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Pestile

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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: Pestile]
#18732464 - 08/20/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pestilence said: What does your box consist of? It looks like a cupboard or a kitchen element with lights inside?
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: Pestile]
#18732498 - 08/20/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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my taxi is running late, so ill take this question.
my SAB's are a wall of rubbermaid cabinets, with LED installed for the purpose, some are for fungi, some for cacti grafting.
they run about 100$ each with lights.
the green face one, is a custom built one, also about 100$
if cost is an issue, one can use some imagination, and get the same effect. hell, snag a cabinet from a dumpster or something, and lysol it up, anything that has size can be effective.
yrs ago, i used boxes like you guys. they are hard to work with sometimes. i wouldnt even wish one of those on frank!
we discovered , more room, allows for better work, as it allows for better handling.
im not the enemy here. i wish everyone the best box they can get. shroomery peeps wanna grow, and deserve the best. no one wins in a race to the point of absurd on cost or space .
taxi here, lets grow!
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Pestile

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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18732572 - 08/20/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can dig that. Thanks for clearing it up!
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grainbrain
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: Pestile]
#18732882 - 08/20/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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My next SAB will be made from the Ark of the Covenant, or maybe Tutankhamen's sarcophagus. It's the new age ferchrisssakes, don't cheap out!
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: grainbrain] 1
#18732946 - 08/20/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18025805#18025805
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Here's my SAB (Still Air Box)

I made it from a Sterlite 1478 from Wal-Mart.
It's 108quarts. Plenty of room to get things done.

The process is simple: I cut the holes with a 5" hole-saw on my cordless drill.
The 2 armholes are shoulder width apart. Some people don't realize how important it is to make the center of the holes about shoulder width apart. This gives it a nice comfortable feel.
Notice the lid is missing? That's because I turn the SAB upside down on a towel. When I spray the inside, the towel gets damp and traps contams. The towel also serves as a gasket to prevent drafts.
I made the center of the arm-holes about 7.5" from the lid lip.
The holes were the handles go have been tapped.
Every SAB will be slightly different based on your body size. I simply put the tote in to the position I would mostly be using it in. Then, I put my arms straight down to my side and then just bent at the elbows so my hands were straight out in front of me. I eyeballed were my middle finger lined up with the tote and made that my holes' center. This is the best way to figure out what the most natural place for the holes should go.
When I use it, I just wipe the walls with soapy water. Contaminants will stick to wet surfaces. I find soapy water works best. Bleach irritates my nose and lungs. Alcohol dries too fast.
I put the SAB in the least drafty room, close the door, and turn off anything that creates drafts or air circulation.
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hankstymcbankerson

Registered: 07/24/13
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18732951 - 08/20/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bought a 2nd house and converted it to a SAH. SABs are too 2013.7
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: grainbrain]
#18734264 - 08/20/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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grainbrain said: My next SAB will be made from the Ark of the Covenant, or maybe Tutankhamen's sarcophagus. It's the new age ferchrisssakes, don't cheap out!
your missing the spirit here. think " aircraft carrier" or " astrodome" in the new age , we can do better than tut or the ark. fer sure.
im starting to think , theres a see-thru bird house fetish here. growers? or bird house peeping toms?
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rew736
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18734316 - 08/20/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: rew736]
#18734361 - 08/20/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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glad to see ya rew736, this thread is turning out to be rather educational, lots of boxes , ranging from high to low, chicken coop , to myco "go-go" grow, and everything in between.
if nothing else, im pleased to see so many examples. a noob , would get a full range of options indeed.
its the kind of stuff, that makes shroomery great.
lets see what the other contestants have for us!
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toxetel
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Registered: 08/13/12
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18734405 - 08/20/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:

It's counterproductive to put lights in a still-air box, and even more so with a torch. Heat sources cause air currents, so the air will cease to be still.
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18734417 - 08/20/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol, micro chip lights. essentially no heat. room also twin HEPA.
the 450nm , and the 680 nm, make agar and mycelia resolution excellent. the few contams we do see, we see instantly. note, the crisp shadow at 2 feet from source. they aint grannys xmas lights.
no one can inoc with confidence in a fogged plastic with no lights.
even with maid in the room unshowered, we pull 95%+ all the time min.
havent seen trich in YEARS.
what kinda pigeon trap are you sportin these days tox. id be glad to comment on yours, as you have mine.
torch is for scale, i set it in there when i took the pic, cuz i couldnt hold it with the dabs bong and titianum nail. AND a cam, and NO , im not setting my 180$ glass bong down where the maid is gonna kick it over. you guys expect alot dont ya.
we have micro torches much much smaller for innoc. were not savages ya know.
i know alot of this is alien tek to many of you. we come in peace.
BZZZZZZZT. next contestant.
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Kjetterfaen
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Registered: 07/21/13
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18734479 - 08/20/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Deja vu. I swear I read all of this, word for word, a few weeks ago... I'm not trying to crack a joke; I had to check the dates of the posts to make sure.
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bodhisatta 
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Registered: 04/30/13
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: Kjetterfaen]
#18737157 - 08/21/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To be fair the thermal gradient in any SAB is going to be higher because of your hands (unless your at body temp in the room) than any microchip light let alone just moving things around even carefully.
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18737194 - 08/21/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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thermal doesnt cause contams. contams cause contams.
clean room, clean box, twin whole room HEPAS. we have very few issues.

CNM mycelia , under blue and white LED , from " box 3", the agar box.
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quisp65
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18737256 - 08/21/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personally, I think a clear tote propped up on one end a bit is superior to a SAB that has it's arm holes are cut out high up on the side. The containment risk is going to be higher below the opening where air is entering. With a clear tote propped up on one end, there is more work area above the opening, that is if that is where you are doing your work.
No matter how you do it... to reduce risk, your work should be above the opening for your arms.
I use a clear tote propped up on one end with aluminum foil around the side to slow down air movement, I just keep my work above the opening.
-------------------- A bit expensive but the largest clear tote I've found. Great if you want a large SGFC that can easily do both trays and cakes. If you decide to go all out on a SGFC, be sure to get coarse perlite. It keeps it cleaner and allows better FAE and humidity.
Edited by quisp65 (08/21/13 12:37 PM)
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: quisp65]
#18737302 - 08/21/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya know, a cig in the lab, when the air is still, will tell ya alot about your air currents.
its not always what ya think...........
no cigs? then vape!
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toxetel
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18737525 - 08/21/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: thermal doesnt cause contams. contams cause contams.
clean room, clean box, twin whole room HEPAS. we have very few issues.
You seem to be missing the point of a still-air box. Of course having a nearly sterile work room will prevent contaminations, regardless of the type of box (if any) you work in.
The point of a still-air box isn't to eliminate contaminants. It's to prevent them from landing onto your work. It allows you to perform sterile work in an otherwise non-sterile environment.
To be clear: Contams landing onto your work cause contams.
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what kinda pigeon trap are you sportin these days tox. id be glad to comment on yours, as you have mine.
I'm not seeking comment on mine, but since you asked -- I'm using a plain old 110-quart Sterilite tub with two big holes melted into one side (made by heating a soup can with a propane torch and pressing it into the side).
I spray all over the inside of it with diluted bleach just before use. I wear sterile shoulder-length gloves (meant for veterinary work) when I use it.
The box cost me less than a couple of beers and works dandy, even in my dirty, mold-ridden house.
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anne halonium said: we pull 95%+ all the time min.
I'd certainly hope that by spending all that money you're able to do better than 95%. I got fewer than 5% contaminations back when I used to do grain-to-grain in open air, just by turning off my fans and A/C and spraying the room out with Neutra-Air. I haven't had a contaminated jar at all since I started using the still-air box.
By the way -- what makes you act like such a jerk?
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anne halonium
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: toxetel]
#18737637 - 08/21/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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well i count ALL aspects in the 95%, thats agar innoc, grain innoc, and the beds......
the actual is pry closer to 99%, but , im honest about it, and stoned when i work usually. so win a lot, lose a few.
100% is not uncommon here. also, i keep my avg over thousands of containers over yrs.
im glad you do good on an occasional case, as your op obviously would be overwhelmed from more than a few dozen max.
jerk: when a grower takes a shot, is outclassed, and takes a shot at annies personality because they have nothing else, hence, a tactic to take away from the basic premise presented. common in many threads. rarely works.
by your own admission, your place is filthy. you have balls to judge my op? dont take hazy shots at me, then cop a fox news "annies picking on you spin".
so no pics?
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Slayer1024
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: anne halonium]
#18741053 - 08/22/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: well i count ALL aspects in the 95%, thats agar innoc, grain innoc, and the beds......
the actual is pry closer to 99%, but , im honest about it, and stoned when i work usually. so win a lot, lose a few.
100% is not uncommon here. also, i keep my avg over thousands of containers over yrs.
im glad you do good on an occasional case, as your op obviously would be overwhelmed from more than a few dozen max.
jerk: when a grower takes a shot, is outclassed, and takes a shot at annies personality because they have nothing else, hence, a tactic to take away from the basic premise presented. common in many threads. rarely works.
by your own admission, your place is filthy. you have balls to judge my op? dont take hazy shots at me, then cop a fox news "annies picking on you spin".
so no pics?
Dude you need to chill out you took a thread asking for help and turned it into a holier than thou thread and you wonder why you are getting negative feedback. Most people here are doing this for personal use not as a job, not everybody has as much expendable income as you do. Also why would you spend hundreds of your hard earned dollars on a SAB when you could have a nice Flowhood for that and we all know Flowhood > Still air box.
I'm sure what you are doing works great for you but calling a tried and true method no good is bound to get people pissed off.
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VirginiaGentleman
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Re: Inverted/Upside down Still Air Glove Box, will it work? [Re: Slayer1024]
#18745052 - 08/22/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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(i'm here for the mob)
Ayo i gotcher steel air box rigth herr buddy
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