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Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)?
    #18713539 - 08/16/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I've been training in a martial art called Aikido for over 10 years. Part of the premise of this art is the ability to tap into, extent, and manipulate ki energy. I've always heard it talked about by teachers and stuff and always thought it was a cool concept and everything, but never really FELT it until recently.

I've been training at a new dojo since I've moved to California. The sensei is this old ass little vietnamese dude who must be less than 5 feet tall. He's been studying martial arts his whole life and is a master of not only Aikido, but also Judo, Taekwondo, and Shaolin Kung Fu. He only teaches Aikido, but I can feel the influences of the other arts in the ways he teaches.

Since I've been training at this dojo, I really feel like I am connecting with an invisible energy. I feel I can use it to manipulate my balance and stuff in certain situations, or project it from my hands. Kinda like the "jedi force" I've also noticed at the end of class at this dojo, I feel really HIGH in an unusual way. Kinda like runner's high, but much more intense. It's not even something the teacher talks about or emphasizes, but I really feel like his instruction is helping it develop.

I've also been meditating fairly regularly and abstaining from masturbation for the most part. I think these practices help with developing this energy too.

It's kinda difficult to put into words, but I'm just curious if anyone else has had experiences like this with this invisible life energy.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18713667 - 08/16/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I spent much of my life in Martial Arts as a student and an instructor.  I believe now everyone experiences life energy just to get out of bed in the morning. With practice comes more skill. No big deal imo.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18713695 - 08/16/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I have SEEN it with my own eyes. It's like a heat ball thing, very hard to explain yet DragonballZ captures it perfectly. I notice it is basically intention because as you may have experienced, this force is slightly ahead of the body in time. It's always ahead, and you just grab onto it and let it pull you, it knows what it's doing and it always pulls you towards optimisation of your Self.



It's basically thought-energy, the summation of the four fundamental forces. Very powerful stuff. I am new to this aspect. I first saw it in January but lost contact with the visual aspect of it. If I sit down and meditate I can bring it up again but nowhere near the power I used to be able to. To be able to see it required me to make it my full-time job to cultivate Chi. It seems to take a few hours/days to build up enough for it to be visible. You will almost definitely not be able to really manipulate it without also practicing Brahmacharya (total abstention from sexual/lustful thoughts).


Thing is this energy is ancient, it reminds me of flubber. We use a dispersed form of it every day, it's what animates the body. To concentrate it you need pindrop silence and you need to be totally still in the mind. Then when your mind is completely silent, a series of symmetric geometrically aligned movements will create the necessary nerve resonance to amplify it to the level where it has a very physical momentum.

These such movements will be incredibly eye catching and they will make people go "whoa dude". Think Michael Jackson moonwalking for an idea - for some strange reason Michael Jackson clearly knew how to work with it from a young age! How he tapped into it, I have no idea but the fact I am mentioning his name and nobody else's is testament to how powerful Qi is when you truly use it for what it wants to live as. Same way you use a body to live life, is the same way Chi uses your soul to live something beyond biological life itself.


Magical things happen when you get a Chi ball and pull it up in front of the third eye, magical things. I ceased the experiment because it got too damn scary, I'm talking smoked DMT scary.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Icelander]
    #18713792 - 08/16/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What martial art did you train in Icelander?


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18714012 - 08/16/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Several but the one that really worked for me was Non Classical Wing Chun. A style developed by Bruce Lee and James DeMile in Seattle.  Also called Wing Chun Do at one time. His senior student John Beall was my primary instructor who opened his own school and changed things slightly and consequently also the name.  I was his first senior student and then taught for him for a time.  The style and name has subsequently changed again.

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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Icelander]
    #18714048 - 08/16/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If I studied something besides Aikido, it would probably be Wing Chun. It seems to me that they operate on similar principles, but with different styles of application.

I used to study kempo as a kid, but I never really found it to be very practical.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18714626 - 08/16/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yin and yang are the two principles of taoist alchemy
so what you ask
so you can use them like steps to rejuvenation
through living rested lifestyle and allowing oneself to cool
cooled people give off some coherence which is uplifting
you can tell meditative and cooled types because
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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: eve69]
    #18715130 - 08/16/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

From my studies in M.A. and Chinese Medicine:

Three Treasures:
Jing (Essence)
Chi (Vital Energy)
Shen (Spirit, Intent)

Energy can be increased in a human being. The development of chi can improve a ill or weaker person. More chi can enhance mental capacity too.

Jing spontaneously converts into qi, and qi into shen. One can enhance or speed up or slow down this process via qigong, tai ji, acupuncture or other practices that circulate chi.

A gardener who grows a seed into a tree, tending to it, watering, pruning, fertilizing, etc., is converting its jing into qi under the most favorable conditions. However, even with the best care he can't convert the tree back into the seed.

Another powerful MA to consider is Choy Lay Fut because it balances hard and soft styles and uses the body effectively similar to Aikido use of energy.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: human experience]
    #18731267 - 08/20/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm- I'll have to check that out


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18731287 - 08/20/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Try this forum: http://thetaobums.com/


You'll have much better answers on there, everyone on there knows the ins and outs of Qi and a lot can see/work with it too.



Pro tip. If you *really* want to see it and harness it with ease then drink some ayahuasca/syrian rue. In the same way water quenches thirst and oil won't, ayahuasca/harmala exaggerates or vivifies chi flow that no other drug or technique can. I've noticed it takes me around 5-30mins of Chi Gong on that to do what I would otherwise take literally 8-15hrs of straight movement and focus to otherwise get to.


It's very easy to build up intense energy on harmala alkaloids. It's the hidden dimension to ayahuasca that most people are too afraid to explore or simply totally unaware. I haven't really read anything about even the shamans using this aspect of it though doubtless they would have been aware of it.


Chi has this thing where it likes to dance, to move fluidly. Harmalas have this thing where they like to show you the entire last 20 seconds of your perception as a silver shimmery tracer on your entire experience of consciousness. Merge the two together and basically you can SEE the physical flow of your Qi over say 10-15 seconds. By seeing where you were 5 seconds ago in relation to where you are now, you gain this sense of the 4th dimensional flow of Qi along the time axis, something you normally wouldn't notice.

So for example you can move your hands around in swinging arms and collect all the tracers of your hands into a ball. The Qi will build up very intensely in direct perfect synchrony with the tracers.



Why? Because tracers are the direct shadow of Qi, in the same way that your shadow is the direct obvious deterministic correlate to the movement of the physical body.

If you can maintain stillness along 4 axes (x,y,z,t) then Qi ramps up insanely. It loves stillness and no-thought, it loves that you surrender and let go to its ecstatic dance. If Qi had a personality, it would literally be that of Flubber.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: crkhd]
    #18731295 - 08/20/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It seems to me that cactus consumption plays a role in stimulating this energy as well.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18731306 - 08/20/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Any psychedelic actually does this. It's from this I realised that nobody actually has a "bad trip". Instead they did bad gong movements. They thought impure thoughts, they did not keep a still mind and the trip unleashed a can of whoop ass on them, as if to say "how dare you use my divine potential for your pathetic bullshit".



On psychedelics you can do *AMAZING* things with Qi. LSD connects you to Yang Qi and it can be used for some incredible immersions. It takes the need to dose high or low out of the equation altogether. You can go to the same headspace with 1 hit of LSD as with 10 hits of LSD. It's just that with 10 hits of LSD the voice of LSD is so damn loud that you're going there no matter what.



But anyway every single bad trip is a result of someone not keeping their Qi in check. Qi is what actually manifests psychedelia. Through doing Qi Gong on psychedelics you can actively control and pilot the psychedelic experience.

I am amazed beyond measure. What I thought was a "trip" that "I" "enter", was actually a magical journey I had been manifesting the whole time. And now with the toolset of Qi Gong psychedelics are different. Before, someone else was taking me on a cruise. Now I'm in the helm of the most powerful fighter jet in the world, armed to the teeth with nyookular weaponry. I have no words to explain how you feel like doing Qi work on hallucinogens.

Like this guy, if anything:



The feeling of power is insane, incredible and scary beyond comprehension.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: crkhd]
    #18731319 - 08/20/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Any psychedelic actually does this. It's from this I realised that nobody actually has a "bad trip". Instead they did bad gong movements. They thought impure thoughts, they did not keep a still mind and the trip unleashed a can of whoop ass on them, as if to say "how dare you use my divine potential for your pathetic bullshit".




I've had plenty of impure thoughts etc. while tripping balls and never a bad trip in 40+ years.  What am I doing wrong? :lol:


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Icelander]
    #18731321 - 08/20/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Probably what you are doing right. Not becoming attached to said thoughts.


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18731380 - 08/20/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think I was pretty attached at times. :jennajameson:


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Icelander]
    #18731437 - 08/20/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Any psychedelic actually does this. It's from this I realised that nobody actually has a "bad trip". Instead they did bad gong movements. They thought impure thoughts, they did not keep a still mind and the trip unleashed a can of whoop ass on them, as if to say "how dare you use my divine potential for your pathetic bullshit".




I've had plenty of impure thoughts etc. while tripping balls and never a bad trip in 40+ years.  What am I doing wrong? :lol:




We do not have the full record of what is going inside and outside of the data block delineated by your birth and death but one day this will be frozen in time on a computer somewhere and then we shall be able to answer this step by step.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: crkhd]
    #18731464 - 08/20/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

can't wait:tongue:  In the mean time ....:jennajameson:


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: Icelander]
    #18731544 - 08/20/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Also from your posts here about how you wish humanity would be extinct and this entire thing is purposeless, it's manifestly visible that you are far from happiness. If anything you are living in that panic room of a trip except that panic room is your whole life and you've grown accustomed to it to the point you no longer give a fuck.


Also, a bad trip tends to require guilt. If you start off not giving a fuck about "I" or well, anything, it's pretty damn hard to have a bad trip. They only seem to arise when you take yourself too seriously in the moment. And trips have a knack for boosting the ego as much as they cease it. And you know inside we all like to think of ourselves as so important and that we matter. And when such perceptions are demolished, this can leave a foul taste in people's mouths.

"What if I'm like this forever?" == "I can't sit in a room alone with myself"


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: crkhd] * 1
    #18731860 - 08/20/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Also from your posts here about how you wish humanity would be extinct and this entire thing is purposeless, it's manifestly visible that you are far from happiness. If anything you are living in that panic room of a trip except that panic room is your whole life and you've grown accustomed to it to the point you no longer give a fuck.


Also, a bad trip tends to require guilt. If you start off not giving a fuck about "I" or well, anything, it's pretty damn hard to have a bad trip. They only seem to arise when you take yourself too seriously in the moment. And trips have a knack for boosting the ego as much as they cease it. And you know inside we all like to think of ourselves as so important and that we matter. And when such perceptions are demolished, this can leave a foul taste in people's mouths.

"What if I'm like this forever?" == "I can't sit in a room alone with myself"




Oh bullshit.  I wish humanity extinct due to great empathy for the suffering of ignorant humanity which seems unending to me.  And show me please where I've said life is purposeless.  You're just making that up.  And I also do give a fuck about my life. 

It's so funny how this gets personal for you every time I express my beliefs and experience when it doesn't back up  your claims.    So like I said most all of my trips have been ecstatic fun trips and the rest, at worse being mildly disappointing.

Get over yourself and keep your personalisms to yourself.  If you want to know what I think of your trip you can PM me. :satansmoking:

and let me quote you, "And say I, good thing this world is transient, and thank God for death."


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Re: Your experiences with ki, chi, or prana (invisible life energy)? [Re: crkhd]
    #18865259 - 09/19/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Try this forum: http://thetaobums.com/



Pro tip. If you *really* want to see it and harness it with ease then drink some ayahuasca/syrian rue. In the same way water quenches thirst and oil won't, ayahuasca/harmala exaggerates or vivifies chi flow that no other drug or technique can. I've noticed it takes me around 5-30mins of Chi Gong on that to do what I would otherwise take literally 8-15hrs of straight movement and focus to otherwise get to.


It's very easy to build up intense energy on harmala alkaloids. It's the hidden dimension to ayahuasca that most people are too afraid to explore or simply totally unaware. I haven't really read anything about even the shamans using this aspect of it though doubtless they would have been aware of it.


Chi has this thing where it likes to dance, to move fluidly. Harmalas have this thing where they like to show you the entire last 20 seconds of your perception as a silver shimmery tracer on your entire experience of consciousness. Merge the two together and basically you can SEE the physical flow of your Qi over say 10-15 seconds. By seeing where you were 5 seconds ago in relation to where you are now, you gain this sense of the 4th dimensional flow of Qi along the time axis, something you normally wouldn't notice.

So for example you can move your hands around in swinging arms and collect all the tracers of your hands into a ball. The Qi will build up very intensely in direct perfect synchrony with the tracers.



Why? Because tracers are the direct shadow of Qi, in the same way that your shadow is the direct obvious deterministic correlate to the movement of the physical body.





That explains A LOT of a personal experience during a 1st ayahuasca ceremony.  The body just moves in different flowing motions as if because of too much energy in the body suddenly became activated.  The senses also felt like tracing certain paths along in space, although I'm not sure how you define 'tracer' here.  But this makes a lot of sense to me. 

If you have more information about this area how Qi/meditation relates to ayahuasca or other psychedelics.  I'd be very interested to know more.  Of course I'd be checking out that link's sources.


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