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Anonymous #1

How bad is cooking meth?
    #18733941 - 08/20/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

On a scale of 1-10 (morally speaking) how bad would you say it is to manufacture and distribute methamphetamine? Please include at least a brief explanation with your rating.


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Anonymous #2

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #18734026 - 08/20/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Manufacturing, not very bad assuming you're doing it away from 'innocent' people who could be harmed in it's production.. e.g. don't cook it 2 rooms away from where your daughter sleeps or in an apartment building.

Distribution I dunno. I don't like what that shit does to people, but it's their choice to use it. I don't really believe in/support a nanny state.


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Anonymous #3

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18734305 - 08/20/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

don't do it Bro, Meth is dumb anyway


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Anonymous #4

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #18734669 - 08/20/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

very fuckin bad. its a nasty drug and a nasty process. I'm open to drugs and to each his own but don't do it unless you are expecting to see your life change DRASTICALLY. Just try to sell some drugs if you wanna play the game. doing what you talking about some very serious shit.

Its such a dumb idea brother. dont do it.


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Anonymous #5

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #18734994 - 08/20/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It really depends on how you do it.

Say, for example-- you are a hermit. Nobody depends on you and you depend on nobody, but you need money. So you set up a meth lab far, far away from anybody who could possibly smell the fumes, then you sell in bulk to a middleman who in turn distributes clean product to responsible, upstanding night shift workers. Cartel distributors cannot exist in this magical nether-region, so there is no chance of creating a fresh market of dependents upon which killers and thieves would capitalize in the event of your incarceration.

That's a 1, or: about equivalent to trading booze for food with a friend who has food stamps.

Use your imagination to get to 10.


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Anonymous #6

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #18735019 - 08/20/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If we had a culture of self-control and harm reduction, rather than one of secrecy and abuse, things would be very different.
We have no problem selling other addictive dangerous drugs to people, why should meth be any different?


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Anonymous #5

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #18735069 - 08/20/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #6 said:
If we had a culture of self-control and harm reduction, rather than one of secrecy and abuse, things would be very different.




If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

Quote:

We have no problem selling other addictive dangerous drugs to people, why should meth be any different?




Who here is "we"?

The black meth market is not like Coca-Cola or cigarettes. People who are accustomed to using meth really need it to get on with their lives. No matter how scrupulous your service is, if you are put out of commission (for example by the police or by territorial criminal syndicates), your former customers would turn to predatory cartels, who would sell cut-rate goods at higher prices. It would have a withering effect on the local community while attracting the attention of rival cartels. Many innocent lives would be affected by this chain of events. Unregulated competition in the market for a drug like this is an ongoing catastrophe.

However, if you operate your business to compete with violent criminals, you are obviously not going to be much better than them in the end. :shrug:


Edited by Anonymous (08/20/13 11:36 PM)


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Anonymous #6

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #18735146 - 08/20/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #5 said:
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...




If we cut off the funding of the DEA and police agencies across the country and did something worthwhile for the public instead of propping up the black market.

Quote:


Who here is "we"?
The black meth market is not like Coca-Cola or cigarettes....
...However, if you operate your business to compete with violent criminals, you are obviously not going to be much better than them in the end. :shrug:



Yea. It is. It is supply filling demand. We are incapable of ending either, so bring it under control instead of letting it run wild.
We all know what happened at the end of alcohol prohibition, a reduction in the harm and violence. The end.


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Anonymous #5

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #18735179 - 08/21/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can't even tell what you're trying to say. You're preaching to the choir with all the DEA shit, what does that have to do with this conversation? I'm trying to talk about reality. The market for this drug has to be regulated. There can be no Mom 'n' Pop Meth Cook. The drug doesn't work that way. It's a predator's dream come true. The only way to minimize the damage it does to individuals and communities is to have its production and distribution regulated on the massive scale. Not by OP.


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Anonymous #6

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #5] * 1
    #18735266 - 08/21/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think you're making a lot of assumptions about where alternative business would come from. Saying selling meth is amoral because if you go out of business your customers will turn to cartels??? Huge leap, no fact that that would be the eventuality. Reminds me of the notion that buying weed funds terrorism :rolleyes:

I'm simply maintaining that the major moral issues with making/selling meth come with the territory of it being illegal- nothing more, nothing less. The only reason I would consider it any worse than growing and selling weed are the addiction and health issues associated.


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Anonymous #5

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #18736657 - 08/21/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, but the risk is there and it is far more of a material threat than say, weed funding terrorists. How many people do you know who cook meth as a hobby they share with their friends, honestly? I'd be shocked if you knew one. But I also wouldn't be surprised if half your friends grew weed on that basis.

Again, you're trying to brush aside reality with your idealism. Who cares that in a perfect world, everybody would have self-control and drugs would be responsibly regulated? Personally I'd like to get laid more often, can you work that into your utopia somehow? That's not the world we live in, and if you want to fix it, cooking meth is the wrong direction to go in.


Edited by Anonymous (08/21/13 09:59 AM)


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Anonymous #1

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #18737010 - 08/21/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the input guys. As a staunch Libertarian I have to agree with anon 6 here. I mean wouldn't you rather have your meth cooked by a clean cut domestic professional?

I'm not planning on cooking meth though, just in case anyone is wondering. Just curious is all.


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Anonymous #6

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18737174 - 08/21/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fair enough #5, I get your point, really.  But anyone can grow weed, it's easy. If cooking meth were that easy, you better bet people would be doing it. There is nothing about the act of cooking meth that necessarily means you'll have to deal with violent individuals, I mean, tell that to the pharmaceutical companies that make the amphetamines we give to our children.  I understand the reality. Cook meth and you're likely dealing with strung out tweakers and biker gangs- but not necessarily.

It's not a utopian idea. It would be a simple legislative change. End prohibition, tax and regulate. It's that easy.


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Anonymous #7

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18737875 - 08/21/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd take the position that it's a valuable public service.

1. It fills a need. Many many ADD sufferers and others simply do not have medical insurance and so cannot afford the prescription alternatives.

2. It undermines prohibition by blatantly defying it. The moral evil is not in some substance being available but is in smugness of trying to legislate what people can and can not do with their own bodies or their own consciousness with harm to no others. Undermining this system can only be a good thing.

3. If you are caught it will cost 50k per year to incarcerate you. This is money that further weakens the government position by causing deficit spending and sending us further toward economic collapse, which further undermines prohibition's by weakening the economy through excessive wasteful spending.


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Anonymous #8

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #18752630 - 08/24/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would rather make Jenkem.


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Anonymous #9

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #18752904 - 08/24/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ethically? i would have absolutely zero problem on my conscious making and distributing meth. I am not holding people down and forcing them to take it. It is their choice and I am simply supplying the product



i wouldnt do it though cause too risky with the law and i dont know anything about making it


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Anonymous #5

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #18753349 - 08/24/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Anonymous #10

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #18762551 - 08/27/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would try to synth something that doesnt wreck as many lives. But I cant judge, people will do what they do and if they dont get it from you they will buy it from someone else.


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Anonymous #11

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #18766103 - 08/27/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Anonymous #5

Re: How bad is cooking meth? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #18767068 - 08/28/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus, why?

This thread is ridiculous with all the moral relativists, cooking meth is retarded. /thread


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