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Any ideas about this strange black spot?
    #18725762 - 08/19/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Woke up to check out some BRF jars and I've come across this weird black spot. Strange as it is not near any inoculation point (mycelium growing healthily around most the cake). I don't see how it would of got there if it is contam! Anyone ID it as contam? Other 5 jars in the batch look fine. Last round lost 5/6 jars to wet spot but never had any contam previously :uhoh::sad:





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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725764 - 08/19/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That is contaminated.

Sterilize it, then toss the contents and wash it out with soapy water.


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725767 - 08/19/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

R.I.P. Sorry for your loss

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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18725776 - 08/19/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
That is contaminated.

Sterilize it, then toss the contents and wash it out with soapy water.



You pressure cook your moldy jars?

When I tried that, my whole house stunk of mold. How do you avoid this?


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725777 - 08/19/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks guys.

Will toss and then go and have an epic sulk!!! Wonder what it'll smell like.... :eek::uhoh:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725778 - 08/19/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Skinty said:
Thanks guys.

Will toss and then go and have an epic sulk!!! Wonder what it'll smell like.... :eek::uhoh:



I'm just curious. How did you not know they were contaminated? those are quite green. and green is bad :shrug: :discorex:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18725782 - 08/19/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Skinty said:
Thanks guys.

Will toss and then go and have an epic sulk!!! Wonder what it'll smell like.... :eek::uhoh:



I'm just curious. How did you not know they were contaminated? those are quite green. and green is bad :shrug: :discorex:




It's actually black not green! I s'pose I knew it had to be contam I just can't figure out how the contam has landed THERE as did not innoc there, jars were properly sterilized and the verm barrier is sound  :shrug:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725786 - 08/19/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Skinty said:
Thanks guys.

Will toss and then go and have an epic sulk!!! Wonder what it'll smell like.... :eek::uhoh:



I'm just curious. How did you not know they were contaminated? those are quite green. and green is bad :shrug: :discorex:




It's actually black not green! I s'pose I knew it had to be contam I just can't figure out how the contam has landed THERE as did not innoc there, jars were properly sterilized and the verm barrier is sound  :shrug:



:facepalm:

Am i seeing colors wrong here? Those spots are tiny. What about the rest of the jar thats all GREEN


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18725809 - 08/19/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Skinty said:
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rbalzer said:
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Skinty said:
Thanks guys.

Will toss and then go and have an epic sulk!!! Wonder what it'll smell like.... :eek::uhoh:



I'm just curious. How did you not know they were contaminated? those are quite green. and green is bad :shrug: :discorex:




It's actually black not green! I s'pose I knew it had to be contam I just can't figure out how the contam has landed THERE as did not innoc there, jars were properly sterilized and the verm barrier is sound  :shrug:



:facepalm:

Am i seeing colors wrong here? Those spots are tiny. What about the rest of the jar thats all GREEN




Trust me it's not :smile: must just be the photo. I'm a little colour blind but the rest is definitely non discoloured BRF mix / healthy myc :thumbup:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725813 - 08/19/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ha, oh. Sorry if I was kinda a dick. I really thought it was green so it was tripping me out. :doh:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18725816 - 08/19/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ha, oh. Sorry if I was kinda a dick. I really thought it was green so it was tripping me out. :doh:




No worries you can only say it as you see it! :cookiemonster:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725820 - 08/19/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ha, oh. Sorry if I was kinda a dick. I really thought it was green so it was tripping me out. :doh:




No worries you can only say it as you see it! :cookiemonster:



and debate/honesty lead to learning :grin:

Nice to meet you btw :hatsoff:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Skinty]
    #18725827 - 08/19/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

according to RR, the sterilization process does not actually sterilize the brf, grains, etc.  It just knocks the comtam spores into a kind of coma to use an analogy.  They can and do wake up from the coma given enough time.  It usually takes a week or two.  So it's good for the myc to colonize as fast as possible to keep the contams from waking up and getting a foothold.

Actual sterilization would make the grains turn into a puddle of ooze because it would take 24 hours of cooking or something like that.


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18725832 - 08/19/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Is it just me or does it look like there's too much moisture in that jar?


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: invitro]
    #18725835 - 08/19/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Actual sterilization would make the grains turn into a puddle of ooze because it would take 24 hours of cooking or something like that.



uh, wtf?  please elaborate.


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18725851 - 08/19/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That's as much as I know on the subject.


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18725923 - 08/19/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That is contaminated.

Sterilize it, then toss the contents and wash it out with soapy water.



You pressure cook your moldy jars?

When I tried that, my whole house stunk of mold. How do you avoid this?



Yes you PC moldy jars before opening them.

You cannot avoid this....


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: invitro]
    #18726047 - 08/19/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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according to RR, the sterilization process does not actually sterilize the brf, grains, etc.  It just knocks the comtam spores into a kind of coma to use an analogy.  They can and do wake up from the coma given enough time.  It usually takes a week or two.  So it's good for the myc to colonize as fast as possible to keep the contams from waking up and getting a foothold.

Actual sterilization would make the grains turn into a puddle of ooze because it would take 24 hours of cooking or something like that.




Didn't know this. I assumed any unwanted organisms were dead through sterilization. Did not think they were just having a nap :lol: although did obviously realise that they are still in the jars as dead organisms as opposed to sterilization somehow teleporting them out of yr mix :slomo:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18726581 - 08/19/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Notahacker420 said:
That is contaminated.

Sterilize it, then toss the contents and wash it out with soapy water.



You pressure cook your moldy jars?

When I tried that, my whole house stunk of mold. How do you avoid this?



Yes you PC moldy jars before opening them.

You cannot avoid this....



well then I'd rather just open them without pressure cooking and scrape the moldy grains out.

I understand it would be better to kill everything in the jar first so as not to spread fuck tons of mold spores. But it just smells so nasty...


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: invitro]
    #18726584 - 08/19/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That's as much as I know on the subject.



if you can't explain better than that, then you must not know what you're talking about :shrug:


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Re: Any ideas about this strange black spot? [Re: invitro]
    #18726597 - 08/19/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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according to RR, the sterilization process does not actually sterilize the brf, grains, etc.  It just knocks the comtam spores into a kind of coma to use an analogy.  They can and do wake up from the coma given enough time.  It usually takes a week or two.  So it's good for the myc to colonize as fast as possible to keep the contams from waking up and getting a foothold.

Actual sterilization would make the grains turn into a puddle of ooze because it would take 24 hours of cooking or something like that.




And I think it was Citric that said that he's found jars he forgot about for a year or so, never inoculated and which never grew mold.  The jury's still out on this one for me.


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