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Offlineeve69
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I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death.
    #18726129 - 08/19/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's bullshit. There is nobody who has experienced ego death before death. It started as a statement about feeling loss of personal identity. I suggest this is more a feeling or thought thing, and not an ego thing.

I hate all those smily empty headed beatniks who think because they are high and have no material goods that they are spiritual - closer to truth - or egoless. The most 'egoless' people I have ever talked to really get touchy when you question them.

Enough already. Ego death is a travesty, a mere subjective blip, and not a real state, spiritual or otherwise.

The people who experience the closest thing to ego death are sociopaths and borderline personalities.

Why continue to promote this bullshit concept?

The spiritual experience is based in love.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18726142 - 08/19/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Sociopaths aren't necessarily bad people. It's only when they are malicious.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: viktor]
    #18726149 - 08/19/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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viktor said:
Sociopaths aren't necessarily bad people. It's only when they are malicious.





Sharks aren't necessarily bad fish.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18726165 - 08/19/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

True :thumbup:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: viktor]
    #18726204 - 08/19/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think ego death can be experienced on high doses of lsd or mushrooms ect. Also i think high doses can very effectively mimic a dying experience. To me ego death is when YOU stop existing and become all but it can't last for ever you want survive like that


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: viktor] * 2
    #18726205 - 08/19/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ego death doesn't ever really happen except as the end of the biological form.


What is meant is total absorption into the Self. Then the ego "moves out of the way" in the mind, to mean that for a second the mind stops looking at itself and examining its own BS and looks at what is always here.

A simple way of seeing beyond the ego is to simply look outside of the body and feel the fact that it is very very old, much older than the physical body. From the POV of a floating perspective that sees all of these objects, yet is older than them all, there is little room for the worldly dross that occupies our minds. And most of that time that worldly dross does not serve any useful or real goal or gain whereas focusing on the huge expanse around and within us always gains and has real results.


Ego death often refers to Nirvikalpa Samadhi, a type of death/rebirth experience. It's a type of experience, a state of (non)consciousness which is very much real and very accessible to people in much the same way that puberty is accessible to people.

This is not to be confused with ego death as in the total cessation of the I-thought, nor with ego death as in the end of pride/arrogance/lust/greed/malicious desire though all of these are interlinked. It all depends how you define Ego, then that determines whether "ego death" makes sense or not.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: allseeingike] * 3
    #18726246 - 08/19/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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allseeingike said:
I think ego death can be experienced on high doses of lsd or mushrooms ect. Also i think high doses can very effectively mimic a dying experience. To me ego death is when YOU stop existing and become all but it can't last for ever you want survive like that




How can you know what  effectively mimics a dying experience?  Have you ever died?


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #18726264 - 08/19/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I sometimes think completely letting go is what we are afraid of rather than death, and perhaps when you do it feels like something died although in reality things are the same, just your perception adjusted, and that's why people call it a death experience.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #18726271 - 08/19/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't last. You seem to think it ought to.
Psychedelics are for self improvement, not to make you spiritual.
Don't be so angry. Seems you need a high dose yourself.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: hgmstl] * 1
    #18726296 - 08/19/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: I don't think any of those things.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #18726297 - 08/19/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
I sometimes think completely letting go is what we are afraid of rather than death, and perhaps when you do it feels like something died although in reality things are the same, just your perception adjusted, and that's why people call it a death experience.





That's what it comes down to. Born free of attachments altogether, in some sense. Then we develop them. Then we either let them go, or not. But when we die, they are automatically severed. So ego death = severing those attachments while still alive.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: crkhd]
    #18726301 - 08/19/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think anyone ever severs all attachment.  Many attachments however do not serve one well at all and the less of those the better.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: hgmstl] * 1
    #18726302 - 08/19/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What it comes down to is human language is really bad at describing the psychedelic experience and everything that goes along with it. This is why you get confusion whenever someone on a high dose tries to explain how it feels like they were stuck in another realm without any past history (there is just the you of now and you completely have forgotten there was ever another existence) for days/weeks/months/years, when the person knows it wasn't that long and yet something about our perception does make it happen.

I think its unfair to judge others experiences without knowing what it was like, and there will be a high % of people on a board like this that actually have experimented with higher doses of psychadelics. Yes you are going to read a lot about ego death and people are going to use it as a bragging right or whatever which i think is a bit annoying. However you can't take away what truly felt like it happened to us (for me it was a high dose of lsd+marijuana that made me feel like i went to another realm and at first started out as an out of body experience, observing myself from above laying down as well as going to other rooms in the house and then rocketing off into another alien realm somewhere either in my brain or in some other reality. The only thing that ever came similar was a high dose of salvia.). For others experiences like this might not be "life changing" but I can say it has definitely shifted the direction I have gone with my life, the type of work I choose for myself, the way I do work, and the way I deal with my everyday existence/the relationships of those around me. I am a much more sensitive, patient individual just from a couple of experiences, and I think this in the end is the beauty of psychedelics for myself even if now I am pretty scared to dabble at all with them anymore (at lower doses, I always have to confront real life issues from my past that I don't like confronting, at high doses, I am scared of my world being shattered again, wish I could just have a straight up fun connected with others feeling psychedelic experience without either of those possibilities coming to the forefront).


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: stanski]
    #18726330 - 08/19/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

great post:thumbup:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18726335 - 08/19/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Couldn't disagree more.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #18726337 - 08/19/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think anyone ever severs all attachment. 




I think maybe, maybe not, no way to tell although certainly rarely if so. Theoretically I think it is possible though, although it may be out of reach practically, the fear of it can hang over ones head regardless.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: huffinglue]
    #18726340 - 08/19/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

explain?


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #18726353 - 08/19/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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great post:thumbup:




agree :thumbup:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Icelander]
    #18726443 - 08/19/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well, he says noone experiances ego death before death. How many dead people has he talked to to back this up? Also says it's more of a feeling, thought thing instead of a ego thing, wich I think are one in the same. I've been tripping and didn't know who I was and had no desire for food, water, shelter, cigs, weed, safety, or anything. Just experiancing everything that came my way. Is this not ego death?


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18726495 - 08/19/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's kinda foolish for people to try to compare their experiences with psychedelics with the experiences of other people. Every trip is unique, every person in unique. I don't really need labels like "ego death"


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