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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733131 - 08/20/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't believe in things which there isn't substantial evidence for.

The way reincarnation is purported to work, and the history behind its birth as a concept don't provide any evidence of it being true.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733146 - 08/20/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733168 - 08/20/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't not believe and I don't have belief. If someone asked me does reincarnation exist I just say it could be or it could not be, until there's reason to believe or to not believe.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733189 - 08/20/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As if kids listening to the drone of a state employee regurgitating the government's standardized tests is any better than a priest force feeding us dribble.

Every generation humanity thinks it has the answer.  A while ago it was "God", now the answer is "science". 

Embrace your inner nihilists you bastards.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733190 - 08/20/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

very agnostical.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Sse]
    #18733194 - 08/20/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There is reason to not believe in it because the mechanics of it make no sense, and it is an archaic belief system that was based on totally unverified assumptions for no other reason than it sounded nice.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733198 - 08/20/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Then I wasn't Cleopatra after all? :hissyfit:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: ClockCode]
    #18733200 - 08/20/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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As if kids listening to the drone of a state employee regurgitating the government's standardized tests is any better than a priest force feeding us dribble.

Every generation humanity thinks it has the answer.  A while ago it was "God", now the answer is "science". 

Embrace your inner nihilists you bastards.




You are a finite walking sack of meat that will cease to function and rot into the ground soon. :haha:


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733208 - 08/20/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Your man-boobs could be evidence that you actually were.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733223 - 08/20/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The mechanics of it make as much sense to me as being born at all


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733253 - 08/20/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you choose to believe that.  Ten thousand years from this point it'll be irrelevant anyway, so just pick the one that helps you sleep better.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733284 - 08/20/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733288 - 08/20/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There is more evidence for reincarnation than against it. One of the biggest supporting arguments is this thing called physics. You see, you & I & everyone else are made of matter. Matter is energy. Energy can never be destroyed. In this way we never stop existing. Now, when we talk of consciousness things get tricky. Science is at a loss when it comes to explaining exactly what consciousness is, but science agrees that consciousness is real & even where it comes from, per se. Consciousness is the Unified Field & that Unified Field is the zero point of EVERYTHING. Say the Unified Field is like a vast pool & from it comes all manner of things. In fact, nothing doesn't come from this pool & everything that comes from this pool is made of the same substance that makes up the pool. Furthermore, everything that comes from the pool is forever linked to the pool. In fact, though its source is the pool, it never really leaves the pool, because the pool is all there is; there is nothing that is not the pool.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Heffy]
    #18733311 - 08/20/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?





:lol:  Did you go to school or what?


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18733321 - 08/20/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

in other words.... energy never appears nor disappears e=mc2. I am that I am because I know what I am.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Beanz] * 1
    #18733381 - 08/20/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The ideas presented in this thread are very short-sighted, the concept of reincarnation comes from personal experience. If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of it then personal experience would be a well addressed topic, instead the matter is being observed as a philosophical abstraction.
Its one thing to say you don't believe something after actually seeing it from the position of the propagators and another to arbitrarily dismiss it. It might be inline with one's way of thinking but like I said its short-sighted


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18733530 - 08/20/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

For me suspending disbelief in reincarnation is useful as a mindset when thinking about my motives. I don't think evidence would not improve the benefit I get from doing this.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #18733552 - 08/20/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The ideas presented in this thread are very short-sighted, the concept of reincarnation comes from personal experience. If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of it then personal experience would be a well addressed topic, instead the matter is being observed as a philosophical abstraction.
Its one thing to say you don't believe something after actually seeing it from the position of the propagators and another to arbitrarily dismiss it. It might be inline with one's way of thinking but like I said its short-sighted




Give an example of a personal experience where the concept of reincarnation comes from.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Icelander]
    #18733596 - 08/20/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So where does the matter in your body go after you die? I suppose it just ceases to exist?





:lol:  Did you go to school or what?



Why so hostile?
Obviously when you die the matter in your body doesn't go nowhere.
It becomes just dead matter. Then other things consume it, turn it into living matter. Then it dies again.
I would say re-incarnation is obviously present in all known life.
Unless you are into all that 49 days stuff or whatever.


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Re: Reincarnation nutters [Re: Memories]
    #18733616 - 08/20/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why believe anything without pics right?

My main belief is that I don't have any clue what will happen after death. Very likely you die and that's the end of the story.

However, I have had vague..... Inclinations, let's say. They are often contradictory, but ultimately have led me to understand that I don't know very much personally, despite having attempted to stuff myself with knowledge my entire life. I think collectively humanity is in the same state. If one looks back into history you will see that certain groups started civilizations, while most did not. I suppose the "civilized" ones thought themselves the brightest crayons around. Retrospective though... eh..... Not so much.

My point is, any "proof" provided, or not provided on a subject that we don't even have the power to know anything about (if it exists) is moot.

The bottom line is, you don't know, they don't know. No one knows.

You ever died? Even if you did you'd have to come back here, and so be limited again (thoeretically) and not  "remember" anything you would have "learned" on this supposed "other side".

:2cents:
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