaching. I'm actually in this video at the very end in the back.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18735057 - 08/20/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I see him extend his hand in what i would take as a good job hand shake and would probably loose my arm:lol:.

About the end, I don't see myself being a good sparing partner because i already have an injury, I mean i fell off a chair in the garage the other day and im fine because of how i rolled with it but the repeated abuse is something im leery of.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18735073 - 08/20/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wing Chun, Praying Mantis, and White Crane would all be good candidates.

Wing Chun is the most practical, and fastest to learn. It's actually a direct descendant from Southern Shaolin (Modern day Hung Gar).

Basically, a bunch of Shaolin masters had a council where they made a new style that contained only the most bare essential techniques that could be taught in a way to be mastered in only 5 years.
For contrast, Hung Gar often takes 15 years to master.

What area do you live in?
I could help you search for a good Traditional Chinese Martial Arts school.
Honestly, if you can find a good teacher, then any style should suffice.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18735117 - 08/20/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the reply Acaterpiller.
If you would help me find a place that would be really nice of you, i read from one of your older posts that there is lineage, something i know nothing about and dont want to walk into what someone on here called a McDojo.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18735310 - 08/21/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Wing Chun, Praying Mantis, and White Crane would all be good candidates.

Wing Chun is the most practical, and fastest to learn. It's actually a direct descendant from Southern Shaolin (Modern day Hung Gar).

Basically, a bunch of Shaolin masters had a council where they made a new style that contained only the most bare essential techniques that could be taught in a way to be mastered in only 5 years.
For contrast, Hung Gar often takes 15 years to master.

What area do you live in?
I could help you search for a good Traditional Chinese Martial Arts school.
Honestly, if you can find a good teacher, then any style should suffice.




What do you know, in terms of martial arts styles? I find this stuff so interesting, all the different styles and all the different ways the human body can be used, plus all the dedication it takes to get there. Never really gotten in to it beyond that though, as much as I sometimes really want to.

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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: The Vapor]
    #18735478 - 08/21/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Look into kuk sool won

It's somewhat rare from what I've heard, but is fucking top notch.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: The Vapor]
    #18735479 - 08/21/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i do brazillian ju jitsu,kempo,and traditional ju jitsu if you're actually looking for kung fu and not martial arts in general then i would say given your op that you may want to look int iron style kung fu it takes years and years but the guy can break a baseball bat in half with his wrist:thumbup:.

as for other martial arts i alsways suggest brazillian jujitsu seeing as your most likely going to the ground anyways but that may not be an option for you. maybe krav maga? pankration is pretty badass to but you will be hardpressed to find a trainer. then of course there is always ninjutsu (no joke) that is pretty straightforward. hopkido if you think you will be fighting groups of people:thumbup: and last but not least boxing...im not sure about the extent of your injury but if you mixed boxing with jujitsu you would have a very good fighting style.

i left out karate and kung fu in general, they are not bad arts but through my years of searching i've only found a few dojo's that arent jokes in both styles:shrug: as said above wing chun can be a good style to have under your belt if you can find a good sifu.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735501 - 08/21/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Beside the Garden said:
and I need it to be strong.

Im hoping i could get some advice on how to start where to go, what to look for and what to look out for.
I will need my practice in the arts to be tailored to me, because of physical limitations.


I have an injury to my chest that leaves me vulnerable to great injury or death if a situation ever arouse, so i have a no fucking around intention. It is my desire to be able to strike with lethal force and precision, break bones, dislocate joints or stop vital functions if necessary to effectively stop a threat within a few seconds.

This is not a blood lust or desire to inflict undue harm.
I don't go looking for trouble and I never have.
I value the mental and spiritual aspect of the arts and have respect for that.
Because of my physical condition any threat towards me becomes much more urgent and potentially devastating and is why I am morally sound in this approach.

I can't risk fist fights, being push or wrestling and i wont.
If a situation ever came up I would have to protect my head and chest and deliver one or two devastating strike very fast.
I Live in south east MI and can afford maybe $150 to $200 but that's pushing the financial limit.

Thanks for any help in figuring this out, there is a lot of misinformation out there and my situation is slightly unique, I don't want to waste my money or efforts doing something that would be unsuited for me or impractical in real life.



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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: kinkaku]
    #18735620 - 08/21/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks!
I meant Kung Fu as a catch all phrase. Like i said i don't go looking for fights and couldn't see my self in a scenario of a group fight eather. Usually there are indicators before an escalation and i can remove my self from the equation, and have never been in a adult fight. Still i don't want to live cowardly and not all situations give an out.

The injury is substantial, there is a titanium rod holding up my sternum and there is no cartilage connecting my ribs to the sternum. Its weird when this first happened it was like the wolves could smell blood and moved in on me. So i now take this as a responsibly to know how to protect myself despite the limitation. So ground fights are out long fights are out also, I need to be like a Mantis with blades for hands that will take a persons head off if they threaten my heart. Basically very quick no fucking around, one of us is going down deadly strikes. Sounds intense but yeah im no MMA fighter.

A scenario i could see playing out is some tough guy is buzzed and doesn't like my look, opinion or whatever the intimidation starts and he beings to shove. This shove while normally not a BIG problem could seriously injury me. So many things could could mess me up from falling, to him hitting the soft spot whatever. You can see my heart beat through my chest so my response is that serious and I could justify killing or seriously wounding someone if they came at me with even a minor assault. My motive is to protect what is sacred and the training will be an expression of that. Channeling of life force meditation, its not just a combat thing.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735638 - 08/21/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Look him straight in the eye and tell him that assaulting someone with [insert health condition] is a felony; and he doesn't want that blood on his hands. He doesn't care? Well take out your gun, pepper spray his face, and stab him in the dick. Or you know you could be confident say previous statement and use whatever martial arts defense strategy you learn.

Just don't shit you don't have to take bud. Hope you find the art for you.

Seriously check out kuk sool won


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735639 - 08/21/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks!
I meant Kung Fu as a catch all phrase. Like i said i don't go looking for fights and couldn't see my self in a scenario of a group fight eather. Usually there are indicators before an escalation and i can remove my self from the equation, and have never been in a adult fight. Still i don't want to live cowardly and not all situations give an out.

The injury is substantial, there is a titanium rod holding up my sternum and there is no cartilage connecting my ribs to the sternum. Its weird when this first happened it was like the wolves could smell blood and moved in on me. So i now take this as a responsibly to know how to protect myself despite the limitation. So ground fights are out long fights are out also, I need to be like a Mantis with blades for hands that will take a persons head off if they threaten my heart. Basically very quick no fucking around, one of us is going down deadly strikes. Sounds intense but yeah im no MMA fighter.

A scenario i could see playing out is some tough guy is buzzed and doesn't like my look, opinion or whatever the intimidation starts and he beings to shove. This shove while normally not a BIG problem could seriously injury me. So many things could could mess me up from falling, to him hitting the soft spot whatever. You can see my heart beat through my chest so my response is that serious and I could justify killing or seriously wounding someone if they came at me with even a minor assault. My motive is to protect what is sacred and the training will be an expression of that. Channeling of life force meditation, its not just a combat thing.




So what exactly caused this injury? Just curious.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Everlong]
    #18735651 - 08/21/13 03:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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:ilold:




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So what exactly caused this injury? Just curious.




Wow dude laughing at a injured/disabled guy for making a decision to take on a discipline that would help him defend himself.
Then your just curios how it all came to be. You sir sound like a class act DICK.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735672 - 08/21/13 03:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So what exactly caused this injury? Just curious.




Wow dude laughing at a injured/disabled guy for making a decision to take on a discipline that would help him defend himself.
Then your just curios how it all came to be. You sir sound like a class act DICK.




I just found it lolsy because you immediately thought of kung fu, which isn't known for actually being worth a damn in a street fight. It might not be funny to you, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who laughed at reading your original post. No offense.

So what caused the injury?


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Legend]
    #18735677 - 08/21/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Legend said:
Look him straight in the eye and tell him that assaulting someone with [insert health condition] is a felony; and he doesn't want that blood on his hands. He doesn't care? Well take out your gun, pepper spray his face, and stab him in the dick. Or you know you could be confident say previous statement and use whatever martial arts defense strategy you learn.

Just don't shit you don't have to take bud. Hope you find the art for you.

Seriously check out kuk sool won




Right and that's good and i agree, I have a gun and the law is on my side but there are situations where neither are available useful or respected. There are people who would only push more if they knew the weakness and strike in that spot.  Lets say i wind up in a jail cell at some point in my life i don't count on that but it could happen. Basically its just being prepared to handle myself and dominate quickly if needed. Really i couldn't imagine someone well versed in the arts coming at me aggressively its the shitbirds that bother me.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735685 - 08/21/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Man I would really hate to be in such a vulnerable ad defenseless position.

Like you painted such a vivid Image in my head.. Well the self defense treks are out there

Hope you find something that fits your needs. Keep us updated if you do


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Legend]
    #18735695 - 08/21/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

well you got to think first like if you're looking for a style that does alot of damage in a short amount of time then you are going to need to be able to either a. exert great speed with a little force in your strikes or b. less speed with more power does your injury hinder either of those? if so i would go with a style that involves grappeling. nobody ids going to punch your chest if you dislocate their arm with a kamora or break it completly with an arm bar.

i remember when i was in brazillian jujitsu my instruct taught us how to break our opponents shin bone so that they would never walk again right. he said something like it was a russian military technique or something like that.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: kinkaku]
    #18735759 - 08/21/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP there is no martial art that meets your needs.

There is no martial art that even begins to fit your needs, except perhaps if you believe in the internal arts, if you're pretty young you can go up on a mountain and start practicing your tai-chi and bagua now, and maybe in 60 years if you fully devote your life to it you'll be invicible.  If you believe in that kind of thing.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: teamkiller]
    #18735823 - 08/21/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OP there is no martial art that meets your needs.

There is no martial art that even begins to fit your needs, except perhaps if you believe in the internal arts, if you're pretty young you can go up on a mountain and start practicing your tai-chi and bagua now, and maybe in 60 years if you fully devote your life to it you'll be invicible.  If you believe in that kind of thing.




Is this true though it sounds bleak.
What experience are you coming from?

The internal arts are appealing and may be the best way to go. Developing a way of interacting so that conflict is avoided.
Still i feel there is a need to be able to channel the force into a deadly strike. I can use my arms and legs and work out, I just have a very critical weak spot.
Im not MMA training but a few well learned principles and moves would help. Akido looks appealing.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735834 - 08/21/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

teamkiller said:
OP there is no martial art that meets your needs.

There is no martial art that even begins to fit your needs, except perhaps if you believe in the internal arts, if you're pretty young you can go up on a mountain and start practicing your tai-chi and bagua now, and maybe in 60 years if you fully devote your life to it you'll be invicible.  If you believe in that kind of thing.




Is this true though it sounds bleak.
What experience are you coming from?

The internal arts are appealing and may be the best way to go. Developing a way of interacting so that conflict is avoided.
Still i feel there is a need to be able to channel the force into a deadly strike. I can use my arms and legs and work out, I just have a very critical weak spot.
Im not MMA training but a few well learned principles and moves would help. Akido looks appealing.



Nothing is going to save you from your injury, if someone randomly punched you in the sternum you will be fucked. I doubt you could learn anything fast enough that you would be able to block a punch to the chest in the heat of the moment.

So what caused the injury, OP? You ignored my response to you.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Everlong]
    #18735848 - 08/21/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

(Nope didn't ignore it just took some time writing it then went to post and saw updates.)

Ok, well i said Kung Fu as a catch all term knowing it wasn't technical. I just like the sound of it and its kind of fun to say.

My chest injury was caused by two doctors butchering a surgery to correct a congenital defect, probably should not have done the surgery or found a better Doc. Less than a month went by and i had a car crash that shattered my femur, now that's titanium too.
Then I got another doctor a really awesome guy to fix the original mistakes. When i came too he told me the original guys fucked up and shaved out all the cartilage and the bar he put in would have to be permanent.

I found out one of the surgeons a plastics guy who was only there to cut and sow me up took over the surgery for the heart surgeon. I later found out this guy has heavy financial issues, past law suits, stalking charges and is a straight up no joke psychopath and he probably harvested my cartilage for profiting more in plastic surgeries like nose jobs. Im a universal donor and live tissue is very valuable. There is no way to prove it or sue, MI has a "minimum standard of care" law that lawyers said they technically meet even though they didn't use the right hardware to begin with. Also the crash would make it hard to argue because they would just point at that. After the surgery they where really odd around me and short answered. After my crash the psycho looked me in the eye when i was telling him how much pain i was in and said "I don't care about your pain" clearly he was no longer worried about a lawsuit. It was all kinds of fucked up.

What is important now is what i have learned and continue to learn from these types of experiences. Self acceptance, humility, kindness, knowing my limits, peoples capability for evil, forgiveness.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735857 - 08/21/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

well i mean just on the very surface, if you want to be good at any martial art except maybe(but maybe not) the soft internal arts ur gonna have to take a serious beating as part of the normal training.  Taking serious beatings doesn't mean ur going to be good at martial arts, its just a necessary part of training.

I'm sorry but aikido will do nothing unless you're a natural kinesthetic prodigy, and even then its probably not very efficent.

fighting is very messy business.  Only the most gifted masters make it look easy, and its still chaotic and there is absolutely no way you can 100% control a situation to stop someone from hitting you in the chest. 
like, with ur condition as you've stated it, it would always be much more effective to run away if you didn't have ur gun.

if you'd allow me a moment to digress, u know how animals fight all the time?  like nearly all animals fight.  when animals fight they rarely kill or maim each other, because a species that went around killing and maiming themselves wouldn't do so great.
Humans are no different.  I think someone above mentioned humans have like 2-3 weak spots.  throat/eyes and maybe ears or maybe the back of the skull depending on how you count it.  If ur really fighting in the violence sense and not in the animal contest sense, those are the only 3 things you should be thinking about. 
training specific techniques and postures is stupid and in the short-medium term just fucks up your muscle memory to not be able to react fluidly to situations. 

none of what i said just matters because even practicing punching the shit out of someone's throat 8 hours a day isn't going to insure they don't hit you in the chest.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18735862 - 08/21/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Welp that's fucked up OP, I'm sorry for originally finding it funny. :uhoh:


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    #18736040 - 08/21/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Odds are against me of coarse nothing is 100% guaranteed and i have no expectations of that but i would like to sharpen any edge i have. That edge i feel first comes from the weakness it self, the no fucking around reaction that comes from knowing what a single blow landed can do to me.

I believe my nature is mostly a nonviolent peaceful one i don't go looking for trouble and try to see another persons perspective. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't think like this (deadly force) and i didn't buy a gun until after all that mess happened. Because of this injury i am now out side the norm in terms of what an appropriate response would be, so I don't hold myself to the same moral code or ethics when it comes to a fight. Not that there is a street code per say but what would be excessive to one is not to me. On the one hand I am much more vulnerable to minor infractions but on the other hand I am much more deadly in my response towards them.

Mostly I would leave the situation before fighting or drawing my pistol but in a scenario where i couldn't do ether, i have to take it as life and death even if the other doesn't. If the other person does not know my intensity and need, that is to my advantage, if they don't have training and i do i have an upper hand. If they have strong training they probably don't want to get in a fight anyways knowing how quick things can get ugly. But like i said have never been in an adult fight or really seen any, for the most part adults don't fight.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18736356 - 08/21/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

is there any martial arts where you jump around alot? i like jumping around

edit:isnt ninjitsu outdated, i was told ninjitsu is basically learning to break through wooden armor so you could make a kill with your weapon

i havnt really seen wooden armor in a modern fight

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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18737167 - 08/21/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe get a gun OP?


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    #18737450 - 08/21/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

op has a gun

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Mostly I would leave the situation before fighting or drawing my pistol but in a scenario where i couldn't do ether, i have to take it as life and death even if the other doesn't. If the other person does not know my intensity and need, that is to my advantage, if they don't have training and i do i have an upper hand. If they have strong training they probably don't want to get in a fight anyways knowing how quick things can get ugly. But like i said have never been in an adult fight or really seen any, for the most part adults don't fight.





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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18737488 - 08/21/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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is there any martial arts where you jump around alot? i like jumping around

edit:isnt ninjitsu outdated, i was told ninjitsu is basically learning to break through wooden armor so you could make a kill with your weapon

i havnt really seen wooden armor in a modern fight

or is that wrong? theres more to it?




idk :shrug: I've never found a trainer although someone did tell me that its one of the martial arts trained in the millitary.

i think monkey style kung fu has alot of jumping around and crane/preying mantis but its mostly jumping to change footing.

op your best option would probably just to work on your reflexes and strength before learning a martial arts. if you have good reflexes you should be able to block or dodge a punch or kick even if you dont have martial arts training. also work on zen:thumbup:


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18737530 - 08/21/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like you should get a Kevlar vest installed, cyborg.

I'd also recommend living in the right place.  I know it's not always as easy as packing up and going, but there's more violence in cities than less populated areas.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: ClockCode]
    #18737557 - 08/21/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i like your avatar clockcode:thumbup: im in the middle of majora's mask right now haha i love old games.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18737982 - 08/21/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I have an injury to my chest that leaves me vulnerable to great injury or death if a situation ever arouse
Because of my physical condition any threat towards me becomes much more urgent and potentially devastating and is why I am morally sound in this approach.

I can't risk fist fights, being push or wrestling and i wont.





martial arts is not for you, buy a bulletproof vest. if you learn kung fu,
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    #18738045 - 08/21/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Since you are super vunerable I wouldn't suggest getting into the whole contact side of things. Just get a gun, those are about as precise and lethal as it gets  :shrug:


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    #18738054 - 08/21/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also Krav Maga.

That is some lethal shit!


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18738082 - 08/21/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Also Krav Maga.

That is some lethal shit!





um... no, well it's lethal for the OP. he'd die in training

krav maga is not the end all of self defense, no particular style is  and
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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18738113 - 08/21/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Most TCMA (Kung Fu) don't involve intense sparring like other Asian arts.
After hearing more on OP's injury, I'd recommend Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.
Though most Wing Chun schools may be sparring intensive.

And to Everlong's comment on Kung Fu not being practical: he's mostly right.
You receive from what you put in, and most traditional chinese martial arts require so much dedication that it's impractical for todays society. That's why Shaolin monks dedicated their whole lives to the arts.
I've met a few people who could apply the styles into fighting, but 90% cannot.

Wing Chun is a different story, as it was made to be easily applied.

But it really comes down the school and teacher. Some teachers stick with tradition. Some have taken the style and applied it to be street-practical.

I'll start looking for schools in your area sometime today or tomorrow.


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    #18738126 - 08/21/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thats why I said he should get a gun or an iron man style implant.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18738134 - 08/21/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Most TCMA (Kung Fu) don't involve intense sparring like other Asian arts.
After hearing more on OP's injury, I'd recommend Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.






it still happens and without the sparring the reaction time doesnt develop

kevlar is where OP needs to go


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    #18738163 - 08/21/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Acaterpillar said:
Most TCMA (Kung Fu) don't involve intense sparring like other Asian arts.
After hearing more on OP's injury, I'd recommend Praying Mantis or Wing Chun.






it still happens and without the sparring the reaction time doesnt develop

kevlar is where OP needs to go




There's other ways to develop reaction time.
But you're right; OP's training will need to be very unique because of his condition.
He will need to find a teacher who understands his situation, and is willing to curb his training to fit his needs.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: kinkaku]
    #18738329 - 08/21/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You could consider a knife as intermediate between hands and the gun.

Jeet Kune Do is the art of Bruce Lee, a modified Wing Chun incorporating the useful bits of many martial arts.
 
Everyones JKD is different; modified for personal physique.

Win chun is a good base for a vulnerable individual because I think it was originally a womens survival art. 

JKD emphasizes kicks to the knee and groin, and hits to the throat and eyes as well as using headbutts elbows knees biting scratching distractions and off-beat rhythms, all non-telegraphic attacks; as well as jamming and tying up (trapping) the opponents limbs and interrupting attacks with your own as best line of defense.  Also some grappling, locks etc.

I'll attach some JKD examples.

Gotta be careful there are lots of people doing stuff and calling it "JKD" but some respected teachers are:

Ted Wong, Jerry Poteet, Tim Tackett, Chris Kent, and Dan Inosanto.

Look for respected teachers in your state (or students thereof). 

Here's a compilation from Tim


Here's part 1 of 6 to the JKD video"Defense" by Tim Tackett:


Here's a little compilation of various artists; note the simultaneous slip and hit illustrated by Inosanto at the end:


Jerry Poteet left behind a skilled wife (note her pulling opponents arm during strikes for extra power/control):


...and great students:

^Octavio quintero showcases the low-level kicking.

Destroy the opponents knee and you can escape easily.  The classic JKD eye-gouge is great for this as well.


^I like the infighting of Bert Poe; who was a Marine Raider, Korean war vet, bodyguard for Eleanor Roosevelt, champion marine boxer and undefeated professional boxer, Texas Ranger, Sheriff, and security expert.

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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #18738365 - 08/21/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wing Chun wasn't originally made for woman. It was created by a multitude of Shaolin masters.
However, during the destruction of the Shaolin temple in the Qing dynasty, nearly all the Wing Chun practitioners were killed except for a single nun named Wing Chun (hence the name).
She made some modifications for women. However, these modifications would work in OP's favor as they are mostly meant to prevent any vulnerability to the chest.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18738416 - 08/21/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No offense to anyone who trains Kung Fu, but it is kind of crap for self defense. It will inflate your ego terribly, but you wont learn how to actually fight very effectively at all.

If you watch Kung Fu stylists fight people from other styles they almost always get beaten to a pulp.


If you want to do an effective Chinese martial art, I would recommend San Shou. It is really the only Chinese art worth training for self defense(unless you are willing to put 2-3 decades into Tai Chi).

I studied Kung Fu for many years. I wouldn't recommend it to someone as a first style. Especially if you want to learn practical self defense.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738443 - 08/21/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Don't blame the style when the player is at fault.

And good luck finding a legit San Shou school in America.


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    #18738489 - 08/21/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So it's just so happens that every person who does Kung Fu exclusively is bad at real fighting? Or do you have another explanation?

Honestly, it's going to be hard. I didn't realize the extent of OP's injuries. If I were him I would train just Kali/Silat and carry a knife. Having such a serious injury is a HUGE disadvantage in a fight.

He won't be able to do Judo, Jiu Jitsu, or Aikido without falling. Falling might hurt him.
He probably won't be able to do any contact kickboxing style, so almost everything with good striking fundamentals is out.

Pris is wrong. You won't get hit in a Kung Fu class. That's a big part of why you wont learn to fight effectively there. Krav Maga might be OK too, but I think it teaches a really delusional macho attitude towards self defense.


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    #18738507 - 08/21/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So it's just so happens that every person who does Kung Fu exclusively is bad at real fighting? Or do you have another explanation?






Quote:

Acaterpillar said:
And to Everlong's comment on Kung Fu not being practical: he's mostly right.
You receive from what you put in, and most traditional chinese martial arts require so much dedication that it's impractical for todays society. That's why Shaolin monks dedicated their whole lives to the arts.
I've met a few people who could apply the styles into fighting, but 90% cannot.






Also take into consideration the rules and limitations that most tournaments have in place. Because of this MMAs will always have an advantage over TCMAs.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #18738513 - 08/21/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So if there were no rules, how would that change anything?

I hate this argument. It's just a lame excuse for not training hard, and not training contact.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738541 - 08/21/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If I blind you with my fingers your training will probably not work the same.  I think the point on rules is a good one regarding sport fighting vs. survival fighting.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738562 - 08/21/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do you really think any of those fights would have gone better for the Kung Fu guy if eye gouging was legal?


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    #18738637 - 08/21/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know if they train it.  It is a random video of numerous fighters with unknown training credentials. 

But without rules I think there would be a definite shift in balance.


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    #18738675 - 08/21/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The problem with arguments like this is that the focus is on style.
The focus should be on the players, as any style is fully capable of conquering the other.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738685 - 08/21/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why don't we see any Kung Fu practitioners being successful in any combat sports then?


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18738820 - 08/21/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP.

I've done a lot of different styles of martial arts. Most of the ones that are worth training are pretty physically demanding. You would probably put yourself at a high risk of badly injuring your sternum. Kali is a very deadly martial art, and it isn't as physically demanding as most other arts. It often uses a knife though, which some people are uncomfortable with.


The best thing I can recommend for you considering your injury, is to learn Kali or Silat, and probably to buy a knife.
You should be able to handle the level of contact.
You will be able to defend yourself against almost anybody.
It wont take very long to learn enough technique to be effective.

Good luck:thumbup:


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Synthe]
    #18738862 - 08/21/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Original wins, I believe. One minute into video



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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18738934 - 08/21/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

"How many true "Kung Fu" practicioners are IN combat sports?" might be a better question.

I agree with Kali or Silat.  Great systems with knife or stick and open hand is using the same principles.

Look into Dan Inosanto "JKD Concepts" for Kali/Silat/Savate/Panantukan/Muy Tai influenced JKD.

Here is his video "Kali Principles".


MMA vs. Martial Arts:

I feel like putting a martial artist inside a sport fighting ring is like throwing a rugby team onto a soccer field; to play a soccer team by soccer rules...


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: Heffy]
    #18739514 - 08/21/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Heffy said:
No offense to anyone who trains Kung Fu, but it is kind of crap for self defense. It will inflate your ego terribly, but you wont learn how to actually fight very effectively at all.

If you watch Kung Fu stylists fight people from other styles they almost always get beaten to a pulp.


If you want to do an effective Chinese martial art, I would recommend San Shou. It is really the only Chinese art worth training for self defense(unless you are willing to put 2-3 decades into Tai Chi).

I studied Kung Fu for many years. I wouldn't recommend it to someone as a first style. Especially if you want to learn practical self defense.



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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18739675 - 08/21/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i thought kali was with sticks? i took escrima which isnt widely taught nowadays and i loved it.

there is a style called iron palm and you would be fucked if you ever got struck full on:thumbdown: heres some similar moves.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pant_xwqHMc

fuck this

but it takes years and years to condition your body for it.


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Re: I Need Kung Fu [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18739700 - 08/21/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Stick fighting is great to learn; there is almost always some sort of "stickish" thing nearby.

I think by "Kung Fu" OP just means an extremely efficacious art of defense.

I also might not recommend "Kung Fu" just because you need a great teacher more than anything; and good "Kung Fu" teachers may be rare in your location.

I would find a class of a great master in one of these aforementioned arts, confer with them and then maybe start training with them.  Start doing the research.  Usually you can sit in on or take a class before deciding to on any payments.

You'll want to start training correctly in the first place (choose a great teacher); as any "untrue" trainings can become dangerously ingrained even when you learn later that they are not correct.

OP: Train in vigilance and knowledgeable (safety-preserving)decisions and gut instincts to keep you out of sticky situations. 

Taking up sprinting if you can seems a fine idea also; no joke!


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    #18741263 - 08/22/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I'm taking every thing in and looking at the different suggestions.
Just joined a 24 hour gym today and will re-start my strength and endurance training.
Kali, Aikido, Wing Chun and sprinting all sound good from what i have read but def will need a tailored approach, still im going to go back and look into all the suggestion.
Thanks!


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