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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18723305 - 08/18/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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muistrue said: No I don't judge people because of what kind of drugs they use. That whole my drug is better than your drug attitude sucks. I have had two friends die because of heroin though and that was really hard to deal with.
it's not the 'my drug is better than yours' argument, it's the I dont need a junkie on my doorstep every morning asking for cash or waiting for me to leave so he can rob my house to get his fix, I dont need to attend another funeral over a senseless death because some fuckhead decided smack was a better alternative to living
Couldn't have said that any better
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
#18723312 - 08/18/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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fee said: Do you mean methadone clinics?
In a lot of European countries they use Subutex rather than suboxone. Subutex is used here in the US, but very rarely. The only difference is, Subutex doesn't have the Nalaxone.
I get Subutex as do about a billion other people now. It isn't uncommon now because it's way cheaper. And Naloxone doesn't do shit. Buperenorphine is the opioid blocker, not naloxone which is just in there so people don't IV it. Which they do anyways.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: RockyRaccoon]
#18723328 - 08/18/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: So pure heroin should just be provided free of charge by the state to anyone who wants it to prevent crime. 
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fee said: Do you mean methadone clinics?
In a lot of European countries they use Subutex rather than suboxone. Subutex is used here in the US, but very rarely. The only difference is, Subutex doesn't have the Nalaxone.
In Finland the only ones who get Subutex, are pregnant women afaik. Everyone else gets Suboxone, or rather Methadone because it's cheaper
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
#18723329 - 08/18/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't naloxone an opiate inhibitor? Kinda makes sense they'd have it in tablets along with a replacement opiate, to prevent you both from withdrawing or getting high.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#18723331 - 08/18/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: Isn't naloxone an opiate inhibitor? Kinda makes sense they'd have it in tablets along with a replacement opiate, to prevent you both from withdrawing or getting high.
Naloxone is only in Suboxone to prevent IV use. That's it. And it doesn't work.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife]
#18723337 - 08/18/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying... how is it intended to prevent IV use if it's not an opiate antagonist?
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LoveYourLife] 1
#18723347 - 08/18/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buperenorphine fills the receptors and prevents new opioids from entering the receptors. It has a much higher affinity than naloxone making the naloxone pointless.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Magicman69]
#18723364 - 08/18/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes your right magic there is recovery for some of opiate users is hard though but it can and does happen
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
#18723385 - 08/18/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I definitely don't hang out with anyone who does heroin. I will cut you off quick if I find out you're doing it.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
#18723408 - 08/18/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think addicts that steal lie and cheat to get their fix are only going to destroy my life.If its your best friend or your brother try and get them help,if they dont want it or cant stay clean you have to detach yourself from them for your mental health.This goes with any addicting drug
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18723422 - 08/18/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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fee said: I'm done with heroin users.
How about yourself?
a long time ago I stopped hanging around with people that use shit like that, I kept tabs on a few friends from school, a few are dead, most have long criminal records
are there any, like one guy, who is a network administrator, with a nice house and family? you caught up with him and he was like, oh hiii Pris, yeah still doing the H. Things are great!! we should get lunch! any turn out like that?
to answer the question, no im pretty much done hanging out with big time druggies of any kind. i dont even like being around weed when its smoked. just not my thing anymore.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Learyfan]
#18723460 - 08/18/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I lost a few friends to oxy back in the day. Not in the sense of them dying (I don't think) but in the sense that they lost themselves, and became hollow addicts rather than human beings and friends.
It's sad really, it's so hard for me to watch people do that to themselves, I just don't run with that crowd anymore, so I haven't had to make a conscious effort, but I don't really associate with them either.
Well, I have one friend who uses, but I don't think it's out of control, at least not yet. We'll see I guess
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#18723730 - 08/18/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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One of my best friends has used heroin off and on for a few years. He estimated he used it 30ish times in 3 years and claims he isn'taddicted. It sucks that he happens to be a best friend,i know cutting him off will only make using more appealing, but also i can't stand the thought that anytime he doesn't respond to his phone within twenty-four hours it's likely he's dead, or in a hospital, or arrested. Op cut them off. It's only gonna bring you down. I only have him as an exception to not hanging out with addicts, and it really sucks to see someone killing themself. And plain and simple legal or not it is illegal, using it is dangerous, and no one wants to have to drag someone's seizing, convulsing ass to the ER.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#18724149 - 08/18/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whole lot of irrational, psychedelic holier-than-thou judgment in this thread, but I'm not too surprised. All I'm gonna say is that I've known heroin users who I'd trust with my life and I've known stoners who I wouldn't trust to hold a dime for me without stealing it. Sure, more hard drug addicts than not tend to become consumed by the drug and are willing to let what morals they once had fade away from the overpowering rush of euphoria, but just like anything there will always be exceptions to the rule.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher]
#18724167 - 08/18/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses judgmental blank stereotypes
good luck finding friends.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher]
#18724170 - 08/18/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also won't get close to anyone that drives hammered every day because they might die soon.
I'm not being judgmental, I just am sick of loosing friends due to selfish acts.
So please stop judging me.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
#18724193 - 08/18/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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fee said: I also won't get close to anyone that drives hammered every day because they might die soon.
Do you also cut off your friends who have stage IV cancer, say from smoking cigarettes their entire life? After all, they're almost certainly going to die soon as well, and the reason ultimately stems from their selfish behavior. My hunch is that you wouldn't.
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fee said: I'm not being judgmental, I just am sick of loosing friends due to selfish acts.
So please stop judging me.
Why not actually support these people you call "friends" and be there for them instead of casting them off like they're worthless scum?
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: deCypher] 1
#18724203 - 08/18/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Whole lot of irrational, psychedelic holier-than-thou judgment in this thread, but I'm not too surprised. All I'm gonna say is that I've known heroin users who I'd trust with my life and I've known stoners who I wouldn't trust to hold a dime for me without stealing it. Sure, more hard drug addicts than not tend to become consumed by the drug and are willing to let what morals they once had fade away from the overpowering rush of euphoria, but just like anything there will always be exceptions to the rule.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#18724236 - 08/18/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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O I have tried and helped and helped only to get fucked over by them even after saving there lives.
The only person that is currently using heroin that I associate with is my ex gf so now I'm not making any friends that use heroin.
This will help me in the long run.
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Re: I refuse to be friends with anyone that uses heroin [Re: fee]
#18724306 - 08/18/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can support a friend without getting fucked over by them, ya know. There's a difference between telling someone "I'll be there if you need advice, I can point you towards a good detox, give you tips on how to stay clean, etc..." and loaning somone money or letting them stay in your place.
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