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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: ressa69]
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I saw an elephant doing a jig on acid today. Its alright though... I didnt see it with my eyes, my brain saw it.

Im doubtful.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: ModestMouse]
#18733363 - 08/20/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: I saw an elephant doing a jig on acid today. Its alright though... I didnt see it with my eyes, my brain saw it.

Im doubtful.
Most insightful thing I've heard all day.
But isn't the perception of the thing still real in it's own right? Did the woman see red/green? probably not. Did she perceive something that was very real. Yes.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: ressa69]
#18733378 - 08/20/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah that's what im thinking
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: ModestMouse]
#18733390 - 08/20/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I mean is there even definitive proof that I, as a non-color blind person, see red/green exactly the same as another non-color blind person?
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: floatingwater]
#18733412 - 08/20/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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floatingwater said: I mean is there even definitive proof that I, as a non-color blind person, see red/green exactly the same as another non-color blind person?
Is there even definitive proof that I, as a non-colorblind person see things the same as other non-colorblind people?
No.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: floatingwater]
#18733416 - 08/20/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, what ever anyone here thinks. She had a life changing experience. That is what counts.
And Ive decided to write a letter, to David Nichols to ask him about this and see if it peaks his interest. In short, no one here can do anything but speculate for better or worse(some of yall are debbie downers) til REAL CONCRETE scientific research into this has been conducted.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#18733441 - 08/20/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Either it's giving her the ability to distinguish the colors or not, this would be simple to test yourself with those eye test images.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#18733461 - 08/20/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Well, what ever anyone here thinks. She had a life changing experience. That is what counts.
And Ive decided to write a letter, to David Nichols to ask him about this and see if it peaks his interest. In short, no one here can do anything but speculate for better or worse(some of yall are debbie downers) til REAL CONCRETE scientific research into this has been conducted.
Period.
For the love of Jeebus, do not write to David Nichols about that. Please oh sweet jeebus in heaven do not do that.
1. He is not an M.D. so he cannot work with human subjects 2. Research involving human subjects takes years to get funding, then some years to conduct and write a good solid paper on, assuming you have sufficient data to say anything at all. 3. He will say exactly what I have already said in this thread. 4. Actually make an effort to read his papers and understand them. If you do, then you will become a better human. 5. What is your hypothesis and how would you test it?
Out of respect for what he does, consider the above. If you want someone to take you seriously, you must do that.
That woman had an amazing experience. I, among others are delighted about it. That'y why we are on this forum. Using subjective human experience as a basis for a scientific model is next to impossible. You can be clever about it and get results. But ultimately, you will never know what is happening a the cellular level. That is where all of the magic happens.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: ressa69]
#18733527 - 08/20/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cool story for real 
My colorblind friend dosed some supposed acid (read NBOMe). I was going to ask him about the whole color thing because I had heard of this too but he thought we called the cops on him and booked it and hid in a field the rest of the night much 
I'd believe the story, once while frying my brain on some NBOMe I saw a shade of purple/pink that I had never seen before. It was so indescribable because it was like pink/purple but so subtly different. It felt like A color I had never seen before.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: ressa69]
#18733607 - 08/20/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ressa69 said:
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Well, what ever anyone here thinks. She had a life changing experience. That is what counts.
And Ive decided to write a letter, to David Nichols to ask him about this and see if it peaks his interest. In short, no one here can do anything but speculate for better or worse(some of yall are debbie downers) til REAL CONCRETE scientific research into this has been conducted.
Period.
For the love of Jeebus, do not write to David Nichols about that. Please oh sweet jeebus in heaven do not do that.
1. He is not an M.D. so he cannot work with human subjects 2. Research involving human subjects takes years to get funding, then some years to conduct and write a good solid paper on, assuming you have sufficient data to say anything at all. 3. He will say exactly what I have already said in this thread. 4. Actually make an effort to read his papers and understand them. If you do, then you will become a better human. 5. What is your hypothesis and how would you test it?
Out of respect for what he does, consider the above. If you want someone to take you seriously, you must do that.
That woman had an amazing experience. I, among others are delighted about it. That'y why we are on this forum. Using subjective human experience as a basis for a scientific model is next to impossible. You can be clever about it and get results. But ultimately, you will never know what is happening a the cellular level. That is where all of the magic happens.
One, Ive written the letter already.
Secondly , I was already aware he Isn't an MD and addressed that awareness in my letter. But he has colleagues who are. Besides he is simply one of very few, who are licensed to make LSD not only for his research but any others approved for medical research.
Third of all, I have questions about psychedelic research, and pharmacology that are personally unrelated to this topic Ive wrote about in my letter as well, that not you or any other member here is qualified to the same magnitude to address.
He may not even open it, which is half the reason Im writing it in the first place. If I get a reply, awesome. If not, Im still showing my admiration through intent.
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Im licking the stamp right now. 
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#18734054 - 08/20/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No doubt, I'm glad your friend had a life changing experience. Legit breakthroughs in the way things are absolutely must be scrutinized. That's the way science works.
I'm glad you're writing the letter, but ressa brings up some very valid points that resonate with the way science has evolved to explain the world and universe around us.
If everyone just takes someone's word for truth without questioning it you end up with........ drum rolll............ a religion!
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: floatingwater]
#18734098 - 08/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am mildly colourblind and have difficulty differentiating red and green. I notice no change when I take acid.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: floatingwater]
#18734547 - 08/20/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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smack said: I am mildly colourblind and have difficulty differentiating red and green. I notice no change when I take acid. 
Another valid input. Thank you.
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floatingwater said: No doubt, I'm glad your friend had a life changing experience. Legit breakthroughs in the way things are absolutely must be scrutinized. That's the way science works.
I'm glad you're writing the letter, but ressa brings up some very valid points that resonate with the way science has evolved to explain the world and universe around us.
If everyone just takes someone's word for truth without questioning it you end up with........ drum rolll............ a religion!
True that. I still plan on sending the letter. Though I might revise some of it now before sending it.
Also, Ressa if your reading this, My apologies for my response earlier. You brought up some great points.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#18735982 - 08/21/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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AbstraKt_I_Am said:
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ressa69 said:
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Well, what ever anyone here thinks. She had a life changing experience. That is what counts.
And Ive decided to write a letter, to David Nichols to ask him about this and see if it peaks his interest. In short, no one here can do anything but speculate for better or worse(some of yall are debbie downers) til REAL CONCRETE scientific research into this has been conducted.
Period.
For the love of Jeebus, do not write to David Nichols about that. Please oh sweet jeebus in heaven do not do that.
1. He is not an M.D. so he cannot work with human subjects 2. Research involving human subjects takes years to get funding, then some years to conduct and write a good solid paper on, assuming you have sufficient data to say anything at all. 3. He will say exactly what I have already said in this thread. 4. Actually make an effort to read his papers and understand them. If you do, then you will become a better human. 5. What is your hypothesis and how would you test it?
Out of respect for what he does, consider the above. If you want someone to take you seriously, you must do that.
That woman had an amazing experience. I, among others are delighted about it. That'y why we are on this forum. Using subjective human experience as a basis for a scientific model is next to impossible. You can be clever about it and get results. But ultimately, you will never know what is happening a the cellular level. That is where all of the magic happens.
One, Ive written the letter already.
Secondly , I was already aware he Isn't an MD and addressed that awareness in my letter. But he has colleagues who are. Besides he is simply one of very few, who are licensed to make LSD not only for his research but any others approved for medical research.
Third of all, I have questions about psychedelic research, and pharmacology that are personally unrelated to this topic Ive wrote about in my letter as well, that not you or any other member here is qualified to the same magnitude to address.
He may not even open it, which is half the reason Im writing it in the first place. If I get a reply, awesome. If not, Im still showing my admiration through intent.
P.S
Im licking the stamp right now. 
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If I sound like an ass right now, well that is what 3 days of nicotine withdrawals will do to you. My apologies in advance. Ive been quite an unpleasant person today.
If you must write a "letter", send an email to one of his grad students that published a paper that you like. They are the ones actually doing most of the research in a lab. D. Nichols has moved onto doing studies on dopamine.
I once wrote a letter to J.K. Rowling about my idea for a Harry Potter sequel, because she's the only person that can really write about Harry Potter. If she doesn't write it, maybe she has some writer friends that could write it too.
I never heard back.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#18737452 - 08/21/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rich kids can't get high.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: UnholyChild666]
#18740035 - 08/21/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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UnholyChild666 said: Rich kids can't get high.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#18740085 - 08/21/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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smack said: I am mildly colourblind and have difficulty differentiating red and green. I notice no change when I take acid. 
Another valid input. Thank you.
Judging by how the thread is shaping up, I feel I should add that I can identify most shades of red and green. However I have moments where I mistake green for red, red for green, all while thinking it looks brownish while being certain it is not brown.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: smack]
#18741867 - 08/22/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tripping is funny
I was once sure I saw a new shade of green, even though I've definitely seen all the green I could ever see before this trip.
I once thought I was god, and was amazed that I had never realized it before...but I think about existential shit all the time while sober, and this idea has definitely crossed my mind.
just a thought.
Edit: regardless, life changing trips are awesome. but, for me, they start to lose their magic when you over analyze them. I hope you're keeping all this to yourself OP. wouldn't want to ruin her afterglow. mine can last weeks after a GOOD trip.
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Re: Gave a colorblind girl LSD today, she saw red and green for the first time. Any research into this? [Re: Dr.Tooty]
#18741935 - 08/22/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A Heroic dose of DMT (intense open eye visuals) would totally trip this girl's rift. Good shit though, I've never heard of something like this before.
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