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Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice.
    #18726772 - 08/19/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hello all my name is Commercial Grows. As you cant tell I am new here I have been doing some research off site for a few weeks now and long story short someone will be giving me a floor of a house and or a small apartment in order for me to grow shrooms in. Here is my plan so far:

1. Get 4 spore syringes.
2. Get fill 4 quart jars with
250ml of rye seed  180ml of water.
3. Pressure cook them.
4. Shake them.
5.Loosen lid.
6.inoculate.
Now after this point should they be stored in a tub at 86Degrees?
If so then
7. Place in a small closet room that was previously sprayed with bleach solution and build small shelves around the closet to hold more jars.
8.Tighten lid before shaking then reloosin it after shaking every other day.
9. Take the jars once fully colonized and pour about one tenth of the jar into a new rye substrate jar. Do this with all 4 jars and end up with almost 40 jars.
10. Store them again but take 10 from the end and restart the cycle with those.
11. The remaining 30 jars will be placed in a tub lined at the bottom with vermiculite. 5 jars per large tub.
12. Attach a humidifier via a hose to the tubs (one humidifier for every 4 tubs.) Then place a space heater inside the room set to 87* and place the same hose that goes to the humidifier to the heater so the humid air does not chill the plants. (Need some advice on that part). Also airtight the door leading into this room so as not to lose or give off heat.
13. Have 2 rooms setup like this so you can have one set fruiting and another developing.
14. when it comes time for fruiting set a timer that turns a light between each tub on for 12 hours on 12 hours off. Also let the room cooldown a bit by opening the door for an hour or 2 after spraying the surrounding area with bleach solution so it can drop 10 degrees. After that set the space heater for 76* and reseal the door.
15. Harvest the mushrooms and replace the vermiculite.

So where do you guys see this going wrong? Any ways I can improve it. Also does strain matter in yield? If so can someone recommend a strain that has a decent yield and is not prone to infection as easily? I am a noob and have only grown cakes once 4 years ago so please I will accept any and all advice.

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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18726822 - 08/19/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I say a light inbetween the tubs im not sure what light to use but it would be positioned as.
*{_____}*{_____}*  with * representing the light.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18726832 - 08/19/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Also when the jars are poured out I would do one layer vermiculate a layer of the rye seed jars that were colonized and then another layer of vermiculite. Does that sound correct? :X


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18726871 - 08/19/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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*{_____}*{_____}*




:boobs: to you, too, and welcome to the Shroomery.

So nowadays people tend to make their jars with a polyfill, tyvek, EZ felt or filter disc-filtered hole for gas exchange, rather than bothering with loosening and tightening the caps all the time.

To inoculate 4 quart jars of grain you need 0.1 spore syringe.  The cubensis variety makes no difference, apart from albinos and PE.

86 degrees is way too hot.  Try to keep it at 80 degrees or less.

Do your G2Gs in a properly prepared still air box.

You'll have a much better yield if you use monotubs than if you just spread your grain over some vermiculite.  And you won't need a humidifier.

More people will likely have more suggestions.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18726901 - 08/19/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My advice would be to try a run or two with one monotub before you start trying to run 8+ at a time.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18726916 - 08/19/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Start with your lids, synthetic filter disks. Almost guarantees sterile gas exchange.
Look into monotubs. Frankhorrigan, transcendinglife, and other trusted cultivators tags will have good links in their signature.
A cube is a cube. EXCEPT penis envy, ape, and aa+
Get an exotic if you want something that packs a punch.
There is no guarantee in this hobby. Try to be sterile.
86 is high. Stick around 80.
You want a canopy you'll probably want to clone or get an iso. That means Petri dishes and agar.
You never mentioned still air box. It seems like you might have some money to play with. Look at laminar flow hoods. That will be your work space.

Keep us posted and good luck!


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18726944 - 08/19/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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8.Tighten lid before shaking then reloosin it after shaking every other day.


As someone already said before, no need for loosening the jar lids, punch a hole in the lid with a screwdriver and fill it with some polyfill which you also inject through. And also, you should not shake every 2 days. Shake once after pc'ing, once at 50% colonization, and once before you spawn to a bulk substrate, such as coir/verm or hpoo/verm. Hope this helped!


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: blojo02184]
    #18726963 - 08/19/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So 80 for incubation, 70 for fruiting. And I should look into getting filter disks for my jars and look into how to setup/maintain a monotub.

Now you said exotics pack a punch are they harder to grow ? Should I attempt them or... im a tad bit confused on the strains of mushrooms and if they grow differently or there are any differences that will affect me other than appearance.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #18726969 - 08/19/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The point of shaking would be to keep the grain mixture easy to work with if I only shook it 2 times it would clump up and be hard to use? Maybe im wrong though.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727010 - 08/19/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Aside from penis envy and the albinos, cubes are all the same.  We make the people who disagree hang out in a giant stickied thread where nobody has to listen to them.

Exotics range from a little bit harder to grow inside to only theoretically possible to grow inside, but they're all harder.  Start with cubes for sure.  There are more potent species out there, but cubensis is still in the 75th percentile or so.  Penis envy is likely above that.  For almost all commercial growers cubensis is their bread and butter, and exotics are just fun little side excursions.

Yes, it clumps up and gets hard to break up if you only shake it once.  But your hyphae will take a day or two to recover every time you shake, so if you're shaking more than once or twice you're really shooting yourself in the foot.  Just bang your jars against a roll of duct tape and you'll be fine.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18727020 - 08/19/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So just bang it on some duct tape before I take it out? And what strain would you recommend also what site to buy from?


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727034 - 08/19/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So just bang it on some duct tape before I take it out? And what strain would you recommend also what site to buy from?




WOAH WOAH WOAH.....vendor names are NOT used here bucko. :justno: :wink:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727037 - 08/19/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I hate to do this to you, but I'd really like to echo some advice I saw RR give on here once:  go to the main mushroom cultivation page, and read the first five pages.  Read every comment, save the threads which are like thirty pages long.  All your questions will be answered, and so will most of the questions you haven't asked yet.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Psilicon]
    #18727043 - 08/19/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you are new...go with ANY cubensis...will work exactly the same...and as far as where to get your spores....check the sponsors...but remember they are for microscopy research ONLY.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727052 - 08/19/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks im gonna go read up on how to setup monotubs and take a look at the sponsors so I can get some spores for my microscope :laugh:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727053 - 08/19/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If you are new...go with ANY cubensis...will work exactly the same...and as far as where to get your spores....check the sponsors...but remember they are for microscopy research ONLY.




I've noticed a lot of newbies really love Golden Teacher or Cambodian or even B+ put if the conditions are identical..the fruits will be identical as well.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727057 - 08/19/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks im gonna go read up on how to setup monotubs and take a look at the sponsors so I can get some spores for my microscope :laugh:




There ya go...:greatjob:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727107 - 08/19/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18727160 - 08/19/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So are you saying before fruiting my temps should be at 70* with indirect light 12 hours a day and during fruiting 80* with direct light 12 hours a day? Were I live it can get very cold so rather than room temperature I want to control everything via heaters, humidifiers and air conditioners.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: PussyFart]
    #18727161 - 08/19/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Talk about jumpin in head first, thats cool wish you the best of luck.

And although we all talk openly about what we do and I respect you not using the whole my friend is or someone whos not me,  I little more discretion could be advised.

I mean commercial grows... as a user name while hilarious its kinda of putting to me.  Just saying you dont wanna be these guys do you?



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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: TasteTheSound]
    #18727185 - 08/19/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

im using a socks 5 proxy located in NY connected threw a vpn both of which are located very far from me if the police wish to divulge recourses in finding me they would then have to follow me for weeks to find out where this is taking place as it is also nowhere near me it would be a waste of time and recourses to catch me plus once I start growing I never said I would post proof of it and besides for all you know I could be a fed :wink: Im into the hacking scene security comes naturally.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727186 - 08/19/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So are you saying before fruiting my temps should be at 70* with indirect light 12 hours a day and during fruiting 80* with direct light 12 hours a day? Were I live it can get very cold so rather than room temperature I want to control everything via heaters, humidifiers and air conditioners.




NO...you want to have the cooler temp WHILE FRUITING...higher temp DURING COLONIZATION


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727204 - 08/19/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Hello all my name is Commercial Grows.



:mygoditsfullofstars:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18727223 - 08/19/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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So are you saying before fruiting my temps should be at 70* with indirect light 12 hours a day and during fruiting 80* with direct light 12 hours a day? Were I live it can get very cold so rather than room temperature I want to control everything via heaters, humidifiers and air conditioners.




NO...you want to have the cooler temp WHILE FRUITING...higher temp DURING COLONIZATION




That's what I thought previously maybe I misread the post that's why I was so confused.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18727231 - 08/19/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is a failure waiting to happen if you are asking such basic, basic questions at this stage of the game.  You need to have actually done this before otherwise you're going to be wasting your time and other people's money.


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    #18727256 - 08/19/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This is a failure waiting to happen if you are asking such basic, basic questions at this stage of the game.  You need to have actually done this before otherwise you're going to be wasting your time and other people's money.



:whathesaid:

I was thinking this, just didn't want to be the guy who said it.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Juiceh]
    #18727325 - 08/19/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

PF TEK!!!! LEARN IT!!!!! :superscream:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18729056 - 08/19/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I already said I have previously done the PF tek...... Its not suitable for what im trying to do though so I don't see how it applies ? And those saying it will fail.... why? If I take the proper measures im bound to have a few good tubs maybe not 100% at first but I don't see why me attempting more than one would hurt chances of me getting it right if anything it would improve them?


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18730139 - 08/19/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cause you are asking questions that anyone who has the PF tek down shouldn't be asking...like the temps and stuff...if you've been successful with the PF tek...you should know that shit. So you are either trolling or acting like you know way more than you do.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Nakor420]
    #18730338 - 08/19/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Cause you are asking questions that anyone who has the PF tek down shouldn't be asking...like the temps and stuff...if you've been successful with the PF tek...you should know that shit. So you are either trolling or acting like you know way more than you do.





Nakor420 got you by the balls. I know you been watching a lot of documentaries on drug lords and shit but start of small atleast start of one mono tub and learn from it. Use the search tool above to for awnsers. Asking questions like what sponsor should I use or how often do i shake makes you look stupid because you claimed to grow pf tek before. :confused:


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: ShroomyShroomsMan]
    #18730347 - 08/19/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The video didn't really peak our interest.  So we used RRs videos to help us start.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18730777 - 08/20/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this hobby is not meant to be rushed you will end up really pissed and lose a bunch of money. you should start with the pf tek and do a lot of reading. Patience is everything in this hobby. good luck tho


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    #18731745 - 08/20/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have done the pf tek and I stated the temps I used in the OP it worked for me then but I know it wasn't the best outcome which is why im here. Excuse me if I sound rude or arrogant I asked temps since I saw some contradicting info posted here and on another board and was confused. I appreciate all the advice so far and am continuing to study.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18731785 - 08/20/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Your going about this the wrong way, for many of the wrong reasons Commercial.

Take a few steps back, and learn to walk first.

One does not simply go from a few brf cakes- to an entire house lined with mono's.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: b plus]
    #18731831 - 08/20/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Your going about this the wrong way, for many of the wrong reasons Commercial.

Take a few steps back, and learn to walk first.

One does not simply go from a few brf cakes- to an entire house lined with mono's.




Plus you are coming on an internet forum insinuating that you are going to start a large commercial grow of a controlled substance. That just does not strike me as very intelligent. Something like that could certainly bring unwanted attention here. Personally I think you are living in a fantasy world


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Stromrider]
    #18732052 - 08/20/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody ever said I was going to actually complete and post proof this of this task being worked on and safety precautions have been taken on my end before entering this site don't worry about that part mate. Thanks for the support and swim will be doing a test run with 1 monotub later this week.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18732187 - 08/20/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Swim, swim, I hate you now.

I love the fact you're into hacking, spouting off about socks proxies and vpns, but can't spell the most basic of words.

If you wanna be a millionaire growing shrooms, don't. Also if you do, shhhhhhhhhh.
It's things such as large commercial grows that make LEO's crack down that much harder.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: maddchef]
    #18732195 - 08/20/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Stromrider]
    #18732899 - 08/20/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

im not sure why everyone's turning so negative and hateful? Anyway im going to try and recreate a grow I saw posted on this forum hoping the OP will answer my pms.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: Commercial Grows]
    #18733634 - 08/20/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody likes it when a noob wanders in with a list of questions attempting to re-create massive bulk grows to earn quick cash. It gives our community a bad name.


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Re: Bulk grow with constant harvest. Need advice. [Re: b plus]
    #18733729 - 08/20/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, obviously people know your intents.. "commercial grows"...,and then you try to hide it behind swim...

Read the rules, it states any questions about cultivating for profit will be neglected and the OP can be banned.

And like people have said, start with pf tek, move onto bulk. The last time you did it was 4 years ago.  There has been major discoveries since then. Like no cold shocking cubes, and no h2o2.


You stumbled blindly into unwelcoming territory.


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