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Need some prepping (gun) advice
    #18725068 - 08/18/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ever since I became a father I have been thinking about preparing for some sort of calamity.

I think I can handle the food/water/fuel supply but I know nothing about weaponry.

I have been looking at crossbows because they are available where I live but I really want some sort of gun/rifle.

If you guys could get one gun/rifle what would it be? It has to be used for hunting as well as self protection.

Any other prepping tips are also greatly appreciated  :thumbup:


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18725107 - 08/18/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You should get a Ruger 10/22. .22 shells are light to carry (10lbs for 1000 rounds) and cheap as hell. The Ruger 10/22 is an all around versatile weapon, with well placed shots being fatal from very long distances including an added advantage of being semiautomatic with virtually no kick. It is the ultimate SHTF survival Armageddon doomsday apocalyptic rifle. Then you could get a Mosquito (Walther P22 or something similar) or Browning .22 pistol and have a close range weapon as well.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18725203 - 08/18/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

For home protection, having kids, a shotgun is the way to go.
With a handgun or rifle, if you miss the bullet will penetrate walls and potentially kid your child(ren).
With a shotgun, you're much more likely to hit your target even if your aim is somewhat off, and the pellets will embed in the walls rather than penetrate.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: TopPmz]
    #18726752 - 08/19/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the advice!

I always thought American gun laws were crazy but I am starting to see their merits.

Here its a reall hassle to be able to own a gun.

1 - Need to be an active member at a range (pretty expensive)
2 - After a year of that you can get a permit for the smallest gun
3 - Random checks at your house to see if you store it properly (unloaded)
4 - A bunch of other rules
5 - It takes about 5 years to work yourself up to be able to own a decent weapon.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer] * 2
    #18726887 - 08/19/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, that's shitty rules!
There are forces at work in America trying to make gun ownership more difficult too.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18726960 - 08/19/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
Thanks for the advice!

I always thought American gun laws were crazy but I am starting to see their merits.

Here its a reall hassle to be able to own a gun.

1 - Need to be an active member at a range (pretty expensive)
2 - After a year of that you can get a permit for the smallest gun
3 - Random checks at your house to see if you store it properly (unloaded)
4 - A bunch of other rules
5 - It takes about 5 years to work yourself up to be able to own a decent weapon.



idk what part of America you live in but if I wanna buy a gun I go by a gun! they do a back ground check and I usually wait from any where from and hour to 3 days before they call me and say come pick up your firearm. that's it. 
although a concealed carrying permit does have its rules, but that's only for a pistol. I can walk down the street with a rifle or shotgun if I please. of course id be stopped but it's not illegal..

but as far as prepping weapons I go with a .22 LR rifle and a Walther pk .380 and a 12 ga. pump.
each has it's own purpose being .22=range, .380 side arm and 12ga. for bustin locks and interior conflict.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: SoreSpore]
    #18727028 - 08/19/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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SoreSpore said:
You should get a Ruger 10/22. .22 shells are light to carry (10lbs for 1000 rounds) and cheap as hell. The Ruger 10/22 is an all around versatile weapon, with well placed shots being fatal from very long distances including an added advantage of being semiautomatic with virtually no kick. It is the ultimate SHTF survival Armageddon doomsday apocalyptic rifle. Then you could get a Mosquito (Walther P22 or something similar) or Browning .22 pistol and have a close range weapon as well.



I like the 10/22 it is a good weapon all though the 22 lose so much kinetic energy at ditances due to it low grain weight in a combat situation.i recommend a pistol and carbine chambered in the same caliber,like a 9mm since the caliber is so available.
like a ruger sr9 or ruger p95 and for the carbine the ruger pc9 is a very nice weopon


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18727152 - 08/19/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
Thanks for the advice!

I always thought American gun laws were crazy but I am starting to see their merits.

Here its a reall hassle to be able to own a gun.

1 - Need to be an active member at a range (pretty expensive)
2 - After a year of that you can get a permit for the smallest gun
3 - Random checks at your house to see if you store it properly (unloaded)
4 - A bunch of other rules
5 - It takes about 5 years to work yourself up to be able to own a decent weapon.



:shockandawe:

Where do you live?


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: TopPmz]
    #18727207 - 08/19/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

TopPmz said:
For home protection, having kids, a shotgun is the way to go.
With a handgun or rifle, if you miss the bullet will penetrate walls and potentially kid your child(ren).
With a shotgun, you're much more likely to hit your target even if your aim is somewhat off, and the pellets will embed in the walls rather than penetrate.




this is very bad advice, if the pellets imbed in the sheet rock then they'll
be ineffective against an intruder, they may penetrate the skin but they wont
have the necessary energy to penetrate and kill an intruder, if you use the
recommended 00 buck shot for a defense load it will have the energy to
penetrate several layers of sheet rock only now instead of a single
projectile you have 9 that will spread and scatter should you miss your
target and that places people in the home in greater danger

a second reason that a shotgun (any long gun for that matter) is a bad
choice is because if you have to go from room to room the muzzle of that
weapon transmits your location, an intruder has to do little more than
redirect the muzzle as you're coming through a doorway or around a corner
and your weapon is useless


a pistol is more suitable for home defense because it can be kept close to
the body and as with any weapon, proper training is required so you dont
miss your target


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18727459 - 08/19/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I live in the Netherlands.

Lots of dope but no guns. Thats why I was also checking out crossbows. I checked out a few fora and they all agreed on getting American made ones.
Because you guys can use them for hunting there is a pretty decent crossbow industry going on.

I also feel a handgun is best suited for home defense but I am guesing not really suited for hunting. I see the issue with the shotgun. I live in a smallish appartment and a rifle type weapon would be cumbersome.

All walls are thick and super hard concrete (I know this from the renovation) and there is only one point of entrance. We live below the top floor and have a perfect overview of the city out back, whilst the front overlooks a massive park with a freshwater creek/pond thing going on.

Thanks for the advice! We Dutchies are complete gunnoobs  :facepalm3:


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18727468 - 08/19/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ruger 10/22

with one of those stocks that have a space in them to store firing pins and any other parts that might need replacing. They are light and bullet proof.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18728815 - 08/19/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hard to answer OP without knowing what kind of hunting you're talking about.  Generally speaking, there's not a single gun that serves every purpose perfectly.  Tactical shotgun (18.5" or shorter barrel, higher capacity tube), handgun, and machine pistols/SBR are good for home defense but I wouldn't hunt with any of those.  Semi-auto and bolt action rifles can take down a deer from hundreds of meters but I wouldn't want to go clearing rooms in my house with one unless that were the only option.  Too long and hard to maneuver in tight hallways, also a potential downside of the shotgun.
For home defense I'd say something like a MAC-10 .45 ACP with a foregrip and possibly a laser designator, or 1911 .45 ACP with Tritium night sights.  A 4" barrel .357 Magnum revolver is also an option, I love wheelguns they're fun to shoot. A 12 gauge shotgun alternating buckshot and 3" slugs would be a last choice for me as far as HD.

For hunting, you gotta research what gun works best with the game you're hunting.  E.g., I'd use a rifle for deer but a shotgun with birdshot for doves.

A crossbow is good for hunting, nice and quiet, but modern crossbows require a device to reload after each one and even with practice can take seconds to load another bolt.  So what do you do if that's your home defense weapon and you're defending against 4 burglars?  Have the others patiently wait for you to reload another bolt each time?  Not to mention that if there's anything like a wall or a door in the way of the arms on the bow when it shoots, it'll fuck up the shot.  Not good for room clearing or going around corners.
You also have to deal with broken strings.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18728948 - 08/19/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd stay away from pistol caliber carbines and shotguns with a short barrel. 
If it's about survival/protection, I'd think about getting something practical. Maybe a SKS or some kind of lever action.

I've shot 00 buckshot through a fucked up mobile home, from one end to the other.
It went through every wall. I'd trust the accuracy of a rifle over the lack of penetration of a shotgun.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18729008 - 08/19/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
Ever since I became a father I have been thinking about preparing for some sort of calamity.

Any other prepping tips are also greatly appreciated  :thumbup:




Glad to see someone get interested!

Here is a few resources for you:

25 Tips for surviving the immanent global catastrophe:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17923454#17923454

My plan for when the shit hits the fan/ survival gear list and strategy :

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17755909#17755909

Fukushima Apocalypse  (contains 75 survival tips applicable to any calamity):

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18719411#18719411

My Apocalypse Survival Stockpile and Plan :

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14910270#14910270


Enjoy your prepping!

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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18732770 - 08/20/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man! Lots of info!

I found this water purification system:

http://www.lifesaversystems.com/lifesaver-products/lifesaver-jerrycan

I think its a great long term solution as it can filter a huge amount of water.


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Re: Need some prepping (gun) advice [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #18732788 - 08/20/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Don't let moonshoes posts scare you... :tongue2::sun:


As far as a decent gun, an ar15 isn't to expensive. our family has one


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