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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18725789 - 08/19/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16925228 5. http://www.mssf.org/cookbook/part_1.html Wild mushrooms fruit in flushes, reach peak quality for a short time, then vanish until the following year. Frequently, too many are collected to be consumed fresh, and since they are perishable, techniques for preserving them were devised. They may be dried, pickled, frozen, or canned. Powders are made by grinding them after drying. "Ketchups" are concocted and bottled, and sometimes the mushrooms are salted down, a brining process in which salt is layered with the mushrooms.
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18725846 - 08/19/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18725953 - 08/19/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you started reading books about mushrooms? I'd advise David Arora's "Mushrooms Demystified" to start with.
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: pouihi]
#18725961 - 08/19/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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nope no books yet. Ill look into it TY
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18726144 - 08/19/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got to question 6 and gave up reading the rest. My apologies: 1)No, they are not dangerous that I am aware of, unless you are printing mold. Always try to use paper. Black or white. Aluminum is highly reflective and while it may be perfectly viable it is rendered untrustworthy for ID when photographed, especially with a flash. Don't use colored paper unless it's a partial print next to white and/or black paper (i.e. half the print is on white, 1/4 on black and 1/4 on another color). Brown, as in cardboard, is usually ok and fairly versatile for both light and dark prints. 2) Gyromitra esculenta (false morel) contains a chemical that is metabolized into MMH, a highly toxic and carcinogenic rocket fuel. This can come off on the hands, but is only dangerous in this manner with frequent repeated exposure. Other species also contain gyromitrin. With that one exception, handling even the deadliest mushrooms is reasonably safe. 3) Need you not worry about disgusting critters? Yes and no. They're nasty, but there isn't anything microscopic you need to worry about. 4) They can pretty much take care of themselves. Watering may help. Removing debris is good if you want to let it develop some more, but in most cases this isn't necessary. The mushroom will grow up and around the debris, or simply push it out of the way. The only solid advice I can give is to leave a few to drop spores each time. Don't pick immature specimens (pins). 5) yes, absolutely. You could go back and find new ones the very next day in many cases. 6) I'm glad you are conscious of the need to not pick everything in sight. During your learning phase it's generally acceptable to do this for the sake of higher learning, but once you get it down there's no need to pick everything you see. General rule of thumb--if it's producing spores, it's already dropped a fair amount. Picking it and walking around with it in the open air may actually help it distribute it's load better.
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Thank you for reading all the way to 6 lol. Good avice. keep it comin TY
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18726312 - 08/19/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, I *think* can muster something for the latter half! 7) WAY off of my level. I practice wilderness survival. I do not apologize to nature and she does not apologize to me. We are constantly at each other's throats and one day I'm gonna lose that battle. I may feel bad about killing that squirrel for dinner, but I am not exactly sorry I did it. This does tie into my trip experiences, but it wasn't always that way. 8)I'm not sure what you are asking about drying. On the point of edible/gourmet fungi: GO FOR IT! You will be blown away by the deep and delicious flavors of wild edibles. Seriously, portbelos, even fresh, cannot compare remotely with the rich, nutty, savory, buttery flavor of some boletes. I don't know who decided that Agaricus bisporus should be the staple mushroom, but they had very bland taste. Morels also fall into the rich and savory category, one of the best. Chicken of the woods (which I was lucky enough to find once!) does not have the flavor of chicken at all, but the texture and consistency is *exactly* that of fried chicken, if a little on the dry side. Add flavor. Even oysters are many times better than bellas and I would put them on the lower end of mushroom tastiness. Shaggy mane, when cooked properly with butter and salt, does indeed have the texture of a fine filet of flounder, and a taste not unlike it. goat's beard does in fact taste a great deal like shredded crab meat. chanterelles are delicate and spicy (a very unique spicy not like pepper at all), as are some lactarius species (although MUCH more spicy). The list goes on... 9) I have only one comment to make on A. muscaria. It tastes just like chicken and french fries. Pretty tasty indeed. The rest is unimportant to me. The cap skin and flesh can be smoked with cannabis to augment it in several ways (most importantly to combat dry mouth). Beware the nasty burnt mushroom taste... LAST) 100% IDs only come with a great deal of practice and research. As a rule of thumb, I never give a 100% ID on anything I did not pick myself, and multiple times at that. If you know you know.
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18726386 - 08/19/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. Ive been making spore prints on paper and seen people print them on aluminum foil, but my question is. Is it dangerous to have spore prints laying around the house? spores are microscopic and I wonder how many Ive spread in my house.
There are spores in the air around you at all times. Anyway you should always make sure that you're able to fold the foil to cover the print before you safely package it in a ziplock bag or some similar air tight contrivance.
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2. I rinse my hands off after handling a pile of mushrooms in the woods then further wash my hands when I get home. Ive seen people comment about noobs wearin gloves and laughing lol. I wont lie at first I was scared after handling mushrooms in the wild. Are there any mushrooms or fungus that is potent to the touch and shouldnt be handled without gloves or eyewear?
You won't get poisoned by handling mushrooms in a normal way. Unless you've got a strong compulsion to bite your nails while handling large amounts of deadly species like Cortinarius rubellus, I'd say your safe. Other than that I'd say normal hygienic routines apply.
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3. need I worry about microscopic viruses and worms? I find slugs and crawlies on a lot of mushrooms. Ive been throwing some out in the garbage. I need some advice on properly disposing of them. anymore I dont pick them unless I feel I would want to ID them. im starting to document where I find them so I can post pics here first. I been taking most of them back in the woods and throwing them out or leaving them where I found them cap down.
Kind of the same answer as above, I guess.
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4. helping the forest fungi - Is there any tips you could advise such as watering the mushrooms, or removing debri from on top of mushrooms in the wild? Tips or links to how preserve the well being of the mushrooms return in the next season.
I guess by not upsetting the habitat and substrate you'd best off letting nature take its course. You could of course, in the case of wanting to further a certain species, make yourself a load of spore solution and go on a spray foray. I don't know how effective it is, though.
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5. two parter - I may need explaining the process of a flush... A. do wild mushrooms go through a flush? B. like could I pick a mushroom and go back later in the season and find new ones there?
To A) I'd say - probably - yet if you're comparing this to the flushes in cultivation, it is rather hard to judge wether or not certain occurrences of a said species are related to one another. You might find the same species in one area which stem from different patches of mycelium, and thus it will seem like a continuous fruiting. On the other hand, wild conditions are more variable than an indoor fruiting chamber.
B) it is likely with many species, but it depends, of course, on conditions.
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6. letting them grow longer or leaving them as they were - Its a trait of newbieism. We all know the excitement can get the best of us! Our curiosity grows and spikes. we pick all of them just in case they are a delicacy. I did anyway and now I think the forest is best kept the way you find it. my question is what is your advice on the subject?
If you are picking for the purpose of identification, it is usually enough to pick fruits as they represent the different stages in development. No point filling the basket if you're not certain it is good for the table.
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7. being one with nature - It all started making sense when I was young right about the time they said in the news that plants benefit from talking to them. Over the years I grew fond of the forest and plantlife. I talk to m,y house plants. I talk to my yard plants. I talk to the trees and apologize when I break their branches! I even talk to the animals all the way down to amphibians! Im classified, documented crazy bipolar so it kinda makes sense to me because its a symptom of mania/hypomania. You should hear the deer making noises at me as I chase them out of their area lol! I dont ride my atv on deer trails I park and walk for the record. what is your take on spiritual awareness? feel free to share experiences 
All I can say is that I never dispose of anything in nature that didn't originally occur there. I'm usually rather quiet when foraging.
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8. drying mushrooms for possible later consumption - now before anyone worries. I DO NOT plan on eating something that is not IDed 100% positive in my mind. I try to preserve my health at all costs. I am merely interested in the identification as a hobby. although I am curious about the medical benefits and hallucinogenic properties there within. I heard some mushrooms such as truffles or morels (which I missed the season this year go for high dollar due to their amazing or unique and sought after flavor! I might someday want to enjoy a delicacy! I do not take drugs. aside from medication for depression and anxiety! IMHO drugs are drugs and if in a place where they are allowed and Im allowed to take them or theyre prescribed.... Then I might. maybe....just maybe....possibly....try them. If I would happen to find a delicacy....and its 100% what I think it is. How would I go about preserving them? I know theres different ways prefered for different kinds. feel free to list some of your favorite ways to preserve an edible or recreation treat.
Dry until cracker dry, store in airtight bag/container in cool, dark and dry environment.
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9. Amanita Muscaria - Im learning how to identify this highly controversial mushroom and its different species due to curiosity. I have read they are 100% legal to pick and eat providing your not trespassing or taking from a forbidden area. is this true? I thought it might be because they are so controversial in their effects and most people who enjoy psychedelics rather not gamble and turn to the psilocybin containing mushrooms instead of the muscimol/muscarine active mushrooms. I read that they are actually very tasty in comparison. They have been used in ritual situations throughout history. they are the most common pictated in children's books. responsible for the colors of xmas. they come with a warning. many people have eaten these and documented it! Im not saying Im going to try anything here, but the amanita muscaria interests me and I would like to learn to identify the correct ones for preserving (If its 100% legal of course!)
I have no experience with consumption of this species either for culinary or other purposes. You should find out what variety grows in your area, research and hunt.
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10. How do you KNOW after researching that a specimen is 100% accurate? I've found a bunch of "edible" mushrooms in my area. I remember where most of them are. Like I said earlier I might want to eventually try a delicacy such as: chicken of the woods, morel, chanterelle or giant puffball. How do I know its safe to eat? I research my butt off! But I cant decide whether to get out of bed for weeks on end sometimes doubting my every move or even my existence! So I worry a lot. easier said.
Research and study is very helpful when preparing for a mushroom hunt, yet skills and confidence predominantly comes with field experience. You can study hundreds of pictures of a certain species, but still encounter specimens in the wild that you may not be sure of. A good start is to select a genus or species which has fairly unmistakable features, and learn these both by book and first hand encounters. While hunting you are bound to come across a variety of fungi that thrive in the same type of habitat, and thus be led further into the study.
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: Anglerfish]
#18726644 - 08/19/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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well put you guys!!! TY for taking time to reply in detail!
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18726699 - 08/19/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lysergic-milkman - 7) WAY off of my level. I practice wilderness survival. I do not apologize to nature and she does not apologize to me. We are constantly at each other's throats and one day I'm gonna lose that battle. I may feel bad about killing that squirrel for dinner, but I am not exactly sorry I did it. This does tie into my trip experiences, but it wasn't always that way.
I dont see anything wrong with that hehe. To each their own you know lol. I feel kinda crazy posting all that but I was tellin the truth as it is to me. I appreciate your help and thank you for replying! 
8. goat's beard does in fact taste a great deal like shredded crab meat.
I love crab meat so this going on my list of to finds lol. thanx for the input on different edible mushrooms! I enjoyed reading it!
9. 9) I have only one comment to make on A. muscaria. It tastes just like chicken and french fries.
I agree it is very tasty. I tried some dried ones before that a friend swore he IDed 100% and took often. thats where I learned the little I do know about its smell and taste. The ones I find around here so far smell the same when dried. I just put them on aluminum foil in the oven on its lowest setting and left the door cracked checking and turning until dry I think they are muscaria but still not 100%
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18726732 - 08/19/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anglerfish - very detailed very good! excellent (mr burns) lol. I really appreciate the advice! I will do my best to reply to your advice the more I re-read it. Im going on 3 hrs sleep right now. My mental capacity is low lol.
quote: All I can say is that I never dispose of anything in nature that didn't originally occur there. I'm usually rather quiet when foraging.
quote: Dry until cracker dry, store in airtight bag/container in cool, dark and dry environment.
thats what I been reading here mostly on the subject. I dried some of the possible amanitas I found recently, love how they smell when dry! if thats what they are or not lol.
quote: If you are picking for the purpose of identification, it is usually enough to pick fruits as they represent the different stages in development. No point filling the basket if you're not certain it is good for the table.
great advice. Im wondering if the potency of the pins is the same as or different than the buttons? Like if I find a shit load that I believe are correct ID then can I pick the younger ones and they will be pretty much the same as the older mature ones?
thats how I feel even though I did throw a bunch out in areas they werent picked from recently I wont let it happen again if I can help it
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18726851 - 08/19/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read here on the forum: Cells are dividing right up until nearly maturity. Pick at or just before veil break for maximum potency. Once spores drop, mushrooms begin to die and rot.
so im wondering in the wild when harvesting can I pick the pins too? or do I have to wait until they are mature? like if I see a nice sized pin that the veil broke loose. is it ready to take and dry?
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18727419 - 08/19/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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xfsketch said: I read here on the forum: Cells are dividing right up until nearly maturity. Pick at or just before veil break for maximum potency. Once spores drop, mushrooms begin to die and rot.
so im wondering in the wild when harvesting can I pick the pins too? or do I have to wait until they are mature? like if I see a nice sized pin that the veil broke loose. is it ready to take and dry?
excellent question. That is not true of Psilocybe species. The mushroom will continue to grow AND gain activity over all after it reaches spore-bearing age. However, the rate at which active chemicals are produced is lower (presumably because that energy is going toward spore production instead), so immature specimens are stronger by weight (more potent, yes). When the veil opens is a good indicator of maturity, but the only way to know if it is actually producing spores is to check the gills. Non-producing gills will be off-white. Producing gills will slowly get darker and more saturated over the course of a day until they become dark purple.
Good luck with finding the goat's beard! It's pretty rare. I found mine at the top of an exceptionally dead tree (about 20ft high).
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so If I pull the younger ones up they are actually more potent because they havent spent most their energy trying to produce and drop spores? I will keep in mind the darkening of the spores. TY
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Re: Things I wonder about (questions) [Re: xfsketch]
#18727715 - 08/19/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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goats beard....wow 20ft up in the tree? really? wow! doubt Im finding one of those anytime soon hehe.
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