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How To Improve Pinset?
    #18731047 - 08/20/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This is a coir based sub at a <2:1 ratio. I have seen pictures of extraordinary pinsets, and I was wondering what I need to do to improve that.



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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18731071 - 08/20/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Check out my newest pictures.  I feel the key was coffee and gypsum.  I have seen from my first grows till now you can see a huge difference!


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18731088 - 08/20/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

A proper fruiting chamber would be a good first step.  What you have now is neither a monotub or a shotgun fruiting chamber.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: grainbrain]
    #18731115 - 08/20/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What's underneath the 'cake'?


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: ghostinthemist]
    #18731167 - 08/20/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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grainbrain said:
A proper fruiting chamber would be a good first step.




Agreed judging by the cracked cap your conditions are less than ideal. Here's a good tek to follow while building a monotub. I think you would get much better results if you used one next time :thumbup:

Genetics can also play a big part in it. Have you tried playing with agar at all?


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Check out my newest pictures.  I feel the key was coffee and gypsum.




Not a fan of coffee, but coir/verm/gypsum can get some great results.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18731195 - 08/20/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

im a noob, but seal off the FC and let CO2 build up before pins form?



i will try coffee in the near future


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: anarchris420]
    #18731202 - 08/20/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

and that's a split top...its perfectly fine, just growing too fast


Where are new pics?


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: anarchris420]
    #18731242 - 08/20/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

NO. Mushrooms breath O2 just like we do. Read these guys posts. If you follow the teks to the t you'll have good results. Don't be the newb that says, "Well holes on the bottom of my sgfc didn't really make since, so I didn't put them there.". Everything in the teks are in there for a reason. Follow them to the letter AND THEN come back with questions, if you have any. Its really really easy to grow these things. Newbs just think something will be better if they try it 'this way' and it almost always doesn't work. Get a few grows under your belt with tried and true teks, and then start experamenting.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: huffinglue]
    #18731340 - 08/20/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The mushrooms explode when you take out the polyfill, so that's what I want. I actually screwed up this bulk sub in terms of the size, so it's just sitting in the middle on some rocks. It's growing pretty good, but I'm wondering how you get pins over the whole thing. Because I used a more traditional mono setup and had worse results. I did an outdoor grow and kept a trashbag on the sub the whole time and they blew up.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18731352 - 08/20/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Get some agar work going and get yourself a nice isolate.

Build a proper fruiting chamber

Get awesome pinsets


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18731457 - 08/20/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Right I'm starting on some clones but I've seen pics of awesome MS pinsets and I wonder if I can ever achieve that with my modest setup.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18731472 - 08/20/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Look at the pin set in my sig....if you get that...you will likely have TINY fruits.... I think your pinset if fine but honestly, you need a better fruiting chamber then you will get slightly thicker pin sets I think. You just don't want them TOO thick like my last couple trays,lol. That was a result of bacteria too though...:pipesmoke:


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: huffinglue]
    #18732172 - 08/20/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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NO. Mushrooms breath O2 just like we do. Read these guys posts. If you follow the teks to the t you'll have good results. Don't be the newb that says, "Well holes on the bottom of my sgfc didn't really make since, so I didn't put them there.". Everything in the teks are in there for a reason. Follow them to the letter AND THEN come back with questions, if you have any. Its really really easy to grow these things. Newbs just think something will be better if they try it 'this way' and it almost always doesn't work. Get a few grows under your belt with tried and true teks, and then start experamenting.



I have a few years under my belt and this guy speaks truth.  SGFC are set up to allow for some build up of Co2 and also create enough airflow to allow for gas exchange and evaporation.  The 2 key elements to a better pin set.  Cracked caps are also a sign of lack of FAE.  Without correct FAE you will find that you will have may stunted, cracked, or even aborted mushies.  A proper SGFC will allow you to achieve maximum output for what you are trying to do.  Look at my threads and have a gander at my invitro pin sets.  I have 40+ pins coming out of the top of a half pint wide mouth right now and thats not counting the ones growing in the jar upwards.  In all im looking at probably 100+ pins.  i attribute these results to proper use of the SGFC tek and the added minerals i mix in with my substrate. I.E> dried spent coffee grounds, pelletized gypsum, I AM! THE GYPSUM GRINDER!<That's for a fellow shroomite>and spent dried tea leaves.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18732310 - 08/20/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you make a proper monotub and dial it in, this will greatly improve fruiting performance.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18732910 - 08/20/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Can I move this sub. into an SGFC, with perlite, and expect good results? I have one lying around.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18732914 - 08/20/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Can I move this sub. into an SGFC, with perlite, and expect good results? I have one lying around.




Why not? Try.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: Pestile]
    #18732999 - 08/20/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's been done.


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18733052 - 08/20/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

here is possibly some useful information. I like to know what goes wrong and how to identify it.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150#17231150


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18735313 - 08/21/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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This is a coir based sub at a <2:1 ratio. I have seen pictures of extraordinary pinsets, and I was wondering what I need to do to improve that.







Hmm, even straight rye (no coffee, gypsum, etcetc) should give you better results than that.

¯\(°_o)/¯ Sorry. Maybe it's a late bloomer?


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Re: How To Improve Pinset? [Re: un-known-ome]
    #18736467 - 08/21/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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un-known-ome said:
Can I move this sub. into an SGFC, with perlite, and expect good results? I have one lying around.




This ^^


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