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Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit?
#18724435 - 08/18/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let's get some discussion going. I don't think i've ever seen a more divisive topic
i am genuinely curious in this practice I think there's something to it
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
#18724443 - 08/18/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think it has its place in life. but i also think it has its boundaries.
my doctor growing up was a homeopathic doctor with a phd. alot of things i had to take for sickness or allergies didnt have big pharma behind them
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore] 1
#18724451 - 08/18/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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From what I understand, they often dilute things to the point where there can't possibly be any of the original substance left. I suppose a "drug" with no active ingredient is at least not going to actively harm you.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: psi]
#18724496 - 08/18/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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the only way to know for sure is to test it. i'd say if the ipecac actually stops vomiting then maybe there's something to it, but how would you know if it was the homeopathic or just your immune system stopping the vomiting or even a placebo effect.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
#18724528 - 08/18/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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-- A team in South Korea has discovered a whole new dimension to just about the simplest chemical reaction in the book - what happens when you dissolve a substance in water and then add more water. Conventional wisdom says that the dissolved molecules simply spread further and further apart as a solution is diluted. But two chemists have found that some do the opposite: they clump together, first as clusters of molecules, then as bigger aggregates of those clusters. Far from drifting apart from their neighbours, they got closer together. The discovery has stunned chemists, and could provide the first scientific insight into how some homeopathic remedies work.
Read more... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1532-bizarre-chemical-discovery-gives-homeopathic-hint.html --
-- physicist Louis Rey in Lausanne, Switzerland, has published a paper in the mainstream journal, Physica A, describing experiments that suggest water does have a memory of molecules that have been diluted away, as can be demonstrated by a relatively new physical technique that measures thermoluminescence
Read more... http://www.i-sis.org.uk/WaterRemembers.php --
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
#18724561 - 08/18/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had some good results using this cream called traumeel which is homeopathic.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779] 2
#18724571 - 08/18/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Placebo, nothing more, nothing less.
If Homeopathy worked there would be no drug shortages. Out of E? Dissolve one tab in a swimming pool full of water. Take a cup from that pool and pour it into another swimming pool, then take a cup from that pool and pour it in another swimming pool, making sure to stir each time. According to Homeopathy the waters ability to remember your E means you now have a swimming pool full of clean doses! Happy roll!
(It's important not to confuse the theory with the product though, some "homeopathic" products have been found to contain sizable amounts of active ingredients *oops*)
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: StygianKnight]
#18725002 - 08/18/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Part of their theory is that a tiny amount of something will have the opposite effect that a large amount would have, so that example is a little off from what is actually claimed. You would think that there would be some homepathic recreational drugs if diluting things by a crazy amount really produced dramatic physiological effects. I suppose you would have to start with a drug that produced the opposite effect you were trying to achieve though.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: StygianKnight]
#18725026 - 08/18/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: Placebo, nothing more, nothing less.
If Homeopathy worked there would be no drug shortages. Out of E? Dissolve one tab in a swimming pool full of water. Take a cup from that pool and pour it into another swimming pool, then take a cup from that pool and pour it in another swimming pool, making sure to stir each time. According to Homeopathy the waters ability to remember your E means you now have a swimming pool full of clean doses! Happy roll!
(It's important not to confuse the theory with the product though, some "homeopathic" products have been found to contain sizable amounts of active ingredients *oops*)
your logic is flawed due to lack of knowledge of the homeopathy theory
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
#18725036 - 08/18/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a homeopathic LSD experiment. Skip to the "Provers" section.
http://www.hominf.org/lsd/lsdframe.htm
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: psi]
#18725075 - 08/18/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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psi said: Part of their theory is that a tiny amount of something will have the opposite effect that a large amount would have, so that example is a little off from what is actually claimed. You would think that there would be some homepathic recreational drugs if diluting things by a crazy amount really produced dramatic physiological effects. I suppose you would have to start with a drug that produced the opposite effect you were trying to achieve though.
homeopathic meth to go to sleep!
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
#18725154 - 08/18/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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GEncore said:
your logic is flawed due to lack of knowledge of the homeopathy theory
Oh do please explain this theory!
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I think it depends on the situation, buts that is obvious. I have always gone to a homeo doctor and I don't think I would switch. I've always been happy with it. Western medicine is horrible. We are good at injuries, surgeries and mechanical shit but when it comes to diseases and sickness we don't know our asshole from our elbow.
But yeah sorry. I don't have anything to really add to the thread. Just sayin'
Check out Ayurveda bro. My sister is a anesthetist and she says that she knows many doctors that fly out of the country to get treated by an Indian Ayurveda practicing doctor because it's way more effective then the shitty drugs we have going on here. It sounds like a growing trend. I first heard about it via netflix documentary. If you are like learning about medicine you need to check it out. It's very fucking cool. One of the best documentaries I have ever seen.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: StygianKnight]
#18725179 - 08/18/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said:
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GEncore said: your logic is flawed due to lack of knowledge of the homeopathy theory
Oh do please explain this theory! 
"Like cures like" is one of the main tenets, they claim that tiny amounts of poison ivy will treat itching and so forth.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
#18725214 - 08/18/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most people confuse homeopathy with naturopathy.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: s240779]
#18725245 - 08/18/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: Most people confuse homeopathy with naturopathy.
Yeah for sure. I don't think there are that many homeopathy doctors kicking around is there ? Eh. Probably more than naturopathy, which I'm considering trying if I come down with any serious illness. Really wanna get into ayurveda.
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One thing that blows about homeopathy is they mindset on pain. I have seen all the doctors in the building I go to and so has my family. For my whole life. They wont' give out pain pills for shit. Or any abusable pills for that matter. I had 2 herniated discs (mri evidence and all) and my doc just laughs when I bring up the pain.
But not handing out pills is a good thing I suppose. I respect it. Just sucks when you really need them.
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I've gone to many naturopathic doctors and they do a lot of herbal prescribing and use homeopathy a lot. you can learn a lot from them but their treatments are complete bullshit as far as i'm concerned, except for the now outlawed vega allergy test and dietary advice.
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
#18727196 - 08/19/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i call bullshit. i have some... fuck, my minds drawing a blank. they are meant for relaxation and i got them free from wonder labs. they are homeopathy and they do not do shit.
oh, valerian root pills
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Re: Homeopathy: bullshit or not bullshit? [Re: GEncore]
#18727255 - 08/19/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes Homeopathy is Bullshit.
Here is a good article that explains why it is b.s. It is long, and has a lot of detail, but if you are truly interested then you will read it..
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/the-pseudoscience-behind-homeopathy/
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