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The illusion of freedoms * 1
    #18730878 - 08/20/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As I'm sure you all know freedoms are very limited. Especially in society. We seem to be bypassing the constitution a lot as of late. You have only 2 parties to vote for and you always have that 9-5 job just so you can live. The only species in the world that has to pay just to live.

Still society isn't the point of this thread. The truth is that even by natural law we're not free. The illusion of freedom of choice. You may think you have freedom of choice but you don't. All choices stem from an external source. Such as a situation or a person. If you really had it your way you would be choosing not to be in the situation in the first place. You can't escape bad situations. It's just destiny. You're living life down destinies path and you're given the freedom to choose how to handle your bad situations.

We're bound to this 3 dimensional planet and its surroundings. We're bound to our egos. We're not free. Freedom is an illusion. Discuss.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #18730886 - 08/20/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom to change all events around you :wtfsonic:


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18730892 - 08/20/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As long as we have thoughts we are never free

But it is possible to experience without thought
Or meditate without :smile:


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: lessismore]
    #18730895 - 08/20/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: lessismore]
    #18730896 - 08/20/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Is it just me or are people incapable of non chimp like thought today


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18730897 - 08/20/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Fire is Born said:
Freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom to change all events around you :wtfsonic:



What I'm saying is that your not free from destiny. If you had your way. You'd be able to bypass destiny. Just because you choose to change stuff doesn't mean that wasn't part of destiny and you're still going to have a never ending chain of things to fix. Yes that'll keep you busy but is that really your choice on how you want to live your life?


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18730900 - 08/20/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18730903 - 08/20/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it just me or are people incapable of non chimp like thought today



Maybe it's just you.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: rulesq]
    #18730905 - 08/20/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I believe freedom to be a concept, not really something tangible, like the Constitution. Freedoms and or rights do not exists unless we make them, then hold ourselves accountable to them.

With that said, I never felt more free. I have done most of the things I want in life.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #18730910 - 08/20/13 04:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Our thoughts are the biggest prison that restrict us without knowing it

Fear, doubt, frustration, worries etc  ..
Thoughts desires emotions  creates attachment, suffering

Let go of it all

Then its possible to have peace anywhere anytime

You will only see the beauty


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #18730919 - 08/20/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe freedom to be a concept, not really something tangible, like the Constitution. Freedoms and or rights do not exists unless we make them, then hold ourselves accountable to them.

With that said, I never felt more free. I have done most of the things I want in life.



But that was your destiny to do those things in life. You were bound to your own path and still are. You're not free to choose to go down a different path and why would you? Maybe I over think things too much but I've just been having to accept as of lately that I'm not free in any way. I just keep on truckin. Living in the moment seems to be the answer for every idea I think about. Even this. I'd imagine that's when you feel the most free. Still it is an illusion because you can't live in the moment forever. You can try but there's always the past and future weighing you down.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: lessismore]
    #18730923 - 08/20/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mio said:
Our thoughts are the biggest prison that restrict us without knowing it

Fear, doubt, frustration, worries etc  ..
Thoughts desires emotions  creates attachment, suffering

Let go of it all

Then its possible to have peace anywhere anytime

You will only see the beauty



But not all the time


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18730925 - 08/20/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't want to seem depressed. I'm not. In fact I feel enlightened to be able to see the truth that I'm not free at all. I just wanted to see if that's how everyone else feels.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18730926 - 08/20/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Only think when needed :smile:

I guess we all accepted suffering when we came here
I dont believe in coincidences

But we learn from that suffering

Ultimately there is no suffering with acceptance and if you dont believe in coincidences/that you are your body in the end

Accept it all, world, oneself, all religions, death
If you accept yourself you accept others
If you accept death you accept suffering and faith


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18730928 - 08/20/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Mad Season said:
. The illusion of freedom of choice. You may think you have freedom of choice but you don't.



I don't believe in destiny and don't see what you're stating other than the obvious


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18730942 - 08/20/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why is freedom an illusion?


What are you not free to do?


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18730944 - 08/20/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe.
There are some interesting studies in neuroscience that says your brain will process some ideas for days before it becomes a thought. If I remember right they were trying to liken it to how people suddenly have epiphanies and eureka moments.
Technically it would mean you're not really in control of your thought. You probably aren't really in control but not much you can do about it yet.


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Third dimensional imprisonment
Psychological tactics enforcing dogma
Generations of conditioning
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A perception of right and wrong installed by an unearthly party
With agendas of control
Never to be questioned
Too blind to see that we are prison born
Programmed to hate and fear
Disconnected consciousness
Lives dictated by ignorance
Cowering in fear of their dogma
We are bound to a state of physical dimension
Never to move beyond and break free from the prison born


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Soulidarity]
    #18731938 - 08/20/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is freedom an illusion?


What are you not free to do?



I'm not free to be myself. Isn't that the biggest limitation on freedoms ever? I have to worry about what people think before I can do what I want. I can't get high, I can't walk around nude, I can't sit on the sidewalk/beside it without looking very strange. I can't talk too loud without someone sushing me. I can't be friends with a younger girl without people calling me a pedo. I'm not free at all. These are just a few examples and they shouldn't even be a problem because I'm not harming anyone but myself. I'm sure you could think of many more reasons as to why you can't just be yourself or why you're free.

Also I'm not free from my ego either so that puts not free to being yourself to a whole new level.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: Mad Season]
    #18732048 - 08/20/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

you worrying what other people think is self-imposed.

you still are free to be who you want.


just as they are free to judge you for it.


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Re: The illusion of freedoms [Re: NWlight]
    #18733631 - 08/20/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Except their opinion could incarcerate me and actually harm my life. If the ideal of freedom existed then I'd be all good. If freedom existed then their opinion wouldn't actually negatively effect my life.

I'm willing to let them think what they want as long as the biases of society don't actually ruin my life.


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