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Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
#18730228 - 08/19/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779] 3
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damn theres some shitty people out there eh
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
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One cease and desist letter, comin' right up...
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Sheekle] 1
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If he's making disruptive noises in the neighborhood, I sympathize.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
#18730242 - 08/19/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol I didn't actually read the letter until now
still in bad tastes
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779] 2
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thats messed up
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Sheekle] 5
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This letter looks like it was written by a fairly well-articulated twelve-year-old.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Sheekle] 4
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LOL, you it's an autistic kid. sorry, he isn't furniture. anyone who feels sympathetic to the idiot that wrote this letter, are just asinine.
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Da2ra said: If he's making disruptive noises in the neighborhood, I sympathize.
Regardless, the tone of the letter is awful as fuck. And of course like all cowards it was sent anonymously.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Niffla]
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Niffla said: Regardless, the tone of the letter is awful as fuck.
yeah like who does that shit
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Niffla] 4
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It's funny. In skimming the title of this thread I was under the impression that this letter was wrote by an autistic boy towards his parents.
Then I reread everything and I'm still convinced the author was autistic as well.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
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Yeah I just read this but why'd you post it here?
Well, my 2c... I think the real tard here was the writer who penned the letter.
That said, not all her points are invalid.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
#18730287 - 08/19/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/ontario-police-aware-hateful-letter-telling-family-euthanize-171036930.html
There's a thread about you being a cop, or serious troll OP..some meth tweaked made it
I would be ready to rage if i ever got a letter like that.
If this letter is real, the person who wrote it should come to my house so i could euthinize them..
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Niffla] 4
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I sympathize with the letter writer to some degree. However, the tone is insulting and inappropriate, and I really think it crossed the line.
BUT, I live next door to a family that has an autistic daughter and also decided to adopt an autistic little boy.
I truly feel sorry for the kid, but his parents are dicks. Their son has insane tantrums at all hours of the day. The way they calm him is to take him outside and let him smash his toy trucks into the concrete over and over and over for sometimes as long as 90 minutes. So, I have a screaming, tantrum throwing five year old right outside my window whose only way of coming down off a tantrum is to make the most terrible noise I can imagine for an hour.
I've asked them if they could take him in their backyard or find another way to calm him. They basically told me that autistics are close to god and truly divine, so whatever he does is a reflection of god. As an atheist, that's hardly a satisfying solution.
I really don't know what to do. Moving isn't an option for me right now. I'm very tolerant because I know his parents are idiots and he didn't choose to be autistic. But when it happens at 5AM three days in a row I feel stretched to my limit.
Even in my situation I would never send them the type of letter the OP posted. I'm just really hoping he grows out of this phase.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Niffla]
#18730335 - 08/19/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel sorry for the person who wrote the letter.
not because of the situation, but because they are angry and superficial.
She could've said the same exact thing in a much nicer way.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: dokunai] 1
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dokunai said: I sympathize with the letter writer to some degree. However, the tone is insulting and inappropriate, and I really think it crossed the line.
BUT, I live next door to a family that has an autistic daughter and also decided to adopt an autistic little boy.
I truly feel sorry for the kid, but his parents are dicks. Their son has insane tantrums at all hours of the day. The way they calm him is to take him outside and let him smash his toy trucks into the concrete over and over and over for sometimes as long as 90 minutes. So, I have a screaming, tantrum throwing five year old right outside my window whose only way of coming down off a tantrum is to make the most terrible noise I can imagine for an hour.
I've asked them if they could take him in their backyard or find another way to calm him. They basically told me that autistics are close to god and truly divine, so whatever he does is a reflection of god. As an atheist, that's hardly a satisfying solution.
I really don't know what to do. Moving isn't an option for me right now. I'm very tolerant because I know his parents are idiots and he didn't choose to be autistic. But when it happens at 5AM three days in a row I feel stretched to my limit.
Even in my situation I would never send them the type of letter the OP posted. I'm just really hoping he grows out of this phase.
How do you give any sympathy for the writer? I wouldn't.
If i were in their shoes and someone called my autistic kid a retard, man or women.. Something would happen.
Atheist??... Like you worship mr. Devil?
Idk no offense friend, i just have love for everyone, and when someone crosses the line like that letter, i become ...very violent.. If i could findout the bitch that wrote that letter I'd break every fuckng bone... -....too far nevermind, sorry but I'd definitely be angry..
Some people are wicked, i feel like i was born to rid the wicked and pull some Charles Bronson shit
Beat up punks, take care of gangs.. Ya know everyday hero shit
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Synthe]
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Beat up punks, take care of gangs.. Ya know everyday hero shit

Punisher is pretty kick ass, but i don't have a wife that died... I could kill her to fit the description, but i don't think she'd like that
I was thinking I'd go for the Danny trejo look... He's a badass, just minus the Mexicanness.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead] 2
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dokunai said: I sympathize with the letter writer to some degree. However, the tone is insulting and inappropriate, and I really think it crossed the line.
BUT, I live next door to a family that has an autistic daughter and also decided to adopt an autistic little boy.
I truly feel sorry for the kid, but his parents are dicks. Their son has insane tantrums at all hours of the day. The way they calm him is to take him outside and let him smash his toy trucks into the concrete over and over and over for sometimes as long as 90 minutes. So, I have a screaming, tantrum throwing five year old right outside my window whose only way of coming down off a tantrum is to make the most terrible noise I can imagine for an hour.
I've asked them if they could take him in their backyard or find another way to calm him. They basically told me that autistics are close to god and truly divine, so whatever he does is a reflection of god. As an atheist, that's hardly a satisfying solution.
I really don't know what to do. Moving isn't an option for me right now. I'm very tolerant because I know his parents are idiots and he didn't choose to be autistic. But when it happens at 5AM three days in a row I feel stretched to my limit.
Even in my situation I would never send them the type of letter the OP posted. I'm just really hoping he grows out of this phase.
How do you give any sympathy for the writer? I wouldn't.
If i were in their shoes and someone called my autistic kid a retard, man or women.. Something would happen.
Atheist??... Like you worship mr. Devil?
Idk no offense friend, i just have love for everyone, and when someone crosses the line like that letter, i become ...very violent.. If i could findout the bitch that wrote that letter I'd break every fuckng bone... -....too far nevermind, sorry but I'd definitely be angry..
Some people are wicked, i feel like i was born to rid the wicked and pull some Charles Bronson shit
Beat up punks, take care of gangs.. Ya know everyday hero shit
By sympathy I mean I can personally understand the level of frustration they probably feel. Not everyone deals with these types of situations in a mature way, as the letter writer clearly does not.
I really don't appreciate the implication that being atheist means I am satanic. Where the hell would you get that idea? Maybe from your local bible-thumping preacher? Do you know what an atheist is? Guess what, just as much as I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in satan.
As someone who does not believe in the biblical god, getting an explanation from my neighbors that their son can do anything at anytime because he is connected to the divine does very little to relieve my frustration.
Are you biblically or morally righteous? Sounds like it. If you think someone insulted your hypothetically retarded son in a letter, what justification does that give you to physically assault them?
And what gives you the right to decide who is wicked and should be brutally murdered by your hand? OK, let me guess, your interpretation of the bible? You reek of vainglorious righteousness. Even more disturbing, you feel you have the right to impose whatever consequences, Charles Bronson style, you choose on anyone who offends your morality or commits the deadly sin of insulting you or someone in your family. You, personally, are one of the punks you mention wanting to eradicate. We don't need attitudes like yours if our society is ever going to escape this intense epidemic of violence we are currently experiencing.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: dokunai] 1
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dokunai said: By sympathy I mean I can personally understand the level of frustration they probably feel. Not everyone deals with these types of situations in a mature way, as the letter writer clearly does not.
She needs a healthy dose of perspective. If she doesn't like it in her neighborhood, she should move, or think long and hard about why she can't. As a mother of "normal" kids she's certainly in a better position to make a decent living and move to a roomier neighborhood than the parents of an autistic child. Instead she chooses to whine about it at a third-grade level. She deserves every ounce of frustration she gets.
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I really don't appreciate the implication that being atheist means I am satanic. Where the hell would you get that idea? Maybe from your local bible-thumping preacher? Do you know what an atheist is? Guess what, just as much as I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in satan.
Satan = ego. Your rejection of God places your ego at the highest authority. Therefore, you are a Satanist. Just FYI.
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you're actually serious?
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There's no such thing as "satan", just FYI.
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Tee hee... religious talk.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Synthe]
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There's no such thing as ego? 
Modern Satanism (actual self-described Satanists) describe Satanism as the worship of the self.
I'm guessing you think "Satan" is a cartoon devil, in which case I'm embarrassed for your apparent need to assure me cartoon devils don't exist.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: dokunai]
#18730444 - 08/19/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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dokunai said:
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Dr.Dankhead said:
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dokunai said: I sympathize with the letter writer to some degree. However, the tone is insulting and inappropriate, and I really think it crossed the line.
BUT, I live next door to a family that has an autistic daughter and also decided to adopt an autistic little boy.
I truly feel sorry for the kid, but his parents are dicks. Their son has insane tantrums at all hours of the day. The way they calm him is to take him outside and let him smash his toy trucks into the concrete over and over and over for sometimes as long as 90 minutes. So, I have a screaming, tantrum throwing five year old right outside my window whose only way of coming down off a tantrum is to make the most terrible noise I can imagine for an hour.
I've asked them if they could take him in their backyard or find another way to calm him. They basically told me that autistics are close to god and truly divine, so whatever he does is a reflection of god. As an atheist, that's hardly a satisfying solution.
I really don't know what to do. Moving isn't an option for me right now. I'm very tolerant because I know his parents are idiots and he didn't choose to be autistic. But when it happens at 5AM three days in a row I feel stretched to my limit.
Even in my situation I would never send them the type of letter the OP posted. I'm just really hoping he grows out of this phase.
How do you give any sympathy for the writer? I wouldn't.
If i were in their shoes and someone called my autistic kid a retard, man or women.. Something would happen.
Atheist??... Like you worship mr. Devil?
Idk no offense friend, i just have love for everyone, and when someone crosses the line like that letter, i become ...very violent.. If i could findout the bitch that wrote that letter I'd break every fuckng bone... -....too far nevermind, sorry but I'd definitely be angry..
Some people are wicked, i feel like i was born to rid the wicked and pull some Charles Bronson shit
Beat up punks, take care of gangs.. Ya know everyday hero shit
By sympathy I mean I can personally understand the level of frustration they probably feel. Not everyone deals with these types of situations in a mature way, as the letter writer clearly does not.
I really don't appreciate the implication that being atheist means I am satanic. Where the hell would you get that idea? Maybe from your local bible-thumping preacher? Do you know what an atheist is? Guess what, just as much as I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in satan.
As someone who does not believe in the biblical god, getting an explanation from my neighbors that their son can do anything at anytime because he is connected to the divine does very little to relieve my frustration.
Are you biblically or morally righteous? Sounds like it. If you think someone insulted your hypothetically retarded son in a letter, what justification does that give you to physically assault them?
And what gives you the right to decide who is wicked and should be brutally murdered by your hand? OK, let me guess, your interpretation of the bible? You reek of vainglorious righteousness. Even more disturbing, you feel you have the right to impose whatever consequences, Charles Bronson style, you choose on anyone who offends your morality or commits the deadly sin of insulting you or someone in your family. You, personally, are one of the punks you mention wanting to eradicate. We don't need attitudes like yours if our society is ever going to escape this intense epidemic of violence we are currently experiencing.
Woah buddy chill out..
First off, maybe i just don't understand the definition of atheism..
I am neutral when it comes to religion, i don't believe in any religion, but i do believe there is some sort of superficial/ superior being.. And I'm certainly not a fucking bible thumper.. I appreciate your insults
Second of all, where in my post did i say I'd brutally murder anyone? Maybe I'm violent when mad, but that's only when someone makes me snap.. I wouldn't kill anyone, but hurt them.. In a loving way
Anyway i didn't mean to suggest you worshiped satan.. I had a question mark there for a reason, merely asking if you did.
If someone insulted me or my family like they had in that letter, weather it be morally or biblically righteous or not, I'd stomp there mother fuckin face in. I'd teach them moral and respect for fellow man, to never pull shit like that again.
I'm sorry i made you so upset guy, i am very reasonable. Certain people should pay and take responsibility for their wickedness.. That's where I'd come in.
I wouldn't just beat the shit out of innocent undeserving people, even if they insulted me.. But if they cross the line, I'd have no problem putting them in there place
Other than that.. I'm as peaceful as rasputin..
No disrespect.. I didn't insult you at all like you have me.. But here i am nice... And calm..
So calm down
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dokunai said: By sympathy I mean I can personally understand the level of frustration they probably feel. Not everyone deals with these types of situations in a mature way, as the letter writer clearly does not.
She needs a healthy dose of perspective. If she doesn't like it in her neighborhood, she should move, or think long and hard about why she can't. As a mother of "normal" kids she's certainly in a better position to make a decent living and move to a roomier neighborhood than the parents of an autistic child. Instead she chooses to whine about it at a third-grade level. She deserves every ounce of frustration she gets.
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I really don't appreciate the implication that being atheist means I am satanic. Where the hell would you get that idea? Maybe from your local bible-thumping preacher? Do you know what an atheist is? Guess what, just as much as I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in satan.
Satan = ego. Your rejection of God places your ego at the highest authority. Therefore, you are a Satanist. Just FYI.
I am no such thing. I am a secular humanist and methodological naturalist. I cannot accept a proposition without evidence. There is no conclusive evidence of any godman, but there is especially no evidence to be found for your magical sky daddy christfather. You are a brainwashed cultist.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
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Dr.Dankhead said:
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dokunai said:
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Dr.Dankhead said:
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dokunai said: I sympathize with the letter writer to some degree. However, the tone is insulting and inappropriate, and I really think it crossed the line.
BUT, I live next door to a family that has an autistic daughter and also decided to adopt an autistic little boy.
I truly feel sorry for the kid, but his parents are dicks. Their son has insane tantrums at all hours of the day. The way they calm him is to take him outside and let him smash his toy trucks into the concrete over and over and over for sometimes as long as 90 minutes. So, I have a screaming, tantrum throwing five year old right outside my window whose only way of coming down off a tantrum is to make the most terrible noise I can imagine for an hour.
I've asked them if they could take him in their backyard or find another way to calm him. They basically told me that autistics are close to god and truly divine, so whatever he does is a reflection of god. As an atheist, that's hardly a satisfying solution.
I really don't know what to do. Moving isn't an option for me right now. I'm very tolerant because I know his parents are idiots and he didn't choose to be autistic. But when it happens at 5AM three days in a row I feel stretched to my limit.
Even in my situation I would never send them the type of letter the OP posted. I'm just really hoping he grows out of this phase.
How do you give any sympathy for the writer? I wouldn't.
If i were in their shoes and someone called my autistic kid a retard, man or women.. Something would happen.
Atheist??... Like you worship mr. Devil?
Idk no offense friend, i just have love for everyone, and when someone crosses the line like that letter, i become ...very violent.. If i could findout the bitch that wrote that letter I'd break every fuckng bone... -....too far nevermind, sorry but I'd definitely be angry..
Some people are wicked, i feel like i was born to rid the wicked and pull some Charles Bronson shit
Beat up punks, take care of gangs.. Ya know everyday hero shit
By sympathy I mean I can personally understand the level of frustration they probably feel. Not everyone deals with these types of situations in a mature way, as the letter writer clearly does not.
I really don't appreciate the implication that being atheist means I am satanic. Where the hell would you get that idea? Maybe from your local bible-thumping preacher? Do you know what an atheist is? Guess what, just as much as I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in satan.
As someone who does not believe in the biblical god, getting an explanation from my neighbors that their son can do anything at anytime because he is connected to the divine does very little to relieve my frustration.
Are you biblically or morally righteous? Sounds like it. If you think someone insulted your hypothetically retarded son in a letter, what justification does that give you to physically assault them?
And what gives you the right to decide who is wicked and should be brutally murdered by your hand? OK, let me guess, your interpretation of the bible? You reek of vainglorious righteousness. Even more disturbing, you feel you have the right to impose whatever consequences, Charles Bronson style, you choose on anyone who offends your morality or commits the deadly sin of insulting you or someone in your family. You, personally, are one of the punks you mention wanting to eradicate. We don't need attitudes like yours if our society is ever going to escape this intense epidemic of violence we are currently experiencing.
Woah buddy chill out..
First off, maybe i just don't understand the definition of atheism..
I am neutral when it comes to religion, i don't believe in any religion, but i do believe there is some sort of superficial/ superior being.. And I'm certainly not a fucking bible thumper.. I appreciate your insults
Second of all, where in my post did i say I'd brutally murder anyone? Maybe I'm violent when mad, but that's only when someone makes me snap.. I wouldn't kill anyone, but hurt them.. In a loving way
Anyway i didn't mean to suggest you worshiped satan.. I had a question mark there for a reason, merely asking if you did.
If someone insulted me or my family like they had in that letter, weather it be morally or biblically righteous or not, I'd stomp there mother fuckin face in. I'd teach them moral and respect for fellow man, to never pull shit like that again.
I'm sorry i made you so upset guy, i am very reasonable. Certain people should pay and take responsibility for their wickedness.. That's where I'd come in.
I wouldn't just beat the shit out of innocent undeserving people, even if they insulted me.. But if they cross the line, I'd have no problem putting them in there place
Other than that.. I'm as peaceful as rasputin..
No disrespect.. I didn't insult you at all like you have me.. But here i am nice... And calm..
So calm down
Wasn't talking to you. You sound very reasonable and I'd love to discuss any of those points with you in a civil fashion.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: dokunai]
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hate for the retarded is turning into philosophical debate 
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dokunai said: I am no such thing. I am a secular humanist and methodological naturalist. I cannot accept a proposition without evidence. There is no conclusive evidence of any godman, but there is especially no evidence to be found for your magical sky daddy christfather. You are a brainwashed cultist.
Where did I ever assign a gender to God or say anything about Jesus?
You are assuming a lot about me right now. I think you need to stop, breathe, and take inventory.
EDIT: By the way, I think it's very interesting that in all your indignant bluster you failed to respond to the on-topic part of my post. Did I hit a nerve?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead] 1
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Im speechless, honestly I am. I dont know how, why or what the fuck this person was thinking.. this isnt even facepalm worthy, this is like arson worthy. I share a view on certain things that most people wouldnt agree with but not autism. Like Holy fuck, that letter was beyond rediculous.
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Demonic_Chronic said: Im speechless, honestly I am. I dont know how, why or what the fuck this person was thinking.. this isnt even facepalm worthy, this is like arson worthy. I share a view on certain things that most people wouldnt agree with but not autism. Like Holy fuck, that letter was beyond rediculous.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead] 1
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I think the person who wrote the letter went way way overboard, but shit, you can't be havin all that noise in a neiborhood if its so bad its a nucience. They actually have a law for that. Its a noise complaint. The parents of the child need to find another outlet for him other than waking up and disterbing the neibors. Of course he doesn't need to be killed by the youth in asia, but come on. It'd be like a neibor constantly blasting music out of there windows all the time, but worse, cause its a human making god awful loud ass screaming noises. That shit would freak out any little kid that heard it all the time, givin em nightmares and shit. Doesn't the government give some kind of financial support to parents like these? Kid needs some help, and its out there. These parents seem lazy to me. Still, letter went too far. Sounds like she was at her wits end though....
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burn bitch...........buuuurrrrnnnn
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead] 3
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"Sincerely - one pissed off mother"
Jesus with a horrible uncaring mother like that it would be a miracle if her own children didn't grow up to be serial killers. It's times like these I wish I was a billionaire so I could buy up all the land around her house to open up a center for children with Tourette syndrome and severe mental disorders right next door.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Murph]
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Murph said: "Sincerely - one pissed off mother"
Jesus with a horrible uncaring mother like that it would be a miracle if her own children didn't grow up to be serial killers. It's times like these I wish I was a billionaire so I could buy up all the land around her house to open up a center for children with Tourette syndrome and severe mental disorders right next door.
 
That's great.
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Wow. Just.... wow. You RELLY sound brainwashed. Isn't the devil an angel that was cast down by god, according to the bible? Not 'ego'? What denomination of christianity do you identify your self with? I bet your bible studies are a whole lot of yelling and faggot bashing and taking gods judgement into your own hands. How far off am I? If you don't belive in the devil how can you worship him? And if satan is ego, and we all posses ego, then that means were all satan? Your views are just fuckin nuts.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: huffinglue]
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I'm areligious. I don't go to bible studies, I go to college.
Are you another one of those atheists who thinks extreme self-aggrandizement is scientifically rational?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: huffinglue]
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huffinglue said: Wow. Just.... wow. You RELLY sound brainwashed. Isn't the devil an angel that was cast down by god, according to the bible? Not 'ego'? What denomination of christianity do you identify your self with? I bet your bible studies are a whole lot of yelling and faggot bashing and taking gods judgement into your own hands. How far off am I? If you don't belive in the devil how can you worship him? And if satan is ego, and we all posses ego, then that means were all satan? Your views are just fuckin nuts.
Oh lord.....
I'VE STARTED A WAAAAAAR!!!
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
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I don't like dogs and feel the same way about dogs as the lady that wrote that letter feels about teh autistic kid.
I hope all dogs are euthanized.
Also its ironic its signed "one pissed off mother" because kids are notoriously horrible bastards that don't belong in public spaces but most parents just give up and lose all shame after awhile.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: teamkiller]
#18730780 - 08/20/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cowardly bitch didn't have the ovaries to put her name on it either. People like this are horrible.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psychodelia]
#18730784 - 08/20/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm pretty sure they're gonna figure out who did it. I doubt there is more than 1 megabitch on that block.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: teamkiller]
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psychodelia]
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psychodelia said: Cowardly bitch didn't have the ovaries to put her name on it either. People like this are horrible.
For one, calling her names doesn't make you better than her.
Also,
all the people sympathizing with the writer of the letter, this is ALMOST as bad or maybe even worse to the whole sympathizing with it being ok to have sex with 13-16 year olds.
It's all effed up, IMO, and anyone who has any sympathy on any of these people.. Well, that's their right to do so , I guess. But it's sad. And sick.
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He is a hinderance to everyone and will always be that way!!!!! Who the hell is going to care for him?????? No employer will hire him, no normal girl is going to marry/love him and you are not going to live forever!! Personally, they should take whatever non-retarded body parts he possesses and donate it to science. What the hell else good is he to anyone!!! You had a retarded kid, deal with it... properly!!!!!! What right do you have to do this to hard working people!!!!!!! I HATE people like you who believe, just because you have a special needs kid, you are entitled to special treatment!!! GOD!!!!!!
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
#18730838 - 08/20/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The author of that letter is a douchebag. Being that ignorant is just asking for a disability to appear in one's family. Kinda like someone pretending to have cancer wind up getting it down the line.
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Satan = ego. Your rejection of God places your ego at the highest authority. Therefore, you are a Satanist. Just FYI.
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No. I just want to know what kind of religion you subscribe to and answer the question about satan and ego. It doesn't seem very rational to me. Why not answer the questions? Did I strike a cord or something??
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: huffinglue]
#18730881 - 08/20/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not rational
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: teamkiller]
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teamkiller said: I don't like dogs and feel the same way about dogs as the lady that wrote that letter feels about teh autistic kid.
I hope all dogs are euthanized.
You're an idiot. I don't like idiots and feel the same way about idiots as the lady that wrote that letter feels about the autistic kid.
I hope all idiots are euthanized.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Murph]
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Murph said: "Sincerely - one pissed off mother"
Jesus with a horrible uncaring mother like that it would be a miracle if her own children didn't grow up to be serial killers. It's times like these I wish I was a billionaire so I could buy up all the land around her house to open up a center for children with Tourette syndrome and severe mental disorders right next door.
I loved this post. 
Her approach to the situation is horrible. Here is to this coming back around to bite her in the ass.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: huffinglue]
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huffinglue said: Wow. Just.... wow. You RELLY sound brainwashed. Isn't the devil an angel that was cast down by god, according to the bible? Not 'ego'? What denomination of christianity do you identify your self with? I bet your bible studies are a whole lot of yelling and faggot bashing and taking gods judgement into your own hands. How far off am I? If you don't belive in the devil how can you worship him? And if satan is ego, and we all posses ego, then that means were all satan? Your views are just fuckin nuts.
Just to clarify, the poster you are responding to elucidated the point he or she was making further here:
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Modern Satanism (actual self-described Satanists) describe Satanism as the worship of the self.
I'm guessing you think "Satan" is a cartoon devil, in which case I'm embarrassed for your apparent need to assure me cartoon devils don't exist.
Which is relatively accurate. The Satanic Bible as written by Anton LaVey is very much written in a way that describes anyone who places ego first as being a "Satanist". Predominately speaking, people who actually proclaim themselves to be Satanists do not tend to worship "the devil" in its biblical sense of a scary creature ruling over hell.
Not saying I subscribe to Satanism or presuppose that BlindSophist does -- but I have read through the book a number of times and might as well just point out where I think this argument is stemming out of.
I also don't really think a person could be a Satanist without knowing it himself or herself though.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Tantrika]
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huffinglue said: Wow. Just.... wow. You RELLY sound brainwashed. Isn't the devil an angel that was cast down by god, according to the bible? Not 'ego'? What denomination of christianity do you identify your self with? I bet your bible studies are a whole lot of yelling and faggot bashing and taking gods judgement into your own hands. How far off am I? If you don't belive in the devil how can you worship him? And if satan is ego, and we all posses ego, then that means were all satan? Your views are just fuckin nuts.
Just to clarify, the poster you are responding to elucidated the point he or she was making further here:
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BlindSophist said: There's no such thing as ego? 
Modern Satanism (actual self-described Satanists) describe Satanism as the worship of the self.
I'm guessing you think "Satan" is a cartoon devil, in which case I'm embarrassed for your apparent need to assure me cartoon devils don't exist.
Which is relatively accurate. The Satanic Bible as written by Anton LaVey is very much written in a way that describes anyone who places ego first as being a "Satanist". Predominately speaking, people who actually proclaim themselves to be Satanists do not tend to worship "the devil" in its biblical sense of a scary creature ruling over hell.
Not saying I subscribe to Satanism or presuppose that BlindSophist does -- but I have read through the book a number of times and might as well just point out where I think this argument is stemming out of.
I also don't really think a person could be a Satanist without knowing it himself or herself though. 
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
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Wow someone just had an Internet moment IRL
I wonder what that confrontation would have been like face to face, probably a whole lot more civil than in that letter.
Some people just turn into deranged jerks once they get behind the keyboard, they need physical presence of the other to adjust their feelings accordingly.
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Person that mailed it to the family are assholes, person that posted on the internet is a fucking attention whore. Don't see why it belongs on twitter except to get pity, really don't understand why people do that type of shit, guess they want 15 minutes of fame too. Wonder if its fake...
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This. So fucking this. Any pussy can act hard behind a computer screen.
There was a story (legit too) that came out a few months back where some internet tough guy was tweeting threats to an amateur boxer, saying how the boxer was trash and that he'd fuck him up.
Well mr. amateur boxer got pissed enough to track him down. And then the boxer started tweeting mr. internet tough guy that he was on the way to his town (I think he lived like 2 hours away). He would stop and tweet pictures of how many miles he had left to go (you know, taking pics of the signs). Eventually he showed up on dude's doorstep. The boxer filmed it with his phone...as mr. internet pussy begged and pleaded with him to not beat his ass. The guy was in tears apologizing to him.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Some people just turn into deranged jerks once they get behind the keyboard, they need physical presence of the other to adjust their feelings accordingly.
This. So fucking this. Any pussy can act hard behind a computer screen.
There was a story (legit too) that came out a few months back where some internet tough guy was tweeting threats to an amateur boxer, saying how the boxer was trash and that he'd fuck him up.
Well mr. amateur boxer got pissed enough to track him down. And then the boxer started tweeting mr. internet tough guy that he was on the way to his town (I think he lived like 2 hours away). He would stop and tweet pictures of how many miles he had left to go (you know, taking pics of the signs). Eventually he showed up on dude's doorstep. The boxer filmed it with his phone...as mr. internet pussy begged and pleaded with him to not beat his ass. The guy was in tears apologizing to him.
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: fapjack]
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So, in conclusion we've learned:
satanism and satan are symbols for the ego self and ego mastery per se.
autistic children have harder times communicating themselves in what we perceive as normal so it affects those who don't understand their actions.
people are assholes and being an asshole and shitting on everything doesn't make it easier to solve.
what else is fucking new shroomery?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Fire is Born]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Some people just turn into deranged jerks once they get behind the keyboard, they need physical presence of the other to adjust their feelings accordingly.
This. So fucking this. Any pussy can act hard behind a computer screen.
There was a story (legit too) that came out a few months back where some internet tough guy was tweeting threats to an amateur boxer, saying how the boxer was trash and that he'd fuck him up.
Well mr. amateur boxer got pissed enough to track him down. And then the boxer started tweeting mr. internet tough guy that he was on the way to his town (I think he lived like 2 hours away). He would stop and tweet pictures of how many miles he had left to go (you know, taking pics of the signs). Eventually he showed up on dude's doorstep. The boxer filmed it with his phone...as mr. internet pussy begged and pleaded with him to not beat his ass. The guy was in tears apologizing to him.
LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF
Link? Also reminds me of jay and silent bob
Okay so my ending wasn't quite accurate, lmao. But I swear, that's how it was told to me by a friend 
Here's the link and story.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--boxer-combats-cyberbullying-by-tracking-down-his-twitter-bully-024738024.html
Boxer combats cyberbullying by tracking down his Twitter bully
Boxer Curtis Woodhouse lived out the private fantasy of countless athletes on Monday, forcing a confrontational Twitter tormentor to back down by turning up at his house.
Woodhouse, a former professional soccer player in his native United Kingdom, snapped upon receiving a series of taunting tweets from a user named "The Master" after losing his English lightweight title to Shayne Singleton in a controversial bout last weekend.
"Whats funny u put so much effort in, sacrificed all that time and failed to defend your Mickey Mouse title," was one of the more palatable messages from the @jimmyob88 handle, part of a stream of rants laced with offensive language.
Curtis Woodhouse tweeted this photo of the road where his cyberbully lives.
Yet the keyboard warrior soon had the wind taken out of his sails when Woodhouse apparently tracked down the user's address and drove to his street, believed to be in Sheffield in the northern English county of Yorkshire.
Upon his arrival, Woodhouse tweeted a photograph of the street sign, stating: "Right Jimbob, I'm here! Someone tell me what number he lives at, or do I have to knock on every door."
At that point the clearly (and understandably) flustered Twitter "troll" decided discretion was the better part of valor, and hastily retreated into a neutral corner of cyberspace, offering a series of apologetic messages and insisting his taunts were merely intended in jest.
Woodhouse took his leave and it is understood that the pair never met face to face, but by the time the fighter had returned home his actions had gone viral on the Internet.
The extraordinary exchange prompted a flood of social media attention for the 32-year-old, who turned his back on soccer at the age of 26 after becoming disillusioned with the sport, despite earning a significantly higher salary than he subsequently managed in boxing.
Former world champion boxer Ricky Hatton messaged Woodhouse to voice his amusement, as did notorious English soccer player Joey Barton, who now plays for Marseille in France. Barton, who has routinely become involved in Twitter arguments in the past, went so far as to describe Woodhouse as "my hero."
Followers even likened his vigilante approach to that of actor Liam Neeson in the somewhat painful "Taken" movies that remarkably avoided the Oscars radar.
Ever since Twitter became part of the culture of modern sports, athletes have lamented their susceptibility to unfettered abuse, with pro tennis player Rebecca Marino citing cyberbullying as a major reason behind her retirement at the age of 22.
Woodhouse took a more confrontational approach that might not be to everyone's taste, though given his antagonist's trembling reaction it seems unlikely that he will be troubled by the same source again. On a personal note, this is not only one of the more unusual stories I have written, but also one of the most surprising. I dealt with Woodhouse on several occasions during his soccer career and he always came across as being especially mild-mannered, to the extent that it was a major surprise when his change of career became known.
But it goes to show that everyone has their limit – and that a professional fighter might not be the most sensible target for aspiring Twitter tormentors.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779] 3
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As reprehensible as the letter is, I find it far more offensive and vile that the Canadian cops are trying to find some crime with which they can charge the letter writer.
Canadians have zero concept of freedom of speech, and I'm thankful that I don't live there.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18731137 - 08/20/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Fire is Born]
#18731156 - 08/20/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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In a country where you can't be thrown in jail for expressing an unpopular opinion.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18731175 - 08/20/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really? Someone can send people as many anonymous "your kids should be killed and harvested for organs" letters as they want and there's no law they would be breaking?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Tantrika]
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Thank you for the clarification. I only knew of the devil as described in the bible and at christian churches, not something some guy wrote fairly recently, although the bible was written by man too... ug. Is it no wonder why I don't belive in christianity...? I wish if god was real he'd come down and slap me around a bit and tell me he's real. I guess that's what deaths for though. Lol. Thanks for the clarification anyway. Ill make sure to worship SOMETHING so I'm not a satanist.
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#18731205 - 08/20/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psi said: Really? Someone can send people as many anonymous "your kids should be killed and harvested for organs" letters as they want and there's no law they would be breaking?
Only if they sent enough letters to rise to the level of "extreme and outrageous" conduct. It'd take a lot of letters sent in a very short period of time. For instance, if someone sent a few thousand letters a day, that would probably be enough to constitute civil harassment. It still wouldn't be a crime, however.
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Anywhere in the world, you can get shot for anything...hate speech, a dirty look, having an expensive watch...Alas, that is the human condition.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: huffinglue]
#18731209 - 08/20/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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huffinglue said: Thank you for the clarification. I only knew of the devil as described in the bible and at christian churches, not something some guy wrote fairly recently, although the bible was written by man too... ug. Is it no wonder why I don't belive in christianity...? I wish if god was real he'd come down and slap me around a bit and tell me he's real. I guess that's what deaths for though. Lol. Thanks for the clarification anyway. Ill make sure to worship SOMETHING so I'm not a satanist.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: As reprehensible as the letter is, I find it far more offensive and vile that the Canadian cops are trying to find some crime with which they can charge the letter writer.
Canadians have zero concept of freedom of speech, and I'm thankful that I don't live there.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18731223 - 08/20/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only if they sent enough letters to rise to the level of "extreme and outrageous" conduct. It'd take a lot of letters sent in a very short period of time. For instance, if someone sent a few thousand letters a day, that would probably be enough to constitute civil harassment. It still wouldn't be a crime, however.
Are you saying that the threshold for criminal harassment can't be met anywhere in the Unites States just by sending letters?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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psi said: Are you saying that the threshold for criminal harassment can't be met anywhere in the Unites States just by sending letters?
Of course not. I never said as much. If you send threats to people by letters, that can be a crime. Or if you send a letter containing anthrax spores, that's a crime.
Sending rude, insensitive, and hateful letters, however...nah...That's not a crime anywhere in the country.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18731248 - 08/20/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Interesting, thanks. I should have clarified by saying I was talking about letters that did not make explicit threats.
I guess it could be argued that the letter in question counseled the recipient to commit a crime, but maybe that is a stretch.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
#18731378 - 08/20/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So much of a stretch that it would evidence a desire to try to find a way to punish someone for expressing an unpopular opinion....pretty much exactly what the Canadian cops are doing.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18731384 - 08/20/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have they actually laid any charges?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
#18731436 - 08/20/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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As far as I know, not yet. According to CNN.com:
"Durham Regional Police said the incident is being investigated, and police have asked the Crown Attorney's Office whether the letter constitutes a crime."
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
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pretty abhorrent behavior, i would like to think she is just totally ignorant but it seems like she is just a horrible person.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
#18731532 - 08/20/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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just another case of a stay at home mother with too much time on her hands...
but yeah she's a cunt and should actually research the disorder...
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: bait_]
#18731575 - 08/20/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, sounds like some nasty Facebook bully who gets off on making people feel like shit and using the less fortunate as a kicking bag. Clearly the Nazi spirit is alive and well in some form. IMO the most appropriate outcome is probably for the anonymous writer to be publicly identified and shamed and go no further than that unless they keep doing this stuff. If those comments had instead been directed to a child in person, IMO that should merit child abuse charges.
Oshawa is kind of a trashy town generally, sort of a mini Detroit going down with a failing auto industry.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18731590 - 08/20/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So much of a stretch that it would evidence a desire to try to find a way to punish someone for expressing an unpopular opinion....pretty much exactly what the Canadian cops are doing.
Wouldn't it be possible for the recipients of the letter to send a cease and desist order to the sender if they knew who she was? Cowardice is no excuse for harassment and I was under the impression even American law had provisions for this type of verbal abuse.
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Maybe in Canada, but in the U.S., only a judge can issue an order...and it takes more than a rude letter to get a restraining order.
I suspect you're talking about a "cease and desist letter" which is just a demand that someone stop something. It has no legal authority in and of itself unless there is some particular statute that grants the authority. The only statute of that nature that comes to mind at the moment is the FDCPA which allows a person to send a cease communication letter to collection agencies which then triggers liability if the collection agency continues to communicate...
There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.
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2Experimental said: all the people sympathizing with the writer of the letter, this is ALMOST as bad or maybe even worse to the whole sympathizing with it being ok to have sex with 13-16 year olds.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18735022 - 08/20/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Maybe in Canada, but in the U.S., only a judge can issue an order...and it takes more than a rude letter to get a restraining order.
I suspect you're talking about a "cease and desist letter" which is just a demand that someone stop something. It has no legal authority in and of itself unless there is some particular statute that grants the authority. The only statute of that nature that comes to mind at the moment is the FDCPA which allows a person to send a cease communication letter to collection agencies which then triggers liability if the collection agency continues to communicate...
There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.
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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.
They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Asante]
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(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to abuse, threaten, or harass any specific person;
i found one for the phone, i wonder why there is no mail/letters one
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: hidenseek1]
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That letter is fucked
I bet it's hard enough raising an autistic child
Makes me want to vomit reading that
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Asante]
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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: OyBroop]
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No, what's awesome is that autistic boy wrote that shit to fuck with his grandma.
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Enlil said: As reprehensible as the letter is, I find it far more offensive and vile that the Canadian cops are trying to find some crime with which they can charge the letter writer.
Canadians have zero concept of freedom of speech, and I'm thankful that I don't live there.
Hate speech, my friend.
Incitement of hatred or advocation of genocide against an identifiable group (any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation) are proscribed over here, because there is a general understanding that such extreme speech has no useful place in a civil society. Disability is not currently included, but may be implemented after this case.
There is no such thing as freedom of speech--there are reasonable limitations found in every country--even the USA.
I for one see more value in providing an environment free of hate speech, than in guaranteeing freedom of speech unconditionally--it's a lot more peaceful without folks like the Westboro Babtist Church.
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That letter isn't promoting genocide, though it certainly is a form of harassment.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: fapjack]
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That's why I said incitement of hatred or promotion of genocide. Only one condition is required, with promotion of genocide carrying the heavier penalty.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Hate speech is protected by the constitution, as it should be. The remedy for such speech is more speech, not censorship. Trading my freedom of speech for a little bit of protection against being offended isn't even a close call in my book.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18736579 - 08/21/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bet you have no problem with copyright and trademark law trumping the first amendment though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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this conversation surpassed my intelligence level and for that, im out.
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They don't "trump" anything, but yes...I think intellectual property law is a very important part of respecting the rights of inventors and artists in addition to keeping the nation competitive.
No right is absolute, of course, and I've never claimed as much.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Asante]
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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.
They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were 
People in the US are generally pretty friendly, despite the news reports that make it over the pond.
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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.
They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were 
People in the US are generally pretty friendly, despite the news reports that make it over the pond. 
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779]
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Da2ra said: If he's making disruptive noises in the neighborhood, I sympathize.
Me too, although the letter is really overkill....just go to the house and talk to them face to face.
I have a 30 something year old down syndrome guy living next door to me and he is obnoxiously loud and annoying but I'd never write a letter like that...I'm generally gone during the day so it's not too bad...
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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Yes, and in Canada it is seen that hate speech law is a very important part of reconciling the guarantees of freedom of expression in the Charter with the need to protect vulnerable groups from persecution.
Canadians are more concerned with equality and social harmony than our neighbours to the south--a broad, libertarian interpretation of our Charter rights doesn’t have as much purchase here.
Besides, if you are a decent human being, you will never commit this offence--it’s hard to do--your act must be public, not private--it must target a vulnerable group--it must be so vile that a reasonable person will conclude that your speech “exposes or tends to expose any person or class of person to detestation and vilification on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination".
I don't see any reasonable justification for such speech in civil society.
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Ditto. Actually, it's not technically Europe but England is probably the worst IME, the whole island would be a prison. They've got some real neandertals there.
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Enlil said: Hate speech is protected by the constitution, as it should be. The remedy for such speech is more speech, not censorship. Trading my freedom of speech for a little bit of protection against being offended isn't even a close call in my book.

Who would even define what "hate speech" is or isn't? The PC police, no thanks.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said: I don't see any reasonable justification for such speech in civil society.
That's because you were raised in a culture that doesn't value freedom of speech. It isn't about whether or not a "civilized society" should or shouldn't have hate speech. It is about whether a government should have the power to silence someone simply because he/she expresses unpopular opinions.
The power to choose what speech is and isn't acceptable in a "civilized society" is ultimately the power to control society. Communication is a fundamental and essential part of any system of self-rule. By controlling what messages can and can't be delivered, the government has the power to shape society. That is far more oppressive than any hate speech ever could be.
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Who would even define what "hate speech" is or isn't? The PC police, no thanks.
In Canada, if it is meant to incite hatred, or promote genocide, than it is considered hate speech--not merely based around what someone finds offensive, but fairly clear cut criteria.
Not to say some controversy or ambiguity doesn't exist--but you guys are appearing to misunderstanding the difference between hate speech laws and obscenity laws.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Sounds like they should ban the internet while they are at it, 99% of what gets posted in OTD would be considered illegal in Canada.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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That's because you were raised in a culture that doesn't value freedom of speech. It isn't about whether or not a "civilized society" should or shouldn't have hate speech. It is about whether a government should have the power to silence someone simply because he/she expresses unpopular opinions.
The power to choose what speech is and isn't acceptable in a "civilized society" is ultimately the power to control society. Communication is a fundamental and essential part of any system of self-rule. By controlling what messages can and can't be delivered, the government has the power to shape society. That is far more oppressive than any hate speech ever could be.
Or, perhaps, that you were raised in a culture that places very little value on social justice and equality--hate speech laws are by far the norm is the majority of todays developed countries.
Earlier this year, the supreme court of Canada made a ruling upholding hate speech laws--here's an excerpt from their ruling:
"Hate speech is an effort to marginalize individuals based on their membership in a group. Using expression that exposes the group to hatred, hate speech seeks to delegitimize group members in the eyes of the majority, reducing their social standing and acceptance within society. Hate speech, therefore, rises beyond causing distress to individual group members. It can have a societal impact. Hate speech lays the groundwork for later, broad attacks on vulnerable groups that can range from discrimination, to ostracism, segregation, deportation, violence and, in the most extreme cases, to genocide. Hate speech also impacts on a protected group's ability to respond to the substantive ideas under debate, thereby placing a serious barrier to their full participation in our democracy."
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1. I think this statement is false, and I'd appreciate a source to back up this claim. Thanks in advance.
2. Consensus doesn't generally indicate that something is a good idea.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Hate speech is protected by the constitution, as it should be. The remedy for such speech is more speech, not censorship. Trading my freedom of speech for a little bit of protection against being offended isn't even a close call in my book.

What's more laughable is that people allow themselves to be this worked up over insignificant words. I can't imagine trying to seek legal action over what amounts to someone being mean to your kid.
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Great receipe for a country full of cry babies and sandy vanginas. Why stop there, why not ban all forms of unwanted harassment. Why is it worse to make fun of someone for being black or asian, than for being stupid or ugly? Names hurt regardless of why, child proofing society isn't going to work. Maybe its cause I'm from NJ/NYC area, but laws aren't going to make assholes any nicer.
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Ditto. Actually, it's not technically Europe but England is probably the worst IME, the whole island would be a prison. They've got some real neandertals there.
I know its crazy they also are much more of a police state in my opnion than the states.
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Can you expand on that? They did essentially tell the person to kill their child.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Enlil said: Hate speech is protected by the constitution, as it should be. The remedy for such speech is more speech, not censorship. Trading my freedom of speech for a little bit of protection against being offended isn't even a close call in my book.

Who would even define what "hate speech" is or isn't? The PC police, no thanks.
In Canada, if it is meant to incite hatred, or promote genocide, than it is considered hate speech--not merely based around what someone finds offensive, but fairly clear cut criteria.
Not to say some controversy or ambiguity doesn't exist--but you guys are appearing to misunderstanding the difference between hate speech laws and obscenity laws.
There is nothing more "offensive" than censorship, to have lawmakers decided what words can come out of my mouth is a disgusting concept.
What did the most fascist and oppressive governments in history also have on their law books? Speech laws.
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fapjack said: Why stop there, why not ban all forms of unwanted harassment. Why is it worse to make fun of someone for being black or asian, than for being stupid or ugly?
You display a misunderstanding of what hate speech laws actually consist of--making fun of someone for their race is not considered hate speech--incitement of hatred or promotion of genocide is.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
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Telling someone to commit a crime isn't a crime unless the intention is for the person to actually commit the crime. I see zero evidence of such an intention.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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qman said: There is nothing more "offensive" than censorship, to have lawmakers decided what words can come out of my mouth a disgusting concept.
What did the most fascist and oppressive governments in history also have on their law books? Speech laws.
common limitations to free speech (that are also found in the United States):
-Sedition (advocating force as a way to change the government) -Threats -Defamation (libel and slander) -False or misleading advertising -Buffer zones around abortion clinics that prevent anti-abortion protesters from harassing patients and staff -Quiet zones near hospitals or schools -Municipal bylaws restricting the location, size, type, content, and display of signs, posters, objects, ads, etc. -Profanity on public airwaves -Publication refusal, censorship, and the right to edit enforced by news websites, online forums and blogs, newspapers, magazines, radio, and other media -Company confidentiality policies (such as employees being prohibited from sharing trade secrets or talking to the media) -Gag orders or publication bans in contracts, court cases, and settlements
I also heard that fascist governments had traffic laws--therefore, all laws that govern traffic are fascist.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Traffic laws are pretty abysmal and restrictive on my freedom to not drive like your grandmother. Fascist bullshit.
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That's fucking is messed up 
Her ass who wrote the letter needs euthanized!
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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What did the most fascist and oppressive governments in history also have on their law books? Speech laws.
common limitations to free speech (that are also found in the United States):
-Sedition (advocating force as a way to change the government) -Threats -Defamation (libel and slander) -False or misleading advertising -Buffer zones around abortion clinics that prevent anti-abortion protesters from harassing patients and staff -Quiet zones near hospitals or schools -Municipal bylaws restricting the location, size, type, content, and display of signs, posters, objects, ads, etc. -Profanity on public airwaves -Publication refusal, censorship, and the right to edit enforced by news websites, online forums and blogs, newspapers, magazines, radio, and other media -Company confidentiality policies (such as employees being prohibited from sharing trade secrets or talking to the media) -Gag orders or publication bans in contracts, court cases, and settlements
I also heard that fascist governments had traffic laws--therefore, all laws that govern traffic are fascist.
The above has nothing to do with the "hate speech" laws in the Canadian court ruling, why are you changing the subject?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: qman]
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that letter was mean.
but i totes understand where she is coming from. many autistic children are very loud and shouty. but they can't help it. it's not like they try to be like that.
it can be difficult to deal with having people like that around. but to just straight up tell the parents f that kid that they should GTFO and kill their kid is pretty fucked. i mean if it's hard for you, just imagine how hard it is for the parents. they have to wake up knowing that thier life is dedicated to this kid with extreme disabilities, and that's a full time job and really makes life hard on it's own.
sticky situation. i just hope that this dosent progress beyond hurtful letters. we dont need to have a news story where an autistic kid is murdered or physically abused. or even attacks on thier house and property.
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qman said: There is nothing more "offensive" than censorship, to have lawmakers decided what words can come out of my mouth a disgusting concept.
What did the most fascist and oppressive governments in history also have on their law books? Speech laws.
common limitations to free speech (that are also found in the United States):
-Sedition (advocating force as a way to change the government) -Threats -Defamation (libel and slander) -False or misleading advertising -Buffer zones around abortion clinics that prevent anti-abortion protesters from harassing patients and staff -Quiet zones near hospitals or schools -Municipal bylaws restricting the location, size, type, content, and display of signs, posters, objects, ads, etc. -Profanity on public airwaves -Publication refusal, censorship, and the right to edit enforced by news websites, online forums and blogs, newspapers, magazines, radio, and other media -Company confidentiality policies (such as employees being prohibited from sharing trade secrets or talking to the media) -Gag orders or publication bans in contracts, court cases, and settlements
I also heard that fascist governments had traffic laws--therefore, all laws that govern traffic are fascist.
The above has nothing to do with the "hate speech" laws in the Canadian court ruling, why are you changing the subject?
Because it has everything to do with limitations towards freedom of speech. Your earlier post implied that not having absolute freedom of speech was the markings of a fascist government--I am merely showing you that many limitations to free speech are widely accepted; that limiting speech does not necessarily imply fascist or totalitarian states.
Freedom of speech is a misnomer--even in the USA.
Why should we tolerate hate speech when it directly undermines our human rights laws that protect vulnerable groups from discrimination? Why should we not add hate speech to the long list of tolerated censorship?
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Being intolerant of racism no different than being intolerant of religious beliefs. The only reason the former is accepted is because the majority says so. That is textbook tyranny of the majority, which is the precise problem that a constitution is meant to address.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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Not sure what your point is.
In Canada, both racial and religious groups are equally relevant to hate speech laws.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Yet it's perfectly acceptable to incite hatred toward racists
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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okay...
you guys took something fun and amusing and turned it into a pointless debate. good for you guys, good for you...
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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You didn't know, the double standard provision.
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Is it now?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Apparently to Canadians it is. I see no difference between prejudice against racists and prejudice against Muslims. Both have irrational belief systems.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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Hating them is one thing, advocating their murder is another.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
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There's no room in my life for hating anyone. Nonetheless, we all deserve to die.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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We will all die regardless of deservedness so it becomes sort of a moot point whether we earned it or not. Having laws against saying that a particular person or group of people deserves to be murdered is something I'm totally fine with personally. Others would draw the line elsewhere.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
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Sounds like a slippery slope from there to a law against advocating for someone to be raped, or punched, or spit on, or robbed, or fired from their job...
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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"Slippery slope" is kind of a bullshit term IMO. Any law can be changed later, so any position can be called a slippery slope in whatever direction the speaker wants to suggest is undesirable.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
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Ah, but that's not true of constitutional law. The slippery slope argument is about interpretation, not rewriting laws. It's about the way an interpretation keeps moving more in one direction as society gets used to it, thus eroding the protections originally envisioned in the constitution.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
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I was under the impression that the US Constitution had been amended numerous times. Are there some parts that can't possibly be changed by amendments or what?
Regarding interpretation, it seems like a lot depends on how precise the language of the law is. A law against calling for someone's murder is probably pretty sloppily written if it can be interpreted to mean that you can't say someone should be fired from their job.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
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It's been amended 17 times in over 200 years. It's very difficult to do, which is the point of a constitution. Laws can be changed easily based on cultural trends, but a constitution is far harder to change and therefore protects against tyranny of the majority.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi]
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You're missing the point. If the constitution is interpreted to allow a law against recommending someone be murdered, what's to stop it from being interpreted to allow a law against recommending firing someone?
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: OyBroop]
#18738132 - 08/21/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OyBroop said: okay...
you guys took something fun and amusing and turned it into a pointless debate. good for you guys, good for you...
Welcome to the shroomery. I have an issue with people trying to rally people to kill others, I don't have an issue with people trying to rally people to hate another group. I disagree with it, but it should be legal to preach hatred if that's what you want to do.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
#18738260 - 08/21/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You're missing the point. If the constitution is interpreted to allow a law against recommending someone be murdered, what's to stop it from being interpreted to allow a law against recommending firing someone?
Constitutions are never going to stop every possible bad law that might be made, at a certain point it comes down to the intelligence of the voting public.
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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: psi] 1
#18738301 - 08/21/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course, which is the point of having a bill of rights...to preclude laws that cross the line. This is why it took a constitutional amendment to end slavery in the U.S. Slavery existed because the voters wanted it. Today, they could pass all of the slavery legalization laws they wanted, but there would still be no slavery.
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