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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18727264 - 08/19/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If alternative medicine worked it would just be called medicine.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: psi]
    #18727329 - 08/19/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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From what I understand, they often dilute things to the point where there can't possibly be any of the original substance left. I suppose a "drug" with no active ingredient is at least not going to actively harm you.





the problem in that logic is that you think you're getting treatment while you arent and that causes harm


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #18727367 - 08/19/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If alternative medicine worked it would just be called medicine.




:somefunnyshit:


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: OyBroop]
    #18727388 - 08/19/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

the same people who advise you to use homeopathy are the same doctors that believe ear candles work. I tried ear candles once to see if they worked and a lot of gunk built up that did look like ear wax. I then burnt a candle without sticking it in my ear and the same exact gunk formed and in the same amount, complete bullshit. try getting someone who uses these things to believe this or even get them to do their own experiments. they just want to believe for the most part.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18727458 - 08/19/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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psi said:
From what I understand, they often dilute things to the point where there can't possibly be any of the original substance left. I suppose a "drug" with no active ingredient is at least not going to actively harm you.





the problem in that logic is that you think you're getting treatment while you arent and that causes harm




Perhaps if there is some actually effective treatment you're forgoing because you believe that, but in itself the placebo treatment is not harming you. If the original complaint was imagined anyway, then not being treated when you think you are can be a good thing. Alternately, if you have a real but untreatable condition (or a treatable condition that you personally wouldn't have the means to obtain treatment for,) a little false hope may not necessarily be a bad thing either.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #18727522 - 08/19/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i used to live next to a "hippie" type family when i was younger and one day her daughter babysat. we ended up going to the pool and later that day i guess i had got water in my ear and it started to bug the shit out of me. the mom had me lay on my side while she rolled up a newspaper then lit the shit on fire. she let it burn for a bit, then blew the flame out. she then proceeded to blow the smoke into my ear.

shit was weird. fucking hippies and their mumbo jumbo magic...


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: OyBroop]
    #18727544 - 08/19/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Homeopathy ideally is not used as a treatment for a disease. you go to real medicine for that. it's meant to be used for every day life to feel better. when youre already healthy. kinda like weed (which is also medicine), except no high

that's the idea anyway. it could also be a replacement for sleeping pills, anxiety pills, menopause management etc

I'm not buying it just yet but it doesnt seem crazy


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
    #18727559 - 08/19/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I use natural and homeopathic remedies when they work. If I've got a major infection or something though, I'm goin for the antibiotics.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18727565 - 08/19/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I use natural and homeopathic remedies when they work. If I've got a major infection or something though, I'm goin for the antibiotics.


thats what youre supposed to do yeah


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
    #18727569 - 08/19/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Homeopathy ideally is not used as a treatment for a disease. you go to real medicine for that. it's meant to be used for every day life to feel better. when youre already healthy.




I don't know where you heard that.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
    #18727863 - 08/19/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'll take my chances with homeo/natural medicine before I go with western practice. The drugs these people prescribe can be horrible horrible "medicines". I got floxxed once from a flouroqiunolone antibiotic that ruined me for 4 months. 4 pills gave me a 4 month case of fibromyalgia. Since then I have treated the same infection with high vitamin c doses and acids and it works just as quickly. A lot of the time there is no other option. But if you have something wrong and you go cling to a western doc, odds are good that he is going to give you some shit that will give you side effects worse than your previous condition.

From what I understand the guidelines that drugs are written up for are created by the pharmaceutical companies. And I think most of us here know the nature of big pharma.

I don't think it's doctors being evil, money hungry or lacking care I just think they system they are in can be whack. Most docs won't even listen to you and as they are just writing up a prescription and letting the door hit your ass on the way out. I would like to see doctors that practice it all. Pill popping, natural, homeo... whatever it takes. They shouldn't stick to pills and expensive treatments. They should always try to find a good cheap natural cure for you first. But then again, medicine is a money making business so it will always have that edge:frown:

Anymore unless I need some help with my back pain I just go to a local vitality store and these natural herb pushing folk have been more help to me over the years and they don't bullshit me since they aren't making money off me in the same way. My mom does this as well and she is doing way better than when she wen't to the doctors. She fixed her depression, skin and hair looks great and her knee and joint issues are all better now. Before, her physician just gave her shit pills that didn't do anything but empty her wallet.

I think people should spend more time reading online about their conditions and try to fix it themselves before they go cling to a doctor that may not even give a sit about you. You gotta look after yourself.  These medicine cabinets full of pills have got to go !


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #18727915 - 08/19/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

herbs and tinctures definitely work for the right conditions and if grown and prepared properly. we all know that valerian works, especially on cats. my cats even lap up valerian tincture and get all high then go to sleep.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
    #18727922 - 08/19/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

As I said, don't confuse homeopathy with naturopathy. The former is a radical subset of the latter.




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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: OyBroop]
    #18727994 - 08/19/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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i call bullshit. i have some... fuck, my minds drawing a blank. they are meant for relaxation and i got them free from wonder labs. they are homeopathy and they do not do shit.

oh, valerian root pills




oh you got bunk vlaerian root them.

valerian is very much active.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #18727999 - 08/19/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If alternative medicine worked it would just be called medicine.



bold words for someone who's never tried a decent alternative medicine.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #18728033 - 08/19/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If alternative medicine worked it would just be called medicine.



Ideally any effective treatment "should" be absorbed into mainstream medicine, but really there is no guarantee of that in practice.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: psi]
    #18728040 - 08/19/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: Legend]
    #18728114 - 08/19/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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OyBroop said:
i call bullshit. i have some... fuck, my minds drawing a blank. they are meant for relaxation and i got them free from wonder labs. they are homeopathy and they do not do shit.

oh, valerian root pills




oh you got bunk vlaerian root them.

valerian is very much active.




i think im expecting something to actually happen...


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: OyBroop]
    #18728163 - 08/19/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Valerian effects gaba and can cause similar withdrawal to benzos and alcohol, so it probably is active. That said homeopathy is complete bull bologna.


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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
    #18728188 - 08/19/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)



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