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Beer tastes like flowers.... 1
#18728679 - 08/19/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It does. Hop flowers. Mmmmm I love hop flowers.
I'm starting my own all grain homebrew setup, should be complete by the weekend! Anyone here homebrew? You should show your setups!
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: Maverick]
#18728726 - 08/19/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am new to it but this will be my 2nd batch. the 5 gallon jug is sugar, tomato paste, yeast and water. the 1 gal jugs are (5)sugar wash and 2 corn experiments.. I have yet to get all the materials for my keg still so the first run I made a teapot still.. I don't have a hydrometer yet so idk what proof or percent it was but I can tell you it was Strong!!!!!


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Are you home distilling? You should be careful, usually fusel alcohol is Also produced, it's denser and evaporates at a lower temperature, so it's always the first shot from a distillation, and it's why the first shot or two should be tossed from distillation.
Will keep you from going blind if you toss the first shot heh.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: Maverick]
#18728741 - 08/19/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maverick said: Are you home distilling? You should be careful, usually fusel alcohol is Also produced, it's denser and evaporates at a lower temperature, so it's always the first shot from a distillation, and it's why the first shot or two should be tossed from distillation.
Will keep you from going blind if you toss the first shot heh.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: Maverick]
#18728744 - 08/19/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah man I know about heads heart and tails and what temps the methanol comes off and that I should throw out my 1st 100 ml and all that. thank you for your concern though!! good lookin out
heres my keg still. don't have a condenser coil yet. I'm goin with 20' of 1/2" copper, will pick tht up this week..
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Cool little kettle still. Pro tip though, you won't be needing a thermometer in your big still at all. It will just be compromising the integrity of the still.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: mylfgur]
#18728802 - 08/19/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mylfgur said: Cool little kettle still. Pro tip though, you won't be needing a thermometer in your big still at all. It will just be compromising the integrity of the still.
thanks, i thought mabye the rubber stopper was gonna giva an off taste or leech chemicals so no more rubber, on that one got a steel connector so it's good to go!
I didnt plan on putting one I've got a laser thermometer I'll use but I've played and experimented quite a lot so after a few times with this keg still I proly won't need the thermometer any more
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mylfgur said: Cool little kettle still. Pro tip though, you won't be needing a thermometer in your big still at all. It will just be compromising the integrity of the still.
thanks, i thought mabye the rubber stopper was gonna giva an off taste or leech chemicals so no more rubber, on that one got a steel connector so it's good to go!
I didnt plan on putting one I've got a laser thermometer I'll use but I've played and experimented quite a lot so after a few times with this keg still I proly won't need the thermometer any more
Yep good plan, rubber is definitely a no-go. Also, the laser thermometer won't work because the temperature that matters is the temperature of the vapor in the column, and the laser cannot read that. The condensate is already cooled, and the temperature of the column, if its copper, will still be cooled by atmospheric conditions.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: mylfgur]
#18731054 - 08/20/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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the mad machinest said:
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mylfgur said: Cool little kettle still. Pro tip though, you won't be needing a thermometer in your big still at all. It will just be compromising the integrity of the still.
thanks, i thought mabye the rubber stopper was gonna giva an off taste or leech chemicals so no more rubber, on that one got a steel connector so it's good to go!
I didnt plan on putting one I've got a laser thermometer I'll use but I've played and experimented quite a lot so after a few times with this keg still I proly won't need the thermometer any more
Yep good plan, rubber is definitely a no-go. Also, the laser thermometer won't work because the temperature that matters is the temperature of the vapor in the column, and the laser cannot read that. The condensate is already cooled, and the temperature of the column, if its copper, will still be cooled by atmospheric conditions.
I did already know about the vapor in the column being my target for temp taking but I didnt realize that the laser wouldn't work and you have a valid point!! I guess I'll just have to go low and slow and keep a close eye on this thing. I might solder in a thermometer into the column if I feel necessary after a first run.. thanks again for your advice!
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so how does beer brewing differ from making neutral spirits? I'd like to have a try at some beer brewing..
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: Maverick]
#18731110 - 08/20/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buying beer is a waste of money. Brew that stuff yourself. Sell some of it too.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: Maverick]
#18731285 - 08/20/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't like beer that's too hoppy usually. I like the flavor OK and appreciate it and all, but it always kinda gives me a sore throat after the fact. maybe I have a minor hop allergy or something. Mostly drink Modelo Especial anymore.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: s240779]
#18731518 - 08/20/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: Buying beer is a waste of money. Brew that stuff yourself. Sell some of it too. 
Yeah that's my plan. Once I get a few good recipes down, (An IPA, a pale, a lager, but lagers are ahard cuz of the cooler temps, a stout and a porter) I'm going to sell a few 6 packs every brew I make to cover the cost of brewing.
Basically if it's going to cost about 30$ a 5gall brew, I can sell 2-3 6packs and cover the cost.
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I did already know about the vapor in the column being my target for temp taking but I didnt realize that the laser wouldn't work and you have a valid point!! I guess I'll just have to go low and slow and keep a close eye on this thing. I might solder in a thermometer into the column if I feel necessary after a first run.. thanks again for your advice!
No problem! I've been around the block with a home-built still a few times. I'd recommend your plan of just running it slowly, shoot for an even flow of condensate--for a 15.5gallon keg still, it should be coming out at a slight trickle, not drops but not pouring fast. Slow running (though medium heat should be fine on a big still like that) should maintain your vapor as mainly whatever major product comes out at the next highest temperature.
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the mad machinest said: so how does beer brewing differ from making neutral spirits? I'd like to have a try at some beer brewing..
Good question. Beer is all about a good final product without distilling. So brewers tend to use specific yeasts that impart desired flavors, as well as using hops, other spices, etc to get the flavor where they want it to be Also, a lot of beers are resweetened before bottling to add the carbonation.
GNS (or Grain Neutral Spirits) are super high-proof spirits with relatively no flavor, like Vodkas. In the industry they're made with grain, because the big ethanol plants have the technology to extract up to 96% sugar from starch in grains. To compare, craft breweries tend to only extract 70% or so (Which is why a lot of 'craft' vodka brewers actually purchase 'their' vodka already distilled from an industrial ethanol plant who rocks the economies of scale with efficient extraction and power usage on their still). Additionally, to be called 'vodka' or neutral spirit, in America at least you need the alcohol to come off the still at higher than 94%, which leaves not a whole lot of room for flavor to come through (95/5 ethanol water is an azeotropic mixture and will vaporize in that form before other higher temperatures.) Because neutral spirits are either distilled in a packed column still with a lot of theoretical plates or distilled multiple times in a pot-still, they tend to be relatively flavorless. For the home-brewer/distiller, Vodkas are usually made just with white sugar, as it should be cheaper than getting grain, enzymes, and mashing. That's your classic "moonshine" and it often does have flavors because potstills won't completely strip it out. Also, because you'll be distilling neutral spirits multiple times, the type of yeast you use doesn't really matter because you will want to eliminate yeast flavor asap.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: mylfgur]
#18731568 - 08/20/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't forget malts. There are specific base malts and specialty malts that all imbue different colors, flavors and mouthfeels to beer. Beer is all about managing the water, the malt and the hops as well as the yeast. So everything ends up contributing to the final goodness factor of the beer.
The sugar added to beer before bottling (which is a homebrew thing, as most commercially brewed beer, including microbrewed, are carbonated via adding carbonic acid rather than adding sugar. Most bottled beer for retail is filtered and contains no live yeast) isn't very sweet, and the amouint added is so negligable that it doesn't change the flavor. The goal of this sugar is to cause carbonation in bottling. The small amounts of yeast left after bottling will consume the tiny amount of dextrose sugar added (removing any 'sweet' taste) and will convert to alcohol and CO2.
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Re: Beer tastes like flowers.... [Re: mylfgur]
#18731570 - 08/20/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good beer
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