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How to smoke Salvia for best results * 4
    #18723870 - 08/18/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Spelling out the correct way of smoking Salvia, because I've seen A LOT of people doing it wrong, especially weed smokers, and then blaming the plant when they have a shitty trip. Some people will incorrectly assume that their weed or tobacco smoking habits will work well enough for Salvia. They don't. Very different plant and experience, and has quite specific requirements. I've been a Salvia smoker and grower for several years, and I hope that my initial failed trips will serve as a lesson, so you don't have to repeat the same mistakes.

Here's what I found to work for me and friends, reliably, every time:

- Use a bong, preferably an ice bong. Maybe a hookah with some ice, if you don't have a bong. No joints, pipes and other contraptions without water cooling. You'll just be wasting your herb / burning your throat.

- Use a windproof lighter, and actively scorch the hell out of your Salvia with it. Don't just briefly light it as you would a cigarette or some bud, burn it all to kingdom come with a sustained flame. Your regular cheap Bic lighter will NOT work for this, you'll just waste most of your herb. If you tried it that way before and felt something, trust me you missed out on most of the Salvia trip. You need to burn everything with extreme prejudice, and that's why you'll need a bong, to provide the proper cooling.

- Low light in the room.
INCREDIBLY low light. My standard lighting is a few candles with no direct view to the flame. No computer monitors on, they are way too bright while on Salvia. Of course no lights on in the room. Lava lamps or plasma globes are ok, but to the side, not directly in front of you.

- Chill instrumental music, preferably on headphones. I don't know why, but over many trips I've consistently found headphones to work much better for an immersive trip. Same exact song on headphones will take you much deeper than on speakers. Also, Salvia with music will be far more interesting than Salvia in silence. Tried both many times, and this has always been the case. The music structures the visions in a unique way. Instrumental music (of any kind) works far better than music with words. In the sense that the trip will be deeper, you'll forget about you more completely if you don't hear human words all the way through.

- Be alone or be with one sitter who can SHUT UP for 20-30 minutes. However long it takes. Give them a magazine, something to do, have them listen to their own music or watch a South Park episode, but you have to be 100% sure that at no point will they interrupt you with their retarded questions, like how is it? They shouldn't interact with you, touch you, move and make noise, they should sit their arse down for however long it takes, until you're completely back and start talking to them. Of course your phone should be off, your noisy instant messenger and Facebook page should be off, interruptions should be avoided as much as possible. I've seen phone calls in the middle of a trip. Not cool.

- After toking, actively close your eyes, keep them closed, and lay back BEFORE it kicks in. If the Salvinorin kicks in (especially the first few trips) with your eyes open, you're likely to keep them open and have a weird shitty ride. I've done this enough times to see it's not a good way to do it. I've lead people into closing their eyes properly, and seen them have amazing Salvia times. Close your eyes and keep em closed. Depending on what you smoke (basic leaf, extracts of some concentration) you'll want to do this after your first, second or third toke. If you start feeling anything, finish your toke, put the bong away and get those eyes closed asap. Just lay back holding in your last toke, for best results :thumbup:

- When you think the trip is over, it isn't.
The graph of a Salvia trip is a sharp crazy rise, with insane visuals. I call that the Roller Coaster. Once that's done, you're pretty much in control again, and could resume normal activity. Don't. If you shut up, keep your eyes closed and DON'T hurry to start blabbering about the Roller Coaster, you'll notice that visuals and things are still happening out there. Like being awakened from a dream and then going to sleep again, you can remain there and drift away very nicely. This can last up to 20-30 minutes, and is a very relaxing, chill state to be in. Most people waste this by opening their eyes, standing up, talking and being active, with some Salvinorin still left in their system. Don't be a sucker, get all the phases of your trip, let it run for as long as it will take.

I write this here as a post to direct people to later, as I'm tired of :facepalm: :picard: at the strange attempts of first time Salvia smokers and the crap trip reports that follow. Lady Salvia is a fine and loving and amazing mistress if treated right, and quite scornful and dismissive if you try to cut corners. The Salvia visions got me into painting many years ago, so I hope this will help others have great times as well. Do it right and you'll be well rewarded :thumbup:


This is the art of Jacek Yerka, I find it to come closest to what Salvia travels actually look like.


Enjoy :aweyeah:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18723915 - 08/18/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

use a short pipe - it's better and less wasteful than a bong.
use a regular lighter - it's safer and adequate to get liquid salvinorin particles into a smoke stream.
smoke it quickly - what enters your blood within 90 seconds is most effective.

ice bong will extract salvinorin from the smoke stream (pure waste)
hot torches will burn your flesh and not vaporize salvinorin. (pure waste)
particulate liquid salvinorin is what is effective in getting your effects.
vaporized salvinorin will cook your lungs (don't bother to aspire to vaporizing salvinorin)

but do smoke quickly and deliberately


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #18729359 - 08/19/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
use a short pipe - it's better and less wasteful than a bong.
use a regular lighter - it's safer and adequate to get liquid salvinorin particles into a smoke stream.
smoke it quickly - what enters your blood within 90 seconds is most effective.

ice bong will extract salvinorin from the smoke stream (pure waste)
hot torches will burn your flesh and not vaporize salvinorin. (pure waste)
particulate liquid salvinorin is what is effective in getting your effects.
vaporized salvinorin will cook your lungs (don't bother to aspire to vaporizing salvinorin)

but do smoke quickly and deliberately



Well using a bong/ice/water cooling is entirely dependent on using the windproof lighter, and burning it in a sustained way. If you're burning it hot, you do need cooling or you'll burn your throat. So the question is, do you need the hot jet lighter?

I've mainly smoked it with bongs and jet lighters as initially instructed, and remember a few tests with other ways, none of which worked too well for me. Not sure how much of it was placebo.

Have you tried both ways, several times, to be able to compare? Have you tried smoking basic leaf, and got anything good out of it with a regular lighter? The problem with extracts is that you can waste a lot and you'll still get some effect. With basic leaf you need an efficient smoking method, or no trip will happen. I can only remember jet lighters working properly. Even if the matches/Bic lighters made something happen, it was pretty weak and far from the proper Salvia experience, with the colorful visuals and pleasant body feel. I might do some more testing (especially now that I'm out of jet ligthers) but I don't expect much to come from it.
All my best trips have come after scorching that bong load into oblivion.  :hellfire::hellfire::hellfire:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18729402 - 08/19/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome tips! I used to love doing salvia. I never did it like your way with the exception of using a wind proof lighter. What extract do you recommend? I used to smoke 20x


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Labs4858] * 1
    #18729520 - 08/19/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Awesome tips! I used to love doing salvia. I never did it like your way with the exception of using a wind proof lighter. What extract do you recommend? I used to smoke 20x



20x should be quite enough. Even 5x and 10x work well. Remember that Salvia does have reverse tolerance. Now I smoke basic leaf and it works AOK for me. Most beginners who try leaf don't get much out of it at first, but after a few experiences, it's like your brain learns to get there faster. You don't need as much herb for a good trip.

Just do it as described, in a darkened room, headphones, close eyes, and you'll have a super ride :tripping:

Don't open eyes right after the roller coaster, doze off for a few minutes, you'll see it's a very nice and relaxing feeling, lasting much longer.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18729561 - 08/19/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Now what exactly do you mean by reverse tolerance? If I smoke basic leaf a lot will effects be more apparent each time?? :shocked:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Labs4858] * 1
    #18729710 - 08/19/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I mean that the more you smoke the less you will need over time, for the same effect. It's not my finding, it's quite well known, you can google about it. Salvia is quite unique in this respect, among the psychedelics.

I smoke basic leaf and trip quite well on it. If I were to smoke the same doses of extract I give to first timers, my head would probably explode :lol:

Seriously, even a bit of 5x extract makes me climb the walls, and it wasn't like this when I first started.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18733968 - 08/20/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hey man very interesting thread, I always been afraid of salvia (I got some). Probably gonna try it following your tips. Thanks :thumbup:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18734919 - 08/20/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This was like a nice pat on the back from a figure of respect saying,

"You're doing it right."

Anyways, nice write up.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Caboose] * 1
    #18735542 - 08/21/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

my best success is smoking the desired amount very quickly
the threshold is achieved in 90 seconds.
or what you had inhaled and held over the last 90 seconds produces your level of effect.

so if you smoke lazily like you can with  marijuana you never get a strong threshold peak.
it has to be deliberate and quick smoking.

I have tried with more equipment and that usually requires more salvia, as it is lossy.

I have used a torch which is only safe with lots of equipment (like a water bong) and it is only good if you smoke quickly or get so much pulled into the tubes and chamber that you can draw that in quickly. (so wasteful actually)


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #18735689 - 08/21/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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saam234 said:
Hey man very interesting thread, I always been afraid of salvia (I got some). Probably gonna try it following your tips. Thanks :thumbup:



Maybe this will help with your decision (to smoke or not to smoke): After my first good Salvia trip, I still had about a gram of weed stashed somewhere in my backpack. I literally went and gave it as a gift to a pothead friend, knowing I wouldn't bother with it any more, that I had now found my thing that really works for me. It made that good of an impression on me, from the first trip that had Salvia visuals.

I don't expect anything like that for most users, especially long term weed smokers who enjoy the bud, but this is just to say that you can expect good things and fun times. Try it as it says in the OP, and I'd say your chances are very good :thumbup:
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my best success is smoking the desired amount very quickly
the threshold is achieved in 90 seconds.
or what you had inhaled and held over the last 90 seconds produces your level of effect.

so if you smoke lazily like you can with  marijuana you never get a strong threshold peak.
it has to be deliberate and quick smoking.

I have tried with more equipment and that usually requires more salvia, as it is lossy.

I have used a torch which is only safe with lots of equipment (like a water bong) and it is only good if you smoke quickly or get so much pulled into the tubes and chamber that you can draw that in quickly. (so wasteful actually)



Mate, if that method works for you and sends you to space well, more power to you. I for one have only had success with this latter method. Hellfire torch, burning it to kingdom come, and ample water cooling. I will agree that it's good to smoke swiftly, deliberately, inhale that smoke like a champion. No pauses, no hesitations. First puff lazily to fill the bong tube, then when it's full, stop burning and just clear it in one massive inhalation. 2-3 tokes like that should send any traveler into orbit.

Could be that I just like the Salvia toys and ritual - powerful lighter, that clear strong hissing jet sound as you scorch the herb, the bong and smoking style that has nothing to do with regular tobacco cigarettes (I don't fancy smokers), there may well be a placebo element involved, I don't know. What I can say is that at least for me, this worked very well over the years. I've heard stories of weed smoker friends trying their regular smoking style and getting mediocre results with Salvia. Maybe it was just the lazy style of smoking that was the issue, like you said. When I was on the premises however, scorching it right with a massive jet flame, people did get breakthroughs and felt the difference.

Whatever works :thumbup:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18735785 - 08/21/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The first time I tried this stuff I did what you suggested and I was gone in 2 seconds and it was nuts :facepalm:. I was in a horrible setting though and not ready. IDK I think smoking it out of a bong is too much. Maybe that should be just for experienced salvia smokers. I think for a beginner a pipe would be a better route, that way you don't go spiraling into another dimension. What do you think?


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: OmniDimensional] * 1
    #18735979 - 08/21/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The first time I tried this stuff I did what you suggested and I was gone in 2 seconds and it was nuts :facepalm:. I was in a horrible setting though and not ready. IDK I think smoking it out of a bong is too much. Maybe that should be just for experienced salvia smokers. I think for a beginner a pipe would be a better route, that way you don't go spiraling into another dimension. What do you think?



Well it doesn't have to be 50x extract that you're smoking, and then it doesn't have to be a full bong bowl, especially the first time.

You're never really "ready" as a first timer, as in, the first time you go on a real life roller coaster or big waterslide, you can't be fully ready. It's a brand new state that your brain has never been in before, so it can't be adjusted to by default. It's a lot like dreams, which is a familiar state, but the super fast transition, that's completely new to the brain.

The variables that go a long way in giving you a smooth ride are controlling the light levels in the room, the noise levels, your dose and actively closing your eyes. Those can't guarantee a good trip (nothing can of course) but they can certainly give you the best chances. From what I've seen it's usually not the plant itself that gives you bad vibes, it's external things like excessive light or sound, after the plant increased your sensitivity to them. Normal light in open eyes stings like sharp needles, loud sounds cause distress and major confusion, being touched on the skin feels sudden, unexpected, yucky and strange. All of these are avoidable. Close eyes, have low light, tell sitters to leave you alone throughout until you talk to them.

The dose can be much too large for a first timer, so I would definitely not go above 20x extract for a first dose.

People can have very different sensitivities to Salvia. I've seen a few friends who get absolutely nothing, from doses that blow others away to other dimensions. Same stash, same setting, very different responses from different people. Probably better to start on the safe side the first time, if you're not some highly motivated psychonaut looking for super strong kicks. I was when I started, very bored with everyday reality, in massive need of state change. Like holy smokes what ever do we have here, I can't wait :eek: :lol:

I've only tried longer trips with ingestable psychedelics after almost 2 years of Salvia. I would say not panicking on things like shroom trips, and not panicking during a swift Salvia teleport, those are two very different skills. The suddenness is like nothing else. Maybe like smoked DMT.

It's definitely an acquired taste and you do learn to love it, after 2-3 good trips. Then the minty smell, the specific tingling that you get as it kicks in, they all become very familiar and relaxing. Much like regular water slides and roller coasters. Once you see that they're safe, you do want to go again and again. :nyan::nyan::nyan:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18735995 - 08/21/13 05:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

5x 10x and 20x are not doses, there are strengths or concentrations of vendors' preparations.
how much of any one of those to use at one time would be a dose.

all we can prescribe is take a pinch, and if 5x take a very small bowl or less to begin


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #18736045 - 08/21/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with having a good setting with low lights, quiet room and no distractions.

As for smoking it, ive used a aluminum foil pipe and bic lighter and it worked just fine. Never used plain leaf but for any of the 5,10,20x my crappy homemade pipe was good enough.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #18736087 - 08/21/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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5x 10x and 20x are not doses, there are strengths or concentrations of vendors' preparations.
how much of any one of those to use at one time would be a dose.

all we can prescribe is take a pinch, and if 5x take a very small bowl or less to begin



Yeah that's why I mentioned both, the 50x extract and how much of it is in the bong bowl. Obviously one should consider this stuff and take less from a strong extract.

As for the way of smoking and the setting, I think we can divide them like this:

If the trip was too strong and felt scary, it was probably the setting. Too much light, sounds, sitters or eyes open may have been the issue. Or too big of a dose.

If there was no trip to speak of, or it was very weak, then it might have been the extract strength (dose too small), lighter, bong/pipe and smoking speed. Whether the windproof lighter and bong are necessary is still a matter of debate, there are threads and articles that swear by them, and others that say normal flame and pipe are just fine. Especially with strong extracts they certainly are.

Maybe it makes sense to list these things separately, as they pull in different directions (making the trip more intense, and on the other hand making it more manageable via a good mellow setting). What's important is that people figure out what they want (stronger or smoother trip) and then change these variables accordingly.

I also think it's important to make the distinction between the initial Roller Coaster (the super crazy part of the trip) and the more mellow afterglow, easily missed if one opens the eyes and starts moving/talking. Especially when smoking leaf, one can use just this state alone, for a sense of calm and relaxation, milder visuals, even for falling asleep or taking something very close to a 30 minute nap. The larger doses act somewhat like a mental stimulant, may induce a lot of sweating, laughter, intense amazing visuals and the experience will feel draining. Taxing. Like a few doses of mental Red Bull taken all at once. On a lower dose, it's much more mellow, like dozing off at the chillout stage, no sweating or laughing, just drifting off to peaceful slumber. Very different effects, one should know about them both as they're useful for different things.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18737021 - 08/21/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)


Use a big Lung/Parachute/Dry Gravity Bong.

Hold as long as you're able.

Repeat.


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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18744455 - 08/22/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I wish my experience was better. When I said I was gone in 2 seconds, I meant I was gone before I even cleared my hit. So it was probably too much for me at the time. I should try it again though, with my trusted significant other. The time I did it I wasn't with people I fully trusted and that was why it went south for me, after I started to come back to reality. They treated me like shit the whole rest of the night. VERY negative vibes coming from them.
What brand of salvia would you suggest? The stuff I tried smelled like fish  :uhoh:


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: OmniDimensional] * 1
    #18745606 - 08/23/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I wish my experience was better. When I said I was gone in 2 seconds, I meant I was gone before I even cleared my hit. So it was probably too much for me at the time. I should try it again though, with my trusted significant other. The time I did it I wasn't with people I fully trusted and that was why it went south for me, after I started to come back to reality. They treated me like shit the whole rest of the night. VERY negative vibes coming from them.
What brand of salvia would you suggest? The stuff I tried smelled like fish  :uhoh:



Doesn't have to mean it was too much, maybe in a good environment with nice music and chill people, you would have had a blast on that dose. If you smoke with your significant other, please remember to smoke one at a time, in the sense that the first one smoking should be fully back, before the other one smokes as well (if you want to smoke in the same evening). Otherwise you risk the whole laughing thing happening when the other person is tripping, and that's just way too much noise. On later trips, after you see how you both react, you can think of smoking at the same time and chilling together, but not for the first one.

I don't know about Salvia "brands" as I grow my own. I can only suggest you get some Salvia that actually came from a Salvia plant at some point :lol:
It should smell slightly like mint when you burn it. The dry leaves will have no smell at all, at least mine don't.


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Re: How to smoke Salvia for best results [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18749861 - 08/24/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Growing it yourself is probably the way to go. The stuff I tried was from a head shop. It probably had other stuff in it that made it smell like nasty pussy. :shakefist:


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