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Hashfinger
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Active Panaeolus Species From North GA 1
#18728443 - 08/19/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Found in my neighbor's very steeply sloped front lawn. Red clay, bermuda grass. No trees adjacent. Mixed Pine and Oak forest within 50 yards. The grass was pretty dull and didn't look well maintained. May that account for their small size? Are they cinctulus? They just seem a bit different to me... Flakes and sparkles on banded caps, obvious mottled gills and perhaps a slight bluing at some of the bases. Spore deposits are black. I didn't feel I needed to print them for an ID.
    
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18728452 - 08/19/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like P. cinctulus to me, what do you say?
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Anglerfish] 1
#18728465 - 08/19/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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P.cinctulus or similar no doubt.
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Byrain

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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Anglerfish] 2
#18728468 - 08/19/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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P. cinctulus, P. olivaceus, or P. fimicola. If I was going to guess, I would say neither of the first two.
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18728475 - 08/19/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sun or rain can play a big part in their appearance.
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Hashfinger
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Mead] 1
#18728541 - 08/19/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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My initial thought (side from cinctulus) was perhaps Panaeolus bisporus? We are officially entering the fall season here in GA as far as mushrooms are concerned. I have only ever seen cinctulus (in my garden) in the spring and summer. The size is what confuses me, also the very distinct darker appearance than I have seen cinctulus. If anyone wants to scope them (wintersbefore?) I'll gladly send some samples, it just may take a minute...
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Byrain

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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18728561 - 08/19/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't think this is in subgenus Copelandia, I'd place my bets on subgenus Panaeolus, either sect. Laevispora or in the case of P. olivaceus sect. Verrucispora.
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Byrain] 1
#18728574 - 08/19/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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As they've dried a bit, I can see the distinct radial wrinkles in the cap. My bet is on P. cinctulus.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18728989 - 08/19/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay reading the description for Panaeolus fimicola on Mushroom Observer, I think this may be them. Small size, silvery-grey appearance, wrinkles at apex, weakly fertilized/low-nitrogen habitat, etc. Microscopy would be needed to confirm that there are sulphidia.
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18732034 - 08/20/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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based on the color, I'd say olivaceus.
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: knarkkorven] 1
#18732050 - 08/20/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Lepkaun] 1
#18732060 - 08/20/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool find Hash
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: knarkkorven] 1
#18732443 - 08/20/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: based on the color, I'd say olivaceus.
Why not fimicola?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18732493 - 08/20/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some pictures in the field (yard). Lol
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Hashfinger] 1
#18733056 - 08/20/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is part why:
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Found in my neighbor's very steeply sloped front lawn. Red clay, bermuda grass.
P. fimicola is a dung mushroom. I also find the "accurate" ID:s having quite unique macroscopical characteristics that yours are missing, like the very dark cap. Check for example PMOTW or this photo
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: knarkkorven] 1
#18733335 - 08/20/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: P. fimicola is a dung mushroom.
Proof?
From Gerhardt's book:
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Standort: Auf eher schwach gedüngten Böden, im Gegensatz zu anderen Arten nicht direkt auf Mist, sondern höchstens im Randbereich von Misthaufen, an grasigen Stellen, auf Feldern. Weiden, Kulturrasen, in Gärten und Parkan-lagen; gesellig wachsend.
With google translate:
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location: On rather weak fertilized soils, in contrast to other species not directly on dung, but most in the edge region of dunghill, to grassy places on fields. Pastures, turf culture, and Parkán lay-in gardens, sociable growing.
Its pretty much a fools errand trying to ID this without microscopy unfortunately...
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Byrain] 1
#18733373 - 08/20/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gedüngten!
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: Gravija] 1
#18733399 - 08/20/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice. I was going to do an I'd request but will add here as I'm pretty sure they are straight. I also was surprised by the small size. Here a pic of the place all were within 3 feet growing on my sloped yard on the roots at base of hard wood. Also spore prints line up. So small I suppose just raw?


Only found 8-10. The others were brown white gilled.
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: knarkkorven] 1
#18733457 - 08/20/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: This is part why:
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Found in my neighbor's very steeply sloped front lawn. Red clay, bermuda grass.
P. fimicola is a dung mushroom. I also find the "accurate" ID:s having quite unique macroscopical characteristics that yours are missing, like the very dark cap. Check for example PMOTW or this photo
Mushrom Observer description
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Re: Active Panaeolus Species From North GA [Re: born420] 1
#18733644 - 08/20/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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born420 said: Nice. I was going to do an I'd request but will add here as I'm pretty sure they are straight. I also was surprised by the small size. Here a pic of the place all were within 3 feet growing on my sloped yard on the roots at base of hard wood. Also spore prints line up. So small I suppose just raw?
Only found 8-10. The others were brown white gilled.
You found a cool inky cap (Psathyrellaceae, 2nd pic) and maybe some other stuff like Psathyrella in the blurry mess that is your first picture. Please make your own id requests in the future.
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