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urbannerd
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Toe_Jam]
#18733694 - 08/20/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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what if consciousness only exist when it is surrounded by your energy, therefore you die and your consciousness dies but your energy goes off to inhabit another consciousness
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: urbannerd]
#18733843 - 08/20/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do yourselves a favor, believers & non-believers, look up John Hagelin & Amit Goswami. If the people who, literally, wrote the books on Quantum Physics & the Unified Field are not enough support for reincarnation (& both can explain it's scientific validity), then your blinders do not allow you to see past what you do not wish to see. They are the leaders in these fields. For those who cannot grasp the above two, Michio Kaku is very good at dumbing things down.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Heffy]
#18734047 - 08/20/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heffy said: So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?
Did you go to school or what?
Why so hostile? Obviously when you die the matter in your body doesn't go nowhere. It becomes just dead matter. Then other things consume it, turn it into living matter. Then it dies again. I would say re-incarnation is obviously present in all known life. Unless you are into all that 49 days stuff or whatever.
That's not me being hostile dude. That's me being amused.
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Repertoire89
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
#18734077 - 08/20/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: The ideas presented in this thread are very short-sighted, the concept of reincarnation comes from personal experience. If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of it then personal experience would be a well addressed topic, instead the matter is being observed as a philosophical abstraction. Its one thing to say you don't believe something after actually seeing it from the position of the propagators and another to arbitrarily dismiss it. It might be inline with one's way of thinking but like I said its short-sighted
Give an example of a personal experience where the concept of reincarnation comes from.
Sure thing. A common theme from Hinduism, to Buddhism, Egyptian mysticism and even out to Plato (who cited Egyptian mysticism as his source) is the practice of meditating to remember past lives. Its an experience many people have including myself, after practicing meditation with the intention or generally looking for OBEs. In my own experience it is just like other memories, only on either side of the border of a lifetime it becomes difficult to remember another like remembering a dream, most of us dream every night and forget most of the dreams. Past that the experience is a linear memory.
It can well be argued as a delusion and I can't put an argument to prove that as false anymore than the reverse, but as stated in my first post of this thread there is a reason I give some credence or even belief to my own personal experiences. The reason being that from my perspective this waking life is only a fraction (say 1/3rd) of conscious memory throughout the day. So taking this life and saying it is more real than another is from my own (possibly delusional) perspective the same as saying most of the cities states and countries I've been to weren't real, or most of the days of the week.
Its up to anyone to make what they will of it, but overlooking personal experience which is at the basis of the theory of reincarnation is missing the key aspect of why the belief exists.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
#18734099 - 08/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the people who, literally, wrote the books on Quantum Physics & the Unified Field are not enough support for reincarnation (& both can explain it's scientific validity), then your blinders do not allow you to see past what you do not wish to see.
Personally I promote the idea of forming one's own opinion on all matters, and not believing something because another does. They may well have good points on the matter but its well to be skeptical about anyone's beliefs (especially one's own)
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
#18734127 - 08/20/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heffy said: So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?
Did you go to school or what?
Why so hostile? Obviously when you die the matter in your body doesn't go nowhere. It becomes just dead matter. Then other things consume it, turn it into living matter. Then it dies again. I would say re-incarnation is obviously present in all known life. Unless you are into all that 49 days stuff or whatever.
That's not me being hostile dude. That's me being amused.
This is why this forum sucks. Way to go.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories] 1
#18734159 - 08/20/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Give an example of a personal experience where the concept of reincarnation comes from.
I think the concept of reincarnation does come from personal experience, but the allegorical nature need not lend itself to more mystical explanations. The 'person' living and dying is perhaps the experiences themselves and the resulting memories, sensory and emotive as they are re-experienced. As I pointed out in a recent thread experiences/moments are the perception of events, conceptual things which have a beginning middle and end. There is an awareness of this to be had, not only of the outside world but of the self. Ideas coming and going, people coming and going, motivations, values, possessions, hopes dreams understandings fixations devotions, etc. They all come to an end, most while the body still lives. And yet they're all of a common nature, bound to express themselves again and again. Not just that but we teach by example and thus may keep alive hopes dreams understandings, etc. by passing them on to others.
That's three types of reincarnation no more mystic than reality itself.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Rahz]
#18734178 - 08/20/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well another thought I've had is to consider the way time changes when you're tripping, it can literally slow down just like I'm saying with OBEs. So if one were to work their mind up to having OBEs they may well be experiencing chemical time distortion, rather than being aware of consciousness outside of the waking life.
Is it delusion, is it real? Seems real to me and I hope it is because the experiences can be better than drug experiences, but I acknowledge that they may well not be. Much of the experiences are subjective and that can also indicate a basis in materialism rather than mysticism, but not necessarily
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lol, time doesn't move at all. Slow or fast.
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Rahz
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I don't know but I've had some pretty real dreams. The brain is crazy man.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Rahz]
#18734332 - 08/20/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It sure it. Time is one of those strange things people tend to think they understand, but simply don't
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Heffy]
#18734387 - 08/20/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you don't like it here then don't post. It's been fun.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
#18734416 - 08/20/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who's not having fun? I was commenting on how trick the mind can be & how much we "think" we know.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
#18734464 - 08/20/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did I make that reply to you? No I didn't. That should have been your first clue.
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There seems to be a number of posters here that are ignorant of the total difference between information and energy else they would not even be bringing up physics. Get an education first before presenting stuff you clearly do not understand.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
#18735072 - 08/20/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lingabhakt said: lol, time doesn't move at all. Slow or fast.
Your perception of time changes. If you're having trouble understanding I can bring up some articles on the perception of time and how it can change under the influence of substances.

Lets start here
http://cogprints.org/4034/1/Psychedelic_Neurochemistry2.htm
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A Psychedelic Neurochemistry of Time
By Kim A. Dawson, PhD, R.Psych. (kadawson@mentalhealthconsulting.ca),
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Private Practice, Chilliwack, BC, Canada
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An accumulating literature suggests that a wide array of psychedelics can induce potent changes in time perception.Very little is known about the nature of these changes. However, the repeated theme of temporal distortion amongst many archives of psychedelic experiences strongly supports the notion that psychedelic drugs do, in some way, impact the underlying neurochemistry of time perception. This brief paper discusses examples of how psychedelics can change time perception and offers suggestions for further research
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Sure, you can perceive time as moving. We all do, but it does not move, nor do we move through it. & to he who questions my education, I fart in you general direction. You obviously have no clue, because my education is obvious in my understanding of concepts you can't even begin to grasp. I dumb things down a bit, but that's not for me, but you.
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
#18735155 - 08/20/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lingabhakt said: Sure, you can perceive time as moving. We all do, but it does not move, nor do we move through it.
Theoretically, you can think of time as an abstraction or a tangible force of nature like gravity. Practically speaking it doesn't matter
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Jung was able to identify archetypes in human personalities, Myers and Briggs were able to refine it further to 16 archetypes.
It stands to reason that primitive people were able to intuitively identify some of these archetypes. It also stands to reason that these people would have seemed even more similar, coming from an identical culture which would have been less diverse than the modern globalist culture. Therefore two people, one alive and one dead, who's personalities expressed identical archetypes and who likely had many of the same "favorites" and habits, would easily have provide the basis for reincarnation.
That is the perfectly reasonable reasons that a primitive person would have or might believe in reincarnation.
As for modern people, plbgbgbgb. Who knows? There are people who believe the world is 5k years old.
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