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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
    #18731590 - 08/20/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So much of a stretch that it would evidence a desire to try to find a way to punish someone for expressing an unpopular opinion....pretty much exactly what the Canadian cops are doing.




Wouldn't it be possible for the recipients of the letter to send a cease and desist order to the sender if they knew who she was? Cowardice is no excuse for harassment and I was under the impression even American law had provisions for this type of verbal abuse.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18731643 - 08/20/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe in Canada, but in the U.S., only a judge can issue an order...and it takes more than a rude letter to get a restraining order.

I suspect you're talking about a "cease and desist letter" which is just a demand that someone stop something.  It has no legal authority in and of itself unless there is some particular statute that grants the authority.  The only statute of that nature that comes to mind at the moment is the FDCPA which allows a person to send a cease communication letter to collection agencies which then triggers liability if the collection agency continues to communicate...

There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: 2Experimental]
    #18735001 - 08/20/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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all the people sympathizing with the writer of the letter, this is ALMOST as bad or maybe even worse to the whole sympathizing with it being ok to have sex with 13-16 year olds.





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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
    #18735022 - 08/20/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe in Canada, but in the U.S., only a judge can issue an order...and it takes more than a rude letter to get a restraining order.

I suspect you're talking about a "cease and desist letter" which is just a demand that someone stop something.  It has no legal authority in and of itself unless there is some particular statute that grants the authority.  The only statute of that nature that comes to mind at the moment is the FDCPA which allows a person to send a cease communication letter to collection agencies which then triggers liability if the collection agency continues to communicate...

There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.




Fascinating. :thatsinteresting:


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
    #18736154 - 08/21/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.




They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were :yesnod:


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Asante]
    #18736279 - 08/21/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to abuse, threaten, or harass any specific person;




i found one for the phone, i wonder why there is no mail/letters one


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18736312 - 08/21/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That letter is fucked

I bet it's hard enough raising an autistic child

Makes me want to vomit reading that


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Asante]
    #18736321 - 08/21/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.




They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were :yesnod:



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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: s240779] * 1
    #18736359 - 08/21/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: OyBroop]
    #18736494 - 08/21/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, what's awesome is that autistic boy wrote that shit to fuck with his grandma.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #18736530 - 08/21/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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As reprehensible as the letter is, I find it far more offensive and vile that the Canadian cops are trying to find some crime with which they can charge the letter writer.

Canadians have zero concept of freedom of speech, and I'm thankful that I don't live there.



Hate speech, my friend.

Incitement of hatred or advocation of genocide against an identifiable group (any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation) are proscribed over here, because there is a general understanding that such extreme speech has no useful place in a civil society. Disability is not currently included, but may be implemented after this case.

There is no such thing as freedom of speech--there are reasonable limitations found in every country--even the USA.

I for one see more value in providing an environment free of hate speech, than in guaranteeing freedom of speech unconditionally--it's a lot more peaceful without folks like the Westboro Babtist Church.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #18736543 - 08/21/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That letter isn't promoting genocide, though it certainly is a form of harassment.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: fapjack]
    #18736552 - 08/21/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's why I said incitement of hatred or promotion of genocide.
Only one condition is required, with promotion of genocide carrying the heavier penalty.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18736558 - 08/21/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hate speech is protected by the constitution, as it should be.  The remedy for such speech is more speech, not censorship.  Trading my freedom of speech for a little bit of protection against being offended isn't even a close call in my book.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Enlil]
    #18736579 - 08/21/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I bet you have no problem with copyright and trademark law trumping the first amendment though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18736590 - 08/21/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this conversation surpassed my intelligence level and for that, im out.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #18736593 - 08/21/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They don't "trump" anything, but yes...I think intellectual property law is a very important part of respecting the rights of inventors and artists in addition to keeping the nation competitive.

No right is absolute, of course, and I've never claimed as much.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Asante]
    #18736601 - 08/21/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.




They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were :yesnod:




People in the US are generally pretty friendly, despite the news reports that make it over the pond. :shrug:


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18736602 - 08/21/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

not sure what youre talking about. im an ass hole and i really dont care what happens to the people around me.


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Re: Derisive letter sent to parents of autistic boy [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18736604 - 08/21/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There are no valid laws in the United States that generally require people to be polite to one another.




They might as well turn half the nation into a maximum security prison if there were :yesnod:




People in the US are generally pretty friendly, despite the news reports that make it over the pond. :shrug:



I have actually met more arrogant and unfriendly europeans in my travels abroad than americans.


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