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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: circastes]
#18737653 - 08/21/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe the messed up in their past lives and this is the universes way of showing them how to appreciate the finer things like living a healthy life (physically and mentally)
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: circastes]
#18739509 - 08/21/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: I guess a possible way to understand it would be to acknowledge that we don't know WHAT we are. We may exist on other planes and our purpose in Nature could be highly strange. Our culture is the only reasonable, normal thing in existence. Nothing in Nature is ordinary. Our bodies are not ordinary. The nature of reality is not "ordinary".
So I guess a way out of feeling bad about all this is, we don't know what is happening, return to first principles.
I agree with all of this. The only thing I know is cogito ergo sum, therefore I cannot be sure whether such a girl got her body from a genetic defect or because the collective consciousness decided to incarnate in such a body for reasons that my little individual mind cannot grasp.
When I see people like this I suspend judgment about whether it's good or bad. I assume there's a purpose to it that I'd understand if I needed to.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: viktor]
#18739921 - 08/21/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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viktor said:
When I see people like this I suspend judgment about whether it's good or bad. I assume there's a purpose to it that I'd understand if I needed to.
this.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: viktor]
#18740685 - 08/22/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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viktor said: I agree with all of this. The only thing I know is cogito ergo sum, therefore I cannot be sure whether such a girl got her body from a genetic defect or because the collective consciousness decided to incarnate in such a body for reasons that my little individual mind cannot grasp.
cogito does not give you a pass to flatten all knowledge as equal or pick and choose whatever you want 
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When I see people like this I suspend judgment about whether it's good or bad. I assume there's a purpose to it that I'd understand if I needed to.
why would you assume a purpose?
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: circastes]
#18740696 - 08/22/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: I guess a possible way to understand it would be to acknowledge that we don't know WHAT we are. We may exist on other planes and our purpose in Nature could be highly strange. Our culture is the only reasonable, normal thing in existence. Nothing in Nature is ordinary.
if you don't know what you are how can you claim to know what your whole culture is?.. it doesn't seem that normal to me
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: quinn]
#18742235 - 08/22/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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quinn said:
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viktor said: I agree with all of this. The only thing I know is cogito ergo sum, therefore I cannot be sure whether such a girl got her body from a genetic defect or because the collective consciousness decided to incarnate in such a body for reasons that my little individual mind cannot grasp.
cogito does not give you a pass to flatten all knowledge as equal or pick and choose whatever you want 
In context it might, he did say "the only thing I know is cogito ergo sum" which would suggest it is the only thing he holds as inherently true.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18743239 - 08/22/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, evolution happens through genetic mutations that are desirable, and ignorance is bliss, as any intelligent and knowledgeable person who observes the emotions of people with diseases such as down syndrome knows. So if we want to be happy, should we all not attempt to, in our opinion, lose intellect? Edit: I am not suggesting mating with the mentally handicapped in order to genetically engineer a more emotionally stable child. That would be a disgusting, immoral thing to do. The reason these people are happy is because of their innocence.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: HalfLight]
#18743390 - 08/22/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The reason these people are happy is because of their innocence.
And I'll bet a lot of that innocence is a inability to grok in fullness the idea of death and impermanence. Oh how lucky for them.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: Icelander]
#18743580 - 08/22/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you do things to help and comfort these people to make their life more enjoyable, you will find your life more enjoyable as well.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: Labs4858] 1
#18743595 - 08/22/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Speak for yourself.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: Labs4858]
#18743599 - 08/22/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is a reason Sparta killed weak and ill-formed babies.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#18743671 - 08/22/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not just Sparta and there was good reason.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: Icelander]
#18743750 - 08/22/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Speak for yourself.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#18743874 - 08/22/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: There is a reason Sparta killed weak and ill-formed babies.
Well that came off a little harsh... I don't know, as someone with scoliosis I wouldn't be allowed to reproduce in a society that held such beliefs, and really, I'm not sure I want to. Partially because of that, but just bringing a child into a world that will continue to get worse seems cruel, especially when I probably won't have the assets at that age to care for them. Eh, idk, that just sounded a bit cruel to someone with my own genetics
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: circastes]
#18743969 - 08/22/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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circastes said: Life seems pretty damn great. Only one's state of mind really hides this. So there is plenty to embrace in life but how do we make sense of these unfortunate people? That's a living being, born into a hell, she might not even figure out it's a hell.
I make sense of these unfortunate people by coming to the conclusion that sometimes people get lucky and live wonderful, happy lives, and sometimes people get shit on by life and spend their years in misery only to die alone. The Universe doesn't care either way. Looking for some kind of deeper meaning or reason that justifies human suffering is a fool's errand, IMO.
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circastes said: Surely one must live for others in life if they are to be satisfied. We are wired like this I believe. So how do we approach a thing like this?
I am most satisfied when I live for myself. However a smart selfish decision on my part would be to behave altruistically to others on occasion: not only because we are social animals and companionship is almost always necessary to our happiness but because people tend to reciprocate favors and acting in a way that hurts other people all the time usually produces rather negative repercussions for one's self.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: HalfLight]
#18743981 - 08/22/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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never mind any demonstrations of satisfaction with life!
unsatisfactoriness is fundamental.
however, we do have or have had peak experiences and we are capable of cultivating health, mindfulness, and attitudes that support more health and mindfulness.
when I say health I include physical balance, and even exhilaration from time to time when suitable and possible.
it is worth doing for yourself, and for those who can take a hint, it is a good model for monkey see, monkey do.
some can't, so you do what you can with that.
Sparta was crude, maybe cruel, but so were many of our ancestors, and ourselves from time to time, and I do not want to get down on myself right now as it is not productive.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: HalfLight]
#18743983 - 08/22/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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TryinToTrip said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: There is a reason Sparta killed weak and ill-formed babies.
Well that came off a little harsh... I don't know, as someone with scoliosis I wouldn't be allowed to reproduce in a society that held such beliefs, and really, I'm not sure I want to. Partially because of that, but just bringing a child into a world that will continue to get worse seems cruel, especially when I probably won't have the assets at that age to care for them. Eh, idk, that just sounded a bit cruel to someone with my own genetics 
Then toughen up.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: Icelander]
#18743997 - 08/22/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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TryinToTrip said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: There is a reason Sparta killed weak and ill-formed babies.
Well that came off a little harsh... I don't know, as someone with scoliosis I wouldn't be allowed to reproduce in a society that held such beliefs, and really, I'm not sure I want to. Partially because of that, but just bringing a child into a world that will continue to get worse seems cruel, especially when I probably won't have the assets at that age to care for them. Eh, idk, that just sounded a bit cruel to someone with my own genetics 
Then toughen up.
 Calm your horses. I had my back sliced open all the way down the middle and titanium fused to it. Might as well be a spartan.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: HalfLight]
#18744106 - 08/22/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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TryinToTrip said:
 Calm your horses. I had my back sliced open all the way down the middle and titanium fused to it. Might as well be a spartan.
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Re: How are we to embrace life when things go so wrong for some people? [Re: HalfLight]
#18744107 - 08/22/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I went a week without donuts.
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