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Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice.
    #18726772 - 08/19/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hello all my name is Commercial Grows. As you cant tell I am new here I have been doing some research off site for a few weeks now and long story short someone will be giving me a floor of a house and or a small apartment in order for me to grow shrooms in. Here is my plan so far:

1. Get 4 spore syringes.
2. Get fill 4 quart jars with
250ml of rye seed  180ml of water.
3. Pressure cook them.
4. Shake them.
5.Loosen lid.
6.inoculate.
Now after this point should they be stored in a tub at 86Degrees?
If so then
7. Place in a small closet room that was previously sprayed with bleach solution and build small shelves around the closet to hold more jars.
8.Tighten lid before shaking then reloosin it after shaking every other day.
9. Take the jars once fully colonized and pour about one tenth of the jar into a new rye substrate jar. Do this with all 4 jars and end up with almost 40 jars.
10. Store them again but take 10 from the end and restart the cycle with those.
11. The remaining 30 jars will be placed in a tub lined at the bottom with vermiculite. 5 jars per large tub.
12. Attach a humidifier via a hose to the tubs (one humidifier for every 4 tubs.) Then place a space heater inside the room set to 87* and place the same hose that goes to the humidifier to the heater so the humid air does not chill the plants. (Need some advice on that part). Also airtight the door leading into this room so as not to lose or give off heat.
13. Have 2 rooms setup like this so you can have one set fruiting and another developing.
14. when it comes time for fruiting set a timer that turns a light between each tub on for 12 hours on 12 hours off. Also let the room cooldown a bit by opening the door for an hour or 2 after spraying the surrounding area with bleach solution so it can drop 10 degrees. After that set the space heater for 76* and reseal the door.
15. Harvest the mushrooms and replace the vermiculite.

So where do you guys see this going wrong? Any ways I can improve it. Also does strain matter in yield? If so can someone recommend a strain that has a decent yield and is not prone to infection as easily? I am a noob and have only grown cakes once 4 years ago so please I will accept any and all advice.

I am using a lot of knowledge I gained from this video :


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18726822 - 08/19/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

When I say a light inbetween the tubs im not sure what light to use but it would be positioned as.
*{_____}*{_____}*  with * representing the light.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18726832 - 08/19/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Also when the jars are poured out I would do one layer vermiculate a layer of the rye seed jars that were colonized and then another layer of vermiculite. Does that sound correct? :X


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18726871 - 08/19/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Commercial Grows said:
*{_____}*{_____}*




:boobs: to you, too, and welcome to the Shroomery.

So nowadays people tend to make their jars with a polyfill, tyvek, EZ felt or filter disc-filtered hole for gas exchange, rather than bothering with loosening and tightening the caps all the time.

To inoculate 4 quart jars of grain you need 0.1 spore syringe.  The cubensis variety makes no difference, apart from albinos and PE.

86 degrees is way too hot.  Try to keep it at 80 degrees or less.

Do your G2Gs in a properly prepared still air box.

You'll have a much better yield if you use monotubs than if you just spread your grain over some vermiculite.  And you won't need a humidifier.

More people will likely have more suggestions.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18726901 - 08/19/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My advice would be to try a run or two with one monotub before you start trying to run 8+ at a time.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18726916 - 08/19/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Start with your lids, synthetic filter disks. Almost guarantees sterile gas exchange.
Look into monotubs. Frankhorrigan, transcendinglife, and other trusted cultivators tags will have good links in their signature.
A cube is a cube. EXCEPT penis envy, ape, and aa+
Get an exotic if you want something that packs a punch.
There is no guarantee in this hobby. Try to be sterile.
86 is high. Stick around 80.
You want a canopy you'll probably want to clone or get an iso. That means Petri dishes and agar.
You never mentioned still air box. It seems like you might have some money to play with. Look at laminar flow hoods. That will be your work space.

Keep us posted and good luck!


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18726944 - 08/19/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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8.Tighten lid before shaking then reloosin it after shaking every other day.


As someone already said before, no need for loosening the jar lids, punch a hole in the lid with a screwdriver and fill it with some polyfill which you also inject through. And also, you should not shake every 2 days. Shake once after pc'ing, once at 50% colonization, and once before you spawn to a bulk substrate, such as coir/verm or hpoo/verm. Hope this helped!


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: blojo02184]
    #18726963 - 08/19/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So 80 for incubation, 70 for fruiting. And I should look into getting filter disks for my jars and look into how to setup/maintain a monotub.

Now you said exotics pack a punch are they harder to grow ? Should I attempt them or... im a tad bit confused on the strains of mushrooms and if they grow differently or there are any differences that will affect me other than appearance.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #18726969 - 08/19/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The point of shaking would be to keep the grain mixture easy to work with if I only shook it 2 times it would clump up and be hard to use? Maybe im wrong though.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727010 - 08/19/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Aside from penis envy and the albinos, cubes are all the same.  We make the people who disagree hang out in a giant stickied thread where nobody has to listen to them.

Exotics range from a little bit harder to grow inside to only theoretically possible to grow inside, but they're all harder.  Start with cubes for sure.  There are more potent species out there, but cubensis is still in the 75th percentile or so.  Penis envy is likely above that.  For almost all commercial growers cubensis is their bread and butter, and exotics are just fun little side excursions.

Yes, it clumps up and gets hard to break up if you only shake it once.  But your hyphae will take a day or two to recover every time you shake, so if you're shaking more than once or twice you're really shooting yourself in the foot.  Just bang your jars against a roll of duct tape and you'll be fine.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18727020 - 08/19/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So just bang it on some duct tape before I take it out? And what strain would you recommend also what site to buy from?


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727034 - 08/19/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Commercial Grows said:
So just bang it on some duct tape before I take it out? And what strain would you recommend also what site to buy from?




WOAH WOAH WOAH.....vendor names are NOT used here bucko. :justno: :wink:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727037 - 08/19/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I hate to do this to you, but I'd really like to echo some advice I saw RR give on here once:  go to the main mushroom cultivation page, and read the first five pages.  Read every comment, save the threads which are like thirty pages long.  All your questions will be answered, and so will most of the questions you haven't asked yet.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18727043 - 08/19/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you are new...go with ANY cubensis...will work exactly the same...and as far as where to get your spores....check the sponsors...but remember they are for microscopy research ONLY.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727052 - 08/19/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks im gonna go read up on how to setup monotubs and take a look at the sponsors so I can get some spores for my microscope :laugh:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727053 - 08/19/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Nakor420 said:
If you are new...go with ANY cubensis...will work exactly the same...and as far as where to get your spores....check the sponsors...but remember they are for microscopy research ONLY.




I've noticed a lot of newbies really love Golden Teacher or Cambodian or even B+ put if the conditions are identical..the fruits will be identical as well.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727057 - 08/19/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Commercial Grows said:
Thanks im gonna go read up on how to setup monotubs and take a look at the sponsors so I can get some spores for my microscope :laugh:




There ya go...:greatjob:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727107 - 08/19/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18727160 - 08/19/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So are you saying before fruiting my temps should be at 70* with indirect light 12 hours a day and during fruiting 80* with direct light 12 hours a day? Were I live it can get very cold so rather than room temperature I want to control everything via heaters, humidifiers and air conditioners.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18727161 - 08/19/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Talk about jumpin in head first, thats cool wish you the best of luck.

And although we all talk openly about what we do and I respect you not using the whole my friend is or someone whos not me,  I little more discretion could be advised.

I mean commercial grows... as a user name while hilarious its kinda of putting to me.  Just saying you dont wanna be these guys do you?



Edited by TasteTheSound (08/19/13 11:46 AM)


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