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OfflineDurin


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LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems * 5
    #18731459 - 08/20/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems

Large population study with more than 20,000 psychedelic users

The use of LSD, magic mushrooms, or peyote does not increase a person's risk of developing mental health problems, according to an analysis of information from more than 130,000 randomly chosen people, including 22,000 people who had used psychedelics at least once.

Researcher Teri Krebs and clinical psychologist Pål-Ørjan Johansen, from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology's (NTNU) Department of Neuroscience, used data from a US national health survey to see what association there was, if any, between psychedelic drug use and mental health problems.

The authors found no link between the use of psychedelic drugs and a range of mental health problems. Instead they found some significant associations between the use of psychedelic drugs and fewer mental health problems.

The results are published in the 19 August edition of journal PLOS ONE and are freely available online.

Symptoms and mental health treatment considered

The researchers relied on data from the 2001-2004 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, in which participants were asked about mental health treatment and symptoms of a variety of mental health conditions over the past year. The specific symptoms examined were general psychological distress, anxiety disorders, mood disorders, and psychosis.

Armed with this information, Krebs and Johansen were able to examine if there were any associations between psychedelic use and general or specific mental health problems. They found none.

"After adjusting for other risk factors, lifetime use of LSD, psilocybin, mescaline or peyote, or past year use of LSD was not associated with a higher rate of mental health problems or receiving mental health treatment," says Johansen.

Could psychedelics be healthy for you?

The researchers found that lifetime use of psilocybin or mescaline and past year use of LSD were associated with lower rates of serious psychological distress. Lifetime use of LSD was also significantly associated with a lower rate of outpatient mental health treatment and psychiatric medicine prescription.

The design of the study makes it impossible to determine exactly why the researchers found what they found.

"We cannot exclude the possibility that use of psychedelics might have a negative effect on mental health for some individuals or groups, perhaps counterbalanced at a population level by a positive effect on mental health in others," they wrote.

Nevertheless, "recent clinical trials have also failed to find any evidence of any lasting harmful effects of psychedelics," the researchers said, which supports the robustness of the PLOS ONE findings.

In fact, says Krebs, "many people report deeply meaningful experiences and lasting beneficial effects from using psychedelics."

"Other studies have found no evidence of health or social problems among people who had used psychedelics hundreds of times in legally-protected religious ceremonies," adds Johansen.

What's the bottom line on psychedelic use?

Psychedelics are different than most other recreational drugs. Experts agree that psychedelics do not cause addiction or compulsive use, and they are not known to harm the brain.

When evaluating psychedelics, as with any activity, it is important to take an objective view of all the evidence and avoid being biased by anecdotal stories either of harm or benefit, the researchers say.

"Everything has some potential for negative effects, but psychedelic use is overall considered to pose a very low risk to the individual and to society," Johansen says, "Psychedelics can elicit temporary feelings of anxiety and confusion, but accidents leading to serious injury are extremely rare."

"Early speculation that psychedelics might lead to mental health problems was based on a small number of case reports and did not take into account either the widespread use of psychedelics or the not infrequent rate of mental health problems in the general population," Krebs explains.

"Over the past 50 years tens of millions of people have used psychedelics and there just is not much evidence of long-term problems," she concludes.

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Both researchers were supported by the Research Council of Norway.

The article may be seen at the PLOS ONE website after 5 p.m. EST 19 August at PLOS ONE

Previous research by the authors on LSD for alcoholism: http://www.ntnu.edu/news/2012-news/lsd


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Durin]
    #18731511 - 08/20/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: scrapske]
    #18731606 - 08/20/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I emailed this to my parents. They are absolutely convinced that my psychedelic drug usage is going to lead to a lifetime of flashbacks and insanity.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: empty space] * 1
    #18731647 - 08/20/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I emailed this to my parents. They are absolutely convinced that my psychedelic drug usage is going to lead to a lifetime of flashbacks and insanity.




There are risks for everything in life, for the most part psychedelic drugs are not very risky, yet there are some small risks for the mental health of the user.

There is a risk driving to the store, yet people do it everyday.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: qman]
    #18731662 - 08/20/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My father claims that he has a bunch of friends that lost their minds from eating acid but I think he is full of shit. I know a LOT of old hippies and there is a significant difference between the sane ones and the crazy ones. The biggest difference is whether or not they did a bunch of drugs other than psychedelics as well. I found that almost all of the sane ones mostly stuck to psychedelics and the crazy ones did a bunch of other drugs too.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: qman]
    #18731694 - 08/20/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of people on this forum won't like reading this, psychedelics are a convenient
scapegoat and unsubstantiated permanent trip stories abound.



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qman said:

There are risks for everything in life, for the most part psychedelic drugs are not very risky, yet there are some small risks for the mental health of the user.

There is a risk driving to the store, yet people do it everyday.




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    #18731801 - 08/20/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18732107 - 08/20/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Mostly the issues are if the person already has issues and is unstable, the psychedelic drugs may exacerbate these already present issues.


However ive done copius quantities of shrooms, no ill effects. As with many other cultivars here, we all have great access to psychedelic compounds.

Ive found it impossible to abuse psychedelics. Trust me, ive tried. After you eat so much, they just stop working. You need to take a break for a month or 2 to get your trip on again.




I agree for the most part, but I've gone on multi-year binges which just kept getting more potent as time went on. Actually found that I developed a reverse tolerance to psychedelics so over time it takes less to trip, a very small dose now generally overshadows the 50 tab trips of my teenaged days. Its not better drugs either

Few people would be willing to push the trips that far, a good amount of shroomerites but this is a website dedicated to shrooms. There is little danger of addiction or abuse, personally it was just good times anyhow not addiction or abuse.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18732202 - 08/20/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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a very small dose now generally overshadows the 50 tab trips of my teenaged days. Its not better drugs either





Goddamn, how did you afford that?


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Synthe]
    #18732334 - 08/20/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's cause Mental Health problems are usually a sign of brain damage or drug induced stress.


Edited by Konyap (08/20/13 01:37 PM)


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Synthe]
    #18732696 - 08/20/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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a very small dose now generally overshadows the 50 tab trips of my teenaged days. Its not better drugs either





Goddamn, how did you afford that?




Wasn't paying rent, so between my friends and I spending $3000 a month on drugs was easy. Longest binge was about 2 years at 18-19, usually they're more like 3 months with the rest of the year off. Been 10 years going and don't plan on changing a thing, except maybe to beat the 2 year record

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There's a lot of people around here done a lot more than me though


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Durin]
    #18732917 - 08/20/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Any traumatic event can cause mental problems whether they be drug related or not.  I don't think its common, but I know it can happen.  I do think psychedelics train your mind to deal with extremely stressful situations if you take them often enough which can seriously benefit some people.  I feel like I can handle most any problem, except  being a responsible human being.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: fapjack]
    #18733083 - 08/20/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is interesting...  because THC is known to cause psychosis.

Very interesting. :strokebeard:


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18733243 - 08/20/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This is interesting...  because THC is known to cause psychosis.

Very interesting. :strokebeard:




This is a correlational study based on self-reported data from a survey.  Plenty of confirmation bias seekers will erroneously read this title as something like "Psychedelics are proven to be completely harmless."

To say that people do not ever develop psychosis or precipitate mental health issues from psychedelic use is utterly retarded.  That's not what the study is illustrating; it's looking at overall trends in a subset of the population.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Society]
    #18733289 - 08/20/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

People in Norway have been using psychedelics since the dawn of history.

If you want to read this and say mushrooms are completely harmless at recreational doses why not?

You're just giving an opinion that has nothing to do with the study...


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Konyap]
    #18733333 - 08/20/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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aiyobro said:
If you want to read this and say mushrooms are completely harmless at recreational doses why not?




You're kidding, right?

You'd be spreading misinformation.  This just so happens to be the exact opposite of the purpose of this website.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Society]
    #18733356 - 08/20/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OMG dude if people where getting mental illness' from mushrooms then they wouldn't be used.

It's the chronic marijuana use of young teenagers, RC's, synthetic weed and abuse of amphetamine that is causing mental illness' the majority of the time.

Hell probably even the stigma of going to jail...

If you have a mental illness or are afraid of mental illness then don't use mushrooms.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Society]
    #18733360 - 08/20/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Society said:

You'd be spreading misinformation.  This just so happens to be the exact opposite of the purpose of this website.




If its true that they cause harm, anything can cause harm technically speaking, but to say that psychedelics noticeably increase your risk of harm in a particular area is another matter.
Personally I think they do present certain relatively small risks for any user, but outside of the obvious like operating heavy machinery, there's nothing I know of which conclusively proves that there is a physical or psychological risk. My opinion is that it sometimes precipitates latent psychological issues, but its nothing more than an opinion without proof


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18733364 - 08/20/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly, wrong topic to post this theory in anyway...


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Konyap]
    #18733370 - 08/20/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Konyap]
    #18733730 - 08/20/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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aiyobro said:
OMG dude if people where getting mental illness' from mushrooms then they wouldn't be used.

It's the chronic marijuana use of young teenagers, RC's, synthetic weed and abuse of amphetamine that is causing mental illness' the majority of the time.

Hell probably even the stigma of going to jail...

If you have a mental illness or are afraid of mental illness then don't use mushrooms.





You don't get mental illness from using psychedelics, however psychedelics can cause very traumatic experiences which can trigger serious mental issues.  Its not any drug usually causing mental illness either, its not a common occurrence but it does happen.  Seeing your friend die, being attacked, failing college can do the same thing.  People lose their minds all the time, and drugs can certainly be the tipping point for a lot of people.  I would never suggest anyone with a weak mind eat 1/4 oz of dried mushrooms, would you?


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: fapjack]
    #18733837 - 08/20/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Not really, but a recreational dose is far lesser then that, people wouldn't eat eighths of shrooms if they didn't need that much to get their moneys worth.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Konyap]
    #18733855 - 08/20/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The point is that psychedelics can cause very traumatic experience in people and this can trigger problems with one's mental health.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: fapjack]
    #18733888 - 08/20/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Butttt not as much as propaganda leds you to believe.

1/100 people get schizophrenia, that's saying your just as likely to get it another way then you are to get it from psychedelic use (or misuse?).

The article still stands. Again, Norwegian article..

If you go to different parts of the world the second you introduce a mental illness everyone will become aware that they have it, but it won't go away anytime soon.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: empty space]
    #18734222 - 08/20/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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My father claims that he has a bunch of friends that lost their minds from eating acid but I think he is full of shit. I know a LOT of old hippies and there is a significant difference between the sane ones and the crazy ones. The biggest difference is whether or not they did a bunch of drugs other than psychedelics as well. I found that almost all of the sane ones mostly stuck to psychedelics and the crazy ones did a bunch of other drugs too.



This. There's a fair group of older hippies around my town, most still normal, functional human beings. A few acid eaters got off the boat back in the day after chowing some sort of unidentified chemical passed off as acid, but as is more often the case they were already unstable when they separated from their minds and any semblance of reality. The other ones who, for the most part are still lucid except when they drink, got completely geeked out on crank for a long time. You could always cite Syd Barrett as an example, but he begin having difficulties when he was the primary songwriter and singer for Pink Floyd, and when he was chowing massive amounts of acid and mandrax his problems were magnified and he suffered a complete break. You never really know how anything is going to affect you until you try it, and excess might be somewhat enjoyable for a period of time, but look at Syd, look at Morrison, look at Joplin and Hendrix, they're all examples of why moderation is key. They were all damn great musicians, they just did too much too fast and lost it all.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18734335 - 08/20/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well when you're being worked to death munching on Quaaludes


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18735106 - 08/20/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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but look at Syd, look at Morrison, look at Joplin and Hendrix, they're all examples of why moderation is key. They were all damn great musicians, they just did too much too fast and lost it all.




Syd lost his marbles for some reason or another, as you were saying many (including myself) suspect that the massive doses he was taking magnified already existing problems.

On the other hand what did Morrison Joplin or Hendrix lose? They all overdosed on alcohol and heroin, and everyone knows that comes with the territory way back before the 60s. They were lucid and lived a dangerous lifestyle, with from what I've heard no regret on the matter. Personally I'm a fan of living fast and the possible consequences of the lifestyle is a small price to pay
Anyways back on these guys, none of them lost their shit on psychedelics except possible Syd


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18735141 - 08/20/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Argh, hendrix died of sleeping pills, his girlfriend gave him the wrong measurements cause europe and america used different measurements at that time.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Konyap]
    #18735159 - 08/20/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's too bad, I hear pills are a painful way to go


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18736129 - 08/21/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It wasnt the pills the killed him, it was suffocating on the vomit.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Sillyputty67] * 1
    #18736855 - 08/21/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well I hear drowning in vomit is a bad way to go too, and I was aware of that.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18736872 - 08/21/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you aren't conscious I doubt its that bad.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: fapjack]
    #18737064 - 08/21/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My old friends dad died that way, get massive brain damage in your sleep, he used to be a drinker.

There was a break in his intestine or something and it got in his stomach, he vomited while he was sleeping and choked on it, he wasn't on any drugs, right when I heard intestine I knew it was something he got from drinking, cause he made mad money when he was younger and spent it all on alcohol and partying.


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    #18738589 - 08/21/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Well I hear drowning in vomit is a bad way to go too



Especially if it's on somebody else's vomit (This is Spinal Tap).


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: empty space]
    #18779726 - 08/30/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You may want to consider the possibility that this article is full of shit.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: pmoseman]
    #18780625 - 08/31/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You may want to consider the possibility that this article is full of shit.




I've heard stories about people losing it on psyches.

From what I can tell they got paranoid and would try to bolt from their friends.

I have heard a couple stories though of people never coming out of the trip per se, still having warping effects and tunnel vision 24/7, but I've been here a long time and I saw maybe two articles about the same couple of people.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: Konyap]
    #25895252 - 03/25/19 04:56 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

You should always think about the consequences of what you are doing. The use of any drug in the future will give mental problems. I advise you to get free insurance quotes on site Generalinsurance.com it if you need medical care. You never know what can happen to health.


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Re: LSD and other psychedelics not linked with mental health problems [Re: DelonAlan]
    #25895994 - 03/25/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

dude i'd rather break an arm than use insurance to cover drug problems, that'd be a big giant waste of money, it'd be like going to a car mechanic because you don't like your paint job


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