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Back to Salvia after a long long break
    #18723961 - 08/18/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Salvia was my first psychedelic ever. Before shrooms, lsd, dmt, ayahuasca and mescaline, I only had access to Salvia. A short short trip that sometimes takes weeks and months to process, and even now, years later, I still chuckle at some of the crazier ones :lol:

I put it aside for a long time, just growing it out of habit, not actually taking it much. A few days ago I got an impulse to get some windproof lighters again and light up, like in the old days.

I was smoking basic leaf. I do have extract as well but due to reverse tolerance find I don't really need it, saving it for noobs.

I packed my hookah (don't have a bong atm, using this instead) and put Salvia lighting in the room. Super low, candles and some colored LED lights. Started burning it and huffing and puffing, and when that old amazing flavor hit me, I was immediately transported to my first trips years ago. Loooooooong toke. Looooong. When smoking leaf, my plan is to take 3 tokes, then close eyes and lay back while holding in the third one.

I then realize that the cheapo lighter I found doesn't have enough gas, and is about to run out. I start mentally wondering where I left my gas spray, to refill it. I realize I have no idea where it is, certainly not close. I start wondering if I smoked enough on this first toke, to now have to wait it out. I decide nah, it's probably negligible. I want to get up and start searching, then it hits me.

Whooooooh.....  phew .... and I drop on the bed, some very chill music in my earphones.

I feel my thoughts, usually agitated and overactive, slow down to a more healthy, regular pace. I feel my body sloooooow dooooooooown so pleasantly, as in a nice sleep, dozing off calmly towards the colorful soft mists of the Salvia lands.

Hmmm.... lighterrrr... mmmm....

Twirls are twirling around like ballerinas, lights and wisps are dancing around to the music all around me. I'm not quite out there yet, but I'm sure as hell not getting up for a while.

I listen and drift away, count one song, then two, then three ... was it four? Five already? Mmmmm so nice ...

And then about 30+ mins later (judging by the songs in the playlist), it's finally out of my system, and I can resume my regular activities. Very refreshing, very mild, definitely calmed me down, brought a nice oasis of serenity in an otherwise busy aggitated head full of mind chatter. As pretty much all the times I've ever smoked before, I am left wondering, why didn't I do this sooner? Why didn't I do this more often? Much needless stress and worry would have been averted :lol:

Turns out the lighters I bought aren't even refillable, cheap useless Chinese crap. Will need a new one. However I am now determined to get back into a healthy Salvia habit, as both in high dose and low dose it has so many great things to offer :heart::heart::heart:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18724185 - 08/18/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Right on,

Its been quite a few years for me since lady S has pulled back her veil. It was my first psychedelic experience too. I always felt refreshed and happy to be home when I re entered through the door of ordinary consiousness.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: weshroom]
    #18724915 - 08/18/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

salvia?

FUCK THAT SHIT.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Delarge]
    #18729251 - 08/19/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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salvia?

FUCK THAT SHIT.



:lol:

Had a bad trip?

Were you doing it right?

I've seen that reaction many times, then when I ask about the light level in the room, ambient noise level, being interrupted by retards in the room, at least one of them was the cause.
For me, only times when I've had any weird experiences was too much light in the room (like daylight) or being interrupted. Everything else was always :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

True I've never tried extracts over 20x, nor do I think it wise to do so, especially for first timers. Youtube is full of bad Sally trips, most of em simply doing it wrong.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18729275 - 08/19/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Have you ever watched 'Gardening on Salvia' or 'Driving on Salvia' on YouTube?  They are moslty made for the purpose of comedy but salvia does get smoked.

If you have seen them what are your reactions, feelings and thoughts about the videos?

Sorry for the off topic question I am just curious as I want to do Salvia some day, I just don't think i'm ready yet.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: ManInTheMountains]
    #18729453 - 08/19/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you ever watched 'Gardening on Salvia' or 'Driving on Salvia' on YouTube?  They are moslty made for the purpose of comedy but salvia does get smoked.

If you have seen them what are your reactions, feelings and thoughts about the videos?

Sorry for the off topic question I am just curious as I want to do Salvia some day, I just don't think i'm ready yet.



Of course I've seen them, Eric your host is a fucking amazing dude :lol:

I can say that IMO yes, those are quite genuine, it's real Salvia being smoked there all three times. Now having smoked it myself in all sorts of conditions, I would never ever EVER smoke it again in daylight. Especially if you're experienced you can do it and won't freak out, but it's just very very annoying. Like trying to sleep with the light in your face. Doable but not ok. The same thing smoked at night will give you a way better experience. For me at least, Salvia is completely internal. No good comes from being out in nature or anything like that. It's not shrooms, it's not opening you up to the outside. It's all internal, your body just needs a place to rest while your awareness teleports away. Far, far away.

As for you being ready, I can only share what Salvia told me many, many, many times. Why do you smoke so rarely? That's the feeling I always get after it kicks in, bringing immediate calm and relaxation. Seeing how it would have helped, if I smoked it a little more often. Why didn't I do this way more often? And after a long break, I am now determined to come back to it more regularly. Time's going to tell on the results.

Judging by your sig, if you smoked even one of those joints and are now alive and well, you're more than ready for Salvia :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I've had bad trips and weird head vibes from smoking too much weed, weird body feels and temporal distortions, nothing like that ever came from Salvia. Even the strangest teleports to the most un-Englishable galaxies and dimensions, have always left me smiling and full of life, cheerful for days. Please see my how to, and if you can get it, light it up. It's a wonderful voyage :nyan:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18729576 - 08/19/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the response!

I read your how to smoking salvia guide and it all makes sense to me. As of now I don't have any way to aquire Salvia, which is a contributing factor into why I haven't tried it yet. I have a friend I know through the stoner circut who always is talking about buying some Salvia online so I may need to convince him to acctually do it so I can grab a bit!

I know that I can probrolly smoke some Salvia and be fine, I just don't think I have enough balls to acctually do it :tongue:. I think i'm scared of the dissasociative affect of it, but honestly i'm just scared of tripping out that hard. In time though. I've smoked DMT twice but haven't broken through due to not smoking enough, is Salvia anywhere like DMT?

Another question: does Salvia leave a smell in the room you smoke it in like weed does? It doesn't matter too much i'm just curious.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: ManInTheMountains]
    #18729820 - 08/19/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The smell is minty, it does smell like smoke but nobody will know you've been up to anything too weird. It's not that strong.

I've only smoked DMT once, and had a very very small amount. Sally on the other hand I've smoked lots of times in all kinds of doses. Very hard to compare. Seriously look at the art of Jacek Yerka, that's (at least to me) a lot like what the Salvia lands look like.



The dissociative effect, at least for me, was quite awesome. I call it the "visitor". Basically someone/something else takes over your body for a few minutes, and you get to share memories, impressions, etc. Imagine yourself entering someone else's head, and you get to see their body, clothes, room, etc. Now the thing is, they might think they're fat/ugly or whatever, and have issues with that, but since that's not your body, you actually have a fully fresh perspective. Like if you're in a girl, you'd really be into her breasts :lol:

So what happens is that a fully fresh identity like that, occupies your head in some trips, and you get to see how they feel about you, life, your memories, etc. Memorable examples for me are the bipedal reptilian, that was quite amused that our skin wasn't green, we have no proper hunt claws, no head spikes, dubious fur on the skull, and our snout is incredibly short with useless non-carnivorous teeth. Felt very royal though, not primitive at all. The other amazing one was a tall black Zulu hunter / warfare specialist, that as soon as it entered my head, was ready and looking for something to kill. Either enemies in warfare, or prey in a hunt. Some fantastic amounts of violence were at the ready, against anything standing before him. Was floored realizing that he ended up in some European dude's room, with a computer and no victims to kill. Left terrible threats and warnings, not to waste his time again. Anyway these fresh identities are a treasure of insights and different perspectives on the world. Many of them are so weird you can't even English them at all.

Fun fact: you can't write with a pen, but you can type on a keyboard during a sally trip. Try it, with a sitter on some instant messenger. You'll soon find that the thing typing isn't you, it's the visitor. Very distinct from you. They'll actually have opinions about you, maybe messages, impressions, a different world view, and it will be quite clear that it's not you talking. You're on standby, witnessing. Highly educational :biggrin:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18729837 - 08/19/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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salvia?

FUCK THAT SHIT.



:lol:

Had a bad trip?

Were you doing it right?

I've seen that reaction many times, then when I ask about the light level in the room, ambient noise level, being interrupted by retards in the room, at least one of them was the cause.
For me, only times when I've had any weird experiences was too much light in the room (like daylight) or being interrupted. Everything else was always :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

True I've never tried extracts over 20x, nor do I think it wise to do so, especially for first timers. Youtube is full of bad Sally trips, most of em simply doing it wrong.




Nice guide. I too love doing salvia, but everyone else I talk to tells me they hate it. Perhaps it's because my room has these conditions like you describe? It's very loungey, I have lantern lights and eastern art everywhere, and I listen to chill out music all the time.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: sukhavati12]
    #18729882 - 08/19/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I too am about to try salvia again after probally a 7 or 8 yr (ordered last thurs) hope i enjoy its as much as you did


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #18730100 - 08/19/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wanna hear a story about my dumbass and salvia? Too bad, i need my post count up.

About a month ago, after a long night and a fight with my girlfriend. I came home alone. I sat and thought about my life on the back porch for a while and became severely depressed. After several failed attempts at sleeping, I decided I didn't want to have to think anymore. I smoked a pack of cigarettes, drank a 5th of Jack (on top of already being plastered), 3 bowls of weed, and downed almost a whole bottle of ZzzzQuil. 2 hours past and I was still awake, wallowing in my own depressing bitch thoughts. Then I remembered my roommate had some salvia. I had only done it once and it wasn't the best thing, very strange and confusing but definitely a strong psychedelic. I grabbed it and went back in my room and took a giant rip out of my bong. I was trying to kill everything bad inside of me, but not particularly myself. Don't ask me why I thought this was a good idea, because it wasn't. Anyway, I was trying to decide what music to put on when it hit me, fast. I clicked on the first thing that looked appealing and crawled into bed. Ready to.. well basically die in a sense. To my surprise the song I had picked had been put on repeat, thus started one of the worst experiences of my entire life.

As I layed in bed I could feel my body being overcome by all these substances at once, it felt extremely uncomfortable, but I still had control of what was happening because I could see everything in my room. Although I was uncomfortable I knew from my previous psychedelic experiences  that it was better to just "let go" and just ride it out. I did. Bad mistake. I could tell everything that was about to come was going to be awful and I should get myself out of this situation as soon as possible, maybe go outside or something.. In that moment, my computer went to sleep.. Now this is when I was utterly and completely FUCKED. I closed my eyes, and saw nothing. I opened my eyes and saw nothing. Then, I was nothing. I could hear high pitched wizzing noises zipping in and out through my body. Coming out of my fingers, my stomach, the top of my head, everywhere. I opened my eyes and couldn't make out anything (when I'm on psychedelics as long as SOMETHING is REAL i can keep it under control) but no. It was completely black, and loud, and painful (when I say painful I don't exactly mean physical pain; more of an awful anguish feeling). I thought for sure I had I died. I was dying in this space of nothingness.  Imagine being NOTHING with a conscious, knowing you're going to be even more nothing, awful. I wish I would have died to rescue me from this. It seemed like it went on for years, decades, ages. I would have much rather gone to hell than to experience this nothingness. Then I got what I wished for.... and i went to hell. Or what is currently my image of hell. Large dancing colorful flames were engulfing my body, I couldn't move. I didn't know if I was breathing or even alive at this point, in my mind I had died in my bed and gone to where I belonged. All i could focus on were these geometric neon evil flames, these flames and lines took shape of entities, and the one that liked to hang around most was a big man in a dark vibrant glowing cloak emitting nothing but pure anger and evil dancing frantically all around me and screaming obscenities at me (Google The Zozobra Festival in Santa Fe, NM. Kinda resembled that asshole). He seemed to be enjoying watching me go through this horrible pain and suffering. I couldn't move or think or do anything. The only thing I could do was hear myself scream. I could hear myself screaming "HELP ME, FUCKING HELP OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK HELP ME". Suddenly my light came on, I came shooting back into my reality and saw my roommate at my doorway scared shitless asking if I was alright. I was speechless, I didn't know if he was real or if I was really back, until I puked my fucking guts out and felt like everything bad came out of me.

So yeah, I had successfully killed myself. Gone to hell. And came back to life. This whole experience changed me and I turned my life completely around. I've been sober (except for smoking weed and shrooms) since. Very fucked up, but I'm glad it happened cause I'm not a cry baby drug addicted shit head anymore.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18730102 - 08/19/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The smell is minty, it does smell like smoke but nobody will know you've been up to anything too weird. It's not that strong.

I've only smoked DMT once, and had a very very small amount. Sally on the other hand I've smoked lots of times in all kinds of doses. Very hard to compare. Seriously look at the art of Jacek Yerka, that's (at least to me) a lot like what the Salvia lands look like.



The dissociative effect, at least for me, was quite awesome. I call it the "visitor". Basically someone/something else takes over your body for a few minutes, and you get to share memories, impressions, etc. Imagine yourself entering someone else's head, and you get to see their body, clothes, room, etc. Now the thing is, they might think they're fat/ugly or whatever, and have issues with that, but since that's not your body, you actually have a fully fresh perspective. Like if you're in a girl, you'd really be into her breasts :lol:

So what happens is that a fully fresh identity like that, occupies your head in some trips, and you get to see how they feel about you, life, your memories, etc. Memorable examples for me are the bipedal reptilian, that was quite amused that our skin wasn't green, we have no proper hunt claws, no head spikes, dubious fur on the skull, and our snout is incredibly short with useless non-carnivorous teeth. Felt very royal though, not primitive at all. The other amazing one was a tall black Zulu hunter / warfare specialist, that as soon as it entered my head, was ready and looking for something to kill. Either enemies in warfare, or prey in a hunt. Some fantastic amounts of violence were at the ready, against anything standing before him. Was floored realizing that he ended up in some European dude's room, with a computer and no victims to kill. Left terrible threats and warnings, not to waste his time again. Anyway these fresh identities are a treasure of insights and different perspectives on the world. Many of them are so weird you can't even English them at all.

Fun fact: you can't write with a pen, but you can type on a keyboard during a sally trip. Try it, with a sitter on some instant messenger. You'll soon find that the thing typing isn't you, it's the visitor. Very distinct from you. They'll actually have opinions about you, maybe messages, impressions, a different world view, and it will be quite clear that it's not you talking. You're on standby, witnessing. Highly educational :biggrin:




Wow, that sounds insane, very intriging.

I have a questiom about that last part you wrote about, how you can type but not write. So let's say I smoke some Salvia and start talking to my friend over the internet, will I remember what I say during the conversation? And when I look at the conversation later will it seem like an entierly differnt person (or entity) wrote it? I'm sorry i'm pretty confused, but this idea is just mindblowing to me!

Also about the art, I love psycadelic art, especially DMT art, thanks for posting that video! :thumbup:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: ManInTheMountains]
    #18730447 - 08/19/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i did it right.
in a dim room, without the lights on.
from a bong.
with a really powerful lighters.


and salvia 100x.


the high was amazing.


it was what happened to me after i came down.

i got so high i died.

they don't call it salvia of the ghosts for nothing. :blueangel:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: MarlboroTooth]
    #18730948 - 08/20/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Wanna hear a story about my dumbass and salvia? Too bad, i need my post count up



That's a very strange way to start a post mate, I wouldn't spell it out like that in the future :lol:

I think you got the best possible result out of your crap trip, in the sense of the alcohol aversion. I have that too by the way. One evening I had a great sally trip, was awesome, and the next day I saw a hobo drunk in the metro, doing that drunken slow blink, struggling to stay on his feet. That very instant, I could empathize with what his clogged brain must work like, with all the shit inside, and then my brain completely revolted. Physically, there was a super strong NO FUCKING WAY sensation about alcohol. I could feel it in my head, complete aversion. I was never much of a drinker, but right then I turned into a very determined active avoider of it. Anything beyond a champagne glass for major events is a complete no-no over here.

If you were a serious alcohol drinker and Sally helped you switch it off, I'd say that's a major upgrade right there. Both brain and liver have probably raised temples to Salvia and are singing songs of it :lol:

Not sure if you'll ever feel like trying it again, but you should know that the un-intoxicated Salvia lands (without alcohol in your system, good music, proper trip lights) are quite fantastic.

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I have a questiom about that last part you wrote about, how you can type but not write.



Well the writing with a pen you've seen on Writing a letter to congress on Salvia by Eric your host. That's quite accurate. I've tried drawing sketching writing with a pen, nothing really works, because you lack the complex motor skills for all those wiggles. On the other hand I've tried typing on a keyboard and it works at 100% full speed, you type like a man on a mission :thumbup:

This leads to a very interesting event, as shamans have been having Sally to trip on for a long time, but none of them has had a keyboard, which is the only tool available for reporting in real time. Your voice is out of order, can't really speak without ruining the trip, and your memory is quick to forget or mix up the facts. The real time writing of things, as they happen, that's a fantastic record, unavailable before these times.

I for one wasn't clear on how the "visitor" effect happens, until I've done this and seen what's being written during the experience. Several visitors referred to me, like Space will like this when he's back or whatever. You do have full memory, continuous, you remember how the text was written, by your hands as seen from your eyes, but the text itself is clearly not yours. For what it's worth, I can tell you that all of my visitors were thinking of me (Space) as being in the same brain, somewhere to the left. So to bring this full circle, the dissociative effect of Salvia, as far as I've experienced it, is a lot like turning the right side of your brain into an open landing pad, for outside visitors, from out there :lol:

What I suspect is more likely happening, is that your brain has certain regions going active, in very uncharacteristic combinations that your normal identity has never used before, ever. Far far from your normal habits of which centers fire up when. So parts that have never been active together, are now active together for the first time. This gives you a completely fresh view of the world for a while, and that new identity has very little to do with your usual ones, that you've identified with for all your life. Hence it can only relate to "you" as a completely distinct person from itself, because indeed it is different, it notices different things, processes information differently, and would act/react very differently than "you" would in most life situations. As you can see these are things that are quite hard to English well, and are best tried directly.
Hmm talking about this has made me want to light up a bowl and see who shows up :alientransform:

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and salvia 100x.


the high was amazing.


it was what happened to me after i came down.

i got so high i died.



I think the 100x may be the issue there. Was it your first time? Would you take 7 tabs of LSD for your first LSD trip? I've only played with extracts under 20x and basic leaf in all these years. With the strong extracts, the initial roller coaster gets way too intense if you take full on bong rips. It's very strong, very fast, and 90% of it is impossible to remember, express or make sense of afterwards. I think the key might be to take in a more manageable dose, and you can certainly toke again if you want to keep going. I've had back to back trips like that of 30-40 minutes, so it's doable but not on super strong extracts.

Anyway it seems like everybody had some kind of interesting times on this fine herb, thanks for sharing :heart:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: sukhavati12]
    #18730952 - 08/20/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Nice guide. I too love doing salvia, but everyone else I talk to tells me they hate it. Perhaps it's because my room has these conditions like you describe? It's very loungey, I have lantern lights and eastern art everywhere, and I listen to chill out music all the time.



Most likely. If you invite people over to your chill room, they'll probably like their sally trips there :tripping:

Just take care with the light levels. Evening/night is best, or well covered windows. First timers you may have to actively remind to close their eyes and lay back, flow and chill with it.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18730959 - 08/20/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Salvia was my first psychedelic ever. Before shrooms, lsd, dmt, ayahuasca and mescaline, I only had access to Salvia. A short short trip that sometimes takes weeks and months to process, and even now, years later, I still chuckle at some of the crazier ones :lol:

I put it aside for a long time, just growing it out of habit, not actually taking it much. A few days ago I got an impulse to get some windproof lighters again and light up, like in the old days.

I was smoking basic leaf. I do have extract as well but due to reverse tolerance find I don't really need it, saving it for noobs.

I packed my hookah (don't have a bong atm, using this instead) and put Salvia lighting in the room. Super low, candles and some colored LED lights. Started burning it and huffing and puffing, and when that old amazing flavor hit me, I was immediately transported to my first trips years ago. Loooooooong toke. Looooong. When smoking leaf, my plan is to take 3 tokes, then close eyes and lay back while holding in the third one.

I then realize that the cheapo lighter I found doesn't have enough gas, and is about to run out. I start mentally wondering where I left my gas spray, to refill it. I realize I have no idea where it is, certainly not close. I start wondering if I smoked enough on this first toke, to now have to wait it out. I decide nah, it's probably negligible. I want to get up and start searching, then it hits me.

Whooooooh.....  phew .... and I drop on the bed, some very chill music in my earphones.

I feel my thoughts, usually agitated and overactive, slow down to a more healthy, regular pace. I feel my body sloooooow dooooooooown so pleasantly, as in a nice sleep, dozing off calmly towards the colorful soft mists of the Salvia lands.

Hmmm.... lighterrrr... mmmm....

Twirls are twirling around like ballerinas, lights and wisps are dancing around to the music all around me. I'm not quite out there yet, but I'm sure as hell not getting up for a while.

I listen and drift away, count one song, then two, then three ... was it four? Five already? Mmmmm so nice ...

And then about 30+ mins later (judging by the songs in the playlist), it's finally out of my system, and I can resume my regular activities. Very refreshing, very mild, definitely calmed me down, brought a nice oasis of serenity in an otherwise busy aggitated head full of mind chatter. As pretty much all the times I've ever smoked before, I am left wondering, why didn't I do this sooner? Why didn't I do this more often? Much needless stress and worry would have been averted :lol:

Turns out the lighters I bought aren't even refillable, cheap useless Chinese crap. Will need a new one. However I am now determined to get back into a healthy Salvia habit, as both in high dose and low dose it has so many great things to offer :heart::heart::heart:




What extract do you usually smoke

And do leaves do the same for you now as it?


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: lessismore]
    #18730961 - 08/20/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dealextreme has both 1mg scale and cheap torch lighters
.very cheap

I love salvia but still do it rarely every 6-12 months

Just dont listen to psykovsky when tripping salvia is dark enough already :wink:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: lessismore]
    #18730969 - 08/20/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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What extract do you usually smoke

And do leaves do the same for you now as it?



I still have some 10x I believe (lost the label on the bag years ago, I think it's 10x) but I mostly use that for others, first timers. If I use it at all, it's only by adding a little bit to some basic leaf. I really get a much stronger reaction out of Salvia now, compared to my first trips. I'd say yes, the leaves work in the exact way as the extracts. Same direction. Visuals, body feel, everything's about the same. 3 good tokes of leaf and it's space travel time :biggrin:

Scale I have, and I live in Europe, the shipping would cost me 5 times more than the lighter if I ordered it on the net. Will find a new one here locally, just need to search some more.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18731129 - 08/20/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Any experiences with taking salvia sublingual?


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    #18731151 - 08/20/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

nah. 100x was good.
i just didn't understand what salvia was for.
death in exchange for unlimited power.

i saw the birth of a new universe man.  :aum:

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    #18731230 - 08/20/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Any experiences with taking salvia sublingual?



I tried quids a few times, for me they didn't do much. The taste is quite bitter, especially seeing how you have to hold the leaves in your mouth for quite a while. I also suspect the Salvinorin being absorbed that way is negligible. Nothing like smoking.

Haven't tried more concentrated extracts, that might work much better. If I could have smokeless salvia in some form, that would be absolutely amazing!


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18731562 - 08/20/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I am trying some x5 right now, don't know how much I should dose but we'll see what happens... The taste is rather nice. :thumbup:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Satanschild]
    #18731774 - 08/20/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think its fair to note that although salvia only lasts 30 minutes tops, you will feel the drain of an 8 hour acid trip. Atleast thats how I feel after a good sally experience. Still havent gone all the way to salvia land, but even so its quite nifty.

Salvia isnt quite fun, and its not exactly scary, its simply interesting.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Delarge]
    #18731826 - 08/20/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i saw the birth of a new universe man.  :aum:

my universe.




Im so glad to see that other people have the capacity to at least attempt to understand salvia,
It bothers me when people just see it as a "legal high" and use it to try and get fucked up. People who go into it with that mindset will ALWAYS be disappointed or overwhelmed.
They ruin it for themselves and others.

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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Satanschild]
    #18732291 - 08/20/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

mio said:
What extract do you usually smoke

And do leaves do the same for you now as it?



I still have some 10x I believe (lost the label on the bag years ago, I think it's 10x) but I mostly use that for others, first timers. If I use it at all, it's only by adding a little bit to some basic leaf. I really get a much stronger reaction out of Salvia now, compared to my first trips. I'd say yes, the leaves work in the exact way as the extracts. Same direction. Visuals, body feel, everything's about the same. 3 good tokes of leaf and it's space travel time :biggrin:

Scale I have, and I live in Europe, the shipping would cost me 5 times more than the lighter if I ordered it on the net. Will find a new one here locally, just need to search some more.




Postage to eu is free iirc from dx
Maybe 5 bucks for quality torch with postage
Or 3 for one that breaks with time

Scale is cheap postage too  everything there is

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Satanschild said:
Any experiences with taking salvia sublingual?



Yup
No effect here tried 5 times  both extract and leaves
Very bitter can still taste it I think
It worked combining grav bong smoked and sublingual
Floor bent around my legs 30 degrees hard to get back to living room from the kitchen
Acid like morphing room visuals

Leaves have no effect on me either till i have smoked extract
Exceptlight visuals  and stoned
Good for meditation I guess

Had 3 long lucid dreams after salvia once in 3 hours sleep or so
Usually only have one if lucky


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: lessismore]
    #18732301 - 08/20/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Tribes in South America/Mexico/Central America in the olden times used to chew on the leaves almost as much as they smoked them. Larger amounts were necessary, but similar states of mind can be achieved. I'm sure smoking is the most extreme though.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: ModestMouse]
    #18735659 - 08/21/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think its fair to note that although salvia only lasts 30 minutes tops, you will feel the drain of an 8 hour acid trip. Atleast thats how I feel after a good sally experience. Still havent gone all the way to salvia land, but even so its quite nifty.

Salvia isnt quite fun, and its not exactly scary, its simply interesting.



I find this rather curious, as my experience at least has been very different. What kind of extract have you been smoking, what strength if I may ask? And what do you mean by drain?

Very strange that you've had experiences strong enough to leave you feeling any drain, yet not flood and immerse you completely in crazy visuals. The only times I can remember that I didn't break through, were experiments like putting salvia in a hookah, and putting a hookah coal on top, rather than burning it as one should. This made a smoke that gave me very weird / useless effects, just a weird body feel and dizziness, but I suspect no Salvinorin A to provide any visuals. Other than that, all the trips that had any effect at all, came with incredible teleports and identity dissolution in my case.

As for it being "not quite fun" again, I can't relate at all. Especially on extracts, both for me and most friends I've shared it with, Salvia provides some of the deepest laughter episodes I've ever encountered. I've literally had sore muscles around my ribs from sheer laughter, which has never happened with any stand up comedy show, ever. I'd call that pretty fun :lol:

I now have a rule that I don't smoke extracts if other people are present, as I'll just be overpowered by completely uncontrollable laughter, and the noise would ruin the others' trips.

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Postage to eu is free iirc from dx
Maybe 5 bucks for quality torch with postage
Or 3 for one that breaks with time



Holy smokes, you're right :biggrin:
Making an account and ordering right now. I had no idea at all about this site. Very useful!


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: Spacerific]
    #18737081 - 08/21/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Im using some questionable stength 10x.

I get a bit of salv grav, my mouth tends to hand wide open, and I get a small mindfuck and some wave like visuals.

I have no yet been to salvia land.

Ive done multile hits out of a pipe with a torch lighter and held it in.


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    #18737348 - 08/21/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Im using some questionable stength 10x.

I get a bit of salv grav, my mouth tends to hand wide open, and I get a small mindfuck and some wave like visuals.

I have no yet been to salvia land.

Ive done multile hits out of a pipe with a torch lighter and held it in.




First time I hit salvia in my glass pipe I barely felt a thing, just odd headspace for minutes. Second time I was like 'fuck it i'll be fine'. Packed a fat bong hit, used a windproof lighter, hit it in one. Counting...10...15...20...25-exhale.

Whole dimension collapsed in on itself upon exhaling.

Clear a bong in one and hold it for 25 sec -you will get there :laugh:


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: ModestMouse]
    #18738023 - 08/21/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Im using some questionable stength 10x.

I get a bit of salv grav, my mouth tends to hand wide open, and I get a small mindfuck and some wave like visuals.

I have no yet been to salvia land.

Ive done multile hits out of a pipe with a torch lighter and held it in.



Ok this is what I wanted to get at. Especially if your extract might be weaker, then the smoking method really counts. You have to force in a lot of smoke in a short amount of time. Assuming you're using a windproof lighter and using it right, you CANNOT use a simple pipe, or you'll burn your throat. If you're using a pipe and not burning anything, I suspect you're not pulling or burning it enough.

To clarify - you have to not just light it up briefly to start it off, as you would with bud. You have to inhale like a man on a mission, AND continuously scorch that herb to kingdom come with the super hot flame. Your bowl should look like a fucking volcano. Pure lava. Without water cooling this WILL burn your throat if you pull it right. I have done this once by using a bong that was too small for the job. Here's my equipment from back then. Red bong worked AOK, that was my main space travel device for a long time. The smaller glass one burned my throat on a proper righteous inhale. Goes without saying that a normal pipe would burn even worse as it has no water.

So improvise a bong out of a bottle if you have to, add a few ice cubes, then burn the herb and pull it all in like your life depended on it. If there's any Salvinorin on those leaves it will work for you eventually. I think I got it right on my third try when starting out. First two were duds, then the third one went like







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    #18738439 - 08/21/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18738602 - 08/21/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The graphic style reminds suspiciously of electric retard :lol:

In other news, I was considering a new thread about my upcoming salvia project, but I think this one will do. Basically I am out of all other psychedelics for a while, and so for at least a month, I will focus specifically on Salvia.

I started with it, then took a long wide detour through shrooms, acid, ayahuasca, mescaline, HWBR, and now here we are completing a full circle, back to Salvia again. I realize that the short-acting nature and specific vibe of it offers unique advantages. Planning to do it a lot over the coming month, and see exactly what kind of art comes out of it. There's a big goa party coming next month, I got some fluorescent textile paints, and now I need to make some space gear. Surely space travel and interdimensional teleports will help with that. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Loading my mp3 player as we speak, for another trip. Hopefully my lighter won't crap out on me again. Ordered a good one on dealextreme, but until it arrives I'm stuck with a 30 cent super cheapo Chinese version, that may or may not be impossible to refill.

Should be an interesting month :lol:


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    #18738762 - 08/21/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18738806 - 08/21/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #18738846 - 08/21/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

holy fuck they're blue.!!!:blueangel:


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    #18740062 - 08/21/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All right, first mini trip done. 3-4 long deep hits with basic leaf. This hookah cools like it's nobody's business. I couldn't even feel the smoke, but my lungs were full with it, thick white smoke on the exhale.

Went traveling for a good 30 minutes at least, to this internal place I've seen before, many times, just didn't really have a name for it. It was now called the Wide Open Space Where Things Happen. That is, you put your head on the pillow, and immediately become one with the bed, then one with something completely different. Sometimes the soil in that place, or part of some building, or part of some indecipherable component, of some other indecipherable larger device, that does something.



Activity is happening. These entities may be carrying nutrients to some other place, after some harvest. They may be in some far away techno-rural village, going about their proper well behaved well educated business, as our kids might do in our villages. They just have way more antennae and fractalic surfaces :lol:

Immediately the relation to self changes dramatically, totally. It goes from being a homo sapiens on a bed in a room on planet Earth, to the non-vertebrate, non-eyeball having homogenous mildly sentient glue that holds the bricks together in an alien wall, the pipeline that guides some sort of liquids through an engine or the ax of a wheel in a strange vehicle carrying some harvest to who knows where, to pay some medieval type of tax, in a very different dimension from ours. Visually it's nothing like here, all the rules and perceptions and even the thoughts are quite different.

I am watching what looks like hyper complex 3D fractals, but feels like two young teens going home on a road, riding Chinese bycicles, next to a red Chinese barn and tractor in a potato field. I am the soil looking up from under the red-magenta potato leaves, I feel the potato plants growing pleasantly from where the back of my head fades seamlessly into the dreamy soil, providing shade with their leaves as they are moving slightly in the breeze. The sky and horizon have pointillist patterns, cream yellow lemon green colors and gradients, fading and shifting slowly, calmly. Beautiful sunny summer day.



I see scenes with vast swarms of zeppelins and air ships, with that same mechanical+living vibe about them, filling the sky in a vast ecosystem. Buildings get created in mid-air, segment by segment, room by room. There are no straight lines, there are no simple planes. Everything is curved, ornate, shimmering and reflecting. Looking like video games, cartoons, hyper-realities, paintings, animations, etc.

Vast crevasses downwards are filled with non-human balconies, windows, all manner of undecipherable devices, openings and protuberances, from what might be buildings, or just as well the living breathing skin cells of a vast hyper-being. Things glow, membranes wave, soap-bubble like rainbow colored transparent liquid screens form amazing objects. Sharp colors give a sense of cleanliness, orderliness and mirth to the whole scene. There's no dust, there are no particles, everything seems clean, smooth and shiny. I am shiny as well, because at no point was I a human looking at this from the outside. I was parts of various objects making up the scene, looking from my surface to others like it.

Movements become identities. The forward motion of an object is as alive and sentient as we assume beings to be sentient over here. The object might be lifeless, but the motion itself is alive and sentient, and there's a dialog going on between me, the forward or left motion, and backward and right motion. The front surface of a lifeless object has a complete sentient identity, that is completely distinct from the other side of the same object. Awareness and identity are connected by different rules to matter, not at all like here. Strange wonderful amazing lands.

30 minutes of this goes on, and my body is absolutely motionless for most of this time, relaxed to the max. Not a finger moving, not a partial blink, not a shift from left to right or anything. As I get back to remembering the room, planet Earth and where and what I am, I can consider the rooms of the house, think about them, invest mental effort in whatever needs thinking about, but I am not even considering physical movement. 30 minutes of stillness and chill orbital gliding, in a head that's usually too busy, chattering, filled with mental noise. Very very welcome experience for sure :biggrin:


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    #18740280 - 08/21/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I tried salvia only two days ago. But here's the catch, I brought what was apparently 'salvia' it was named 'Mary Joy UK Exodus Damnation' I was with a group of four friends and I decided to hit it first, obviously thinking it wasn't the correct shit, I packed a bowl in a chillum and lit it up with a windproof lighter.

After I took a huge hit I held it in for like 30 seconds, maybe even passed that time mark. Now, me being me I like to think I knew more about salvia than the group of friends I was with and was confidently saying 'I don't think this is salvia, its not gonna hit the same' (this is after trying to find reviews/trip reports etc, I wasn't trying to scare my friends) anywhow, a lot of research prior too doing this played a key role, but none of the videos/pieces of information came close to experiencing what I felt.

Back to the smoking anyhow, me and my friend brought a chillum each (2 chillums between 4 people) and had the first experience while in my room. I went a few minutes before my friend as the other 2 friends were sitting us. Anyway, I got my scales and weighed up around 0.18, took out 2 stalks (the product looked just like grinded weed may I add but smelt like strawberry yoghurt)  out and added some more of the herb to make up for it, stalks weighed around .05, I halved this amount and filled my chillum with it and squashed it down so it was more compact, my friend did the same. I took the first hit and held it in like I previously stated and rocked back towards my wall, my head hit my bed and I was pretty comfy, 5 seconds later I started making weird laughing noises like everything was funny. The thing that was weirdest was it didn't sound like me? And was extremely frightening. At this point my friends were repeating things such as 'really, really, omg' as if to say this bunk looking stuff actually works. About 20 seconds passed of the weird noises and that was it, I can only remember slight details butt I'll try describe them as good as I can. I was somewhere random, didn't have a clue, but not like a place or building I was in my mind so to speak, and there was lots of other minds too (don't know who's and I couldn't see them) anyway, my life kinda began flashing before me and one of the only things I can perfectly remember is that I accepted myself to be dead, I thought of lots of stuff that involved family etc and it was just too much. I remember trying to block this out but everything was moving really quickly and these minds were attacking me so to speak, really not a good experience. I remember coming back looking at 2 of my friends - I had no idea who they was, I didn't even realise I was in my room, despite how obvious it was (I have distinctive posters that I could see) also, when looking at my 2 friends (the sitters) I was questioning who they were, and it was really f****ed up by this point. Note: I didn't see my other friend for some reason, maybe cause he was tripping too? About 5 minutes passed and I could hear 'he's coming down now he's just confused' and I was staring at these people, I thought it wasn't real. I also remember this pretty well but its hard to explain and I would love to know if anyone else has/had this experience, after all the bad went away my trip fast forwarded; like really fast. And I opened my eyes after that and I wasn't aware it was me in my body, I thought I was someone else and these people just looked a lot like my friends. After that, it happened again; a second time. Things sped up really fast and I just fell into reality my room looked brighter and I was still in denial if it was my room and if these were my friends. Let me tell you after I realised these was my friends and this is my room I kinda freaked out. I was also sick 4 times after the experience and I doubt I'll forget it for a while, I also was quite upset and randomly cried for no longer than 10 seconds.

If anyone is wondering my friends claimed to have cliche trips with warps and weird colours but that was after they had it. One of them later text me saying how he 'had to survive'.

Salvia is a really weird experience so approach it with caution. I probably will experiment with this again but not anytime soon.

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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: shroomlowie]
    #18740390 - 08/21/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for sharing.

Look here's my Salvia guide, what works well for me at least. I recommend you go and use that as a checklist, and just count how many things you got right, how many you got wrong in that room.

IMO you got the lighter right, maybe the chillum, since you obviously had enough Salvinorin giving you a trip. So no problems there. Then the light in the room, unknown. The eyes, sounds like you didn't really know you have to close them and keep them closed throughout. No problem, you learned it now the hard way. Open eyes do tend to make your trip weird. Music, doesn't sound like you had headphones, and they make a world of difference. You did mention you heard your sitter's voices, which IMO is a big no-no, as it interrupts the flow and drags you back, maybe even makes you open your eyes before the trip is over. It's like trying to get a good night's sleep with people talking in the room. It doesn't mean that sleep doesn't work, it means you're trying to do it with too much noise around.

So on and so forth. Just go through the full list and add them all up. Salvia is usually great if you do it right, and if you don't, then the light will sting you, your open eyes will freak you out, noise will interrupt you, the lack of proper music will give you weird vibes or strange visions, etc. I've done all of them before, hence the long list of how I like to trip. Everything that's there has a reason for being there, usually a crappy trip/good learning experience.

What you felt internally is of less importance IMO, I suspect most of the bad feelings were due to open eyes, too much light, too much noise, unclear music. The parts about you coming back, seeing your room, feeling weird and crying, I'd say that's standard. As in, you likely still had Salvinorin in your system. Your eyes should stay closed and no light should hit them, not even through closed eyelids. Open your eyes in that state and you'll start feeling annoyed, strange, alone, all manner of bad vibes. While on Salvinorin you shouldn't be in your body staring at your room, but far far away swimming with the manatees out in fractal space :lol:

You do need sitters that know to shut up for as long as it takes, and yours didn't. Do it right and you should see quite a bit of difference.

Good vibes :heart:

EDIT: Oh and for the love of all tripping gods do smoke it one at a time, not two like you did. As you've seen people can laugh during trips. You laughed a little. Some people laugh until their ribs hurt. Now imagine being the other guy in the room, trying to have a quiet mellow trip, when all hell breaks loose around you, with a million demons laughing hysterically in your head, while you're trying to make sense of the insect wars out there. Not cool. Really not cool, trust me.

One smoking device, and smoke one at a time. It's not a group experience, it's fully internal and different for every person.


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    #18740521 - 08/22/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I actaully unintentionally ticked a lot of those things except for the light (I wasn't aware of light, dark, night or day or anything so can you explain how that helps) and the music, this was because I read somewhere that it ruins it? I see this could be a heavy debate where preferences differ. Also when my eyes were open it was only as I was coming out. Has anyone ever had the experience where everything goes fast just before you fall into reality? Also I forgot to include this, it took me at least 10 minutes just to understand how I got in my room? I don't remember going up my stairs? Buying the salvia? Going to get it? Who my friends were, nothing. I also heard my dog barking and it took a while to realise I have a dog? Why was this? Everythings clear now of course just a really big mindfuck.

I know I keep mentioning it but I'm sure someone has had the experience where everything goes fast at the end, and you fall into reality and it happens again? And its like its not you? Like the only time you've been in the room your in and the people in the room were total strangers.

Also, we done it at the same time because my friend was only comfortable doing it if his friend was doing it. I didn't really mind hence me going first. Also, mindset was fine, like I said I wasn't sure if this was the real deal so I hit it with no tension or anything?

I can imagine it being a very good experience when done properly but I believe I did? Also one last thing, did I have a breakthrough? I think I did but it may not have been as intense as other breakthroughs? I definitely accepted I was gonna die and I kept thinking if I die in this dream world it means I'll be killed in the real life, by entities. I could also hear things saying my name, but not in a nice way. Oh no. Extremely scary.

Also, too the experienced users looking at this probably thinking its nothing etc it was something to me, especially not ever experiencing anything like this in my life. It was worse than my worst nightmares and a lot more vivid/easy to remember aftrwards. The confusion is also overwhelming.

BUT, and its a big but :wink: this could have been due to it being my first time, now I kinda know what its capable of I believe my experiences can only be somewhat better.

Also, say I do it again in around a month, will I need less or the same? I understand it is reverse tolerant but how long does the tolerance last? Like when does it wear off.

Thanks guys, just feel the need to conversate with experienced users as this was a intense trip and I now actually feel like I had a near death experience and that I'm extremely lucky to be here. Life is definitely took for granted and it only appears to be precious at most when you think your dying. It has definitely altered my perception and my thoughts.


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Re: Back to Salvia after a long long break [Re: shroomlowie]
    #18740717 - 08/22/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Also when my eyes were open it was only as I was coming out.



When YOU THOUGHT you were coming out. Just because you remember who you are and what planet you're on again, doesn't mean all the Salvinorin cleared your system. Read the guide again, the part about keeping eyes closed.

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Has anyone ever had the experience where everything goes fast just before you fall into reality? Also I forgot to include this, it took me at least 10 minutes just to understand how I got in my room? I don't remember going up my stairs? Buying the salvia? Going to get it? Who my friends were, nothing.



Yeah. Because you still had Salvinorin in your system. You were only partially back. Your head was filled with memories from the trip. You're actually back when all the visuals stop, the body sensations stop and you know 100% what happened, where you are, etc. That's quite a while after the Roller Coaster ends.

All of what you've described is the first part of the trip, what I call the Roller Coaster. Then you did what my guide said not to do: Open eyes straight after the roller coaster, miss more than half the trip (the second part, quite long as duration) and that's why IMO you had a weird experience. Next time just keep your eyes closed some minutes longer than when you think you're back, you'll see there's plenty of trip left, but it's more subtle. 

As for the light, it's pretty self explanatory. Low light. You don't believe me, smoke in daylight and open eyes, see what happens.

About the music, maybe some people prefer silence or whatever. For me, the trips with headphones and instrumental music offer the most immersive visuals, the absolute very best in what Salvia has to offer. Silence has no rhythm so the visuals are more boring and there's less of them. Music with words ruins the "being something else" effect, because it draws you back to this planet sooner. IMO that is useless if you're trying to trip, so avoid words in your music. Salvia will speak its own alien language. The headphones over speakers is a no brainer. Try it, see the difference.


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    #18740925 - 08/22/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Also when my eyes were open it was only as I was coming out.



When YOU THOUGHT you were coming out. Just because you remember who you are and what planet you're on again, doesn't mean all the Salvinorin cleared your system. Read the guide again, the part about keeping eyes closed.

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Has anyone ever had the experience where everything goes fast just before you fall into reality? Also I forgot to include this, it took me at least 10 minutes just to understand how I got in my room? I don't remember going up my stairs? Buying the salvia? Going to get it? Who my friends were, nothing.



Yeah. Because you still had Salvinorin in your system. You were only partially back. Your head was filled with memories from the trip. You're actually back when all the visuals stop, the body sensations stop and you know 100% what happened, where you are, etc. That's quite a while after the Roller Coaster ends.

All of what you've described is the first part of the trip, what I call the Roller Coaster. Then you did what my guide said not to do: Open eyes straight after the roller coaster, miss more than half the trip (the second part, quite long as duration) and that's why IMO you had a weird experience. Next time just keep your eyes closed some minutes longer than when you think you're back, you'll see there's plenty of trip left, but it's more subtle. 

As for the light, it's pretty self explanatory. Low light. You don't believe me, smoke in daylight and open eyes, see what happens.

About the music, maybe some people prefer silence or whatever. For me, the trips with headphones and instrumental music offer the most immersive visuals, the absolute very best in what Salvia has to offer. Silence has no rhythm so the visuals are more boring and there's less of them. Music with words ruins the "being something else" effect, because it draws you back to this planet sooner. IMO that is useless if you're trying to trip, so avoid words in your music. Salvia will speak its own alien language. The headphones over speakers is a no brainer. Try it, see the difference.



Just to clarify, I'm not arguing with you, I'm not trying to say you're wrong in anyway cause you most likely aren't.

I wasn't in control of my eyes, cause I'm pretty sure I shut them to start off with, maybe they just opened themselves?

I'm going to follow your guide next time I do it, the only reason I didn't last experience was because I never came across it.

Next experience I have I will pm you and let you know how it goes, do you have any idea on the success rate of having a good trip following your guide? And by good I mean not bad, I've heard no salvia trips are exactly good :laugh:

Thanks for all the help and advice


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    #18743511 - 08/22/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Same here, no arguing or anything of the sort :biggrin:

I would say the vast majority of my trips now end up feeling great. If you can avoid all those interference sources, what you have left is a wonderful voyage to far away magical lands follow by a very chill 20-30 minutes. I've shared my herb with friends many times, and I'd say about 2 out of 3 have a fairly decent trip. Maybe a bit overwhelming if it's their first time, but I've never had a friend panic or feel horrible or anything like that. Back in the day, before I knew to avoid light, I gave some to this girl during the day, and she got a bit scared. Now I know it had a lot to do with open eyes in daylight.

I have a few friends that seem to be impervious to Salvia, they've smoked several times, doses that would make me climb the walls and for them nothing happened.
I don't know what's up with that, maybe they'd need stronger extracts than what I have :shrug:


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    #18792771 - 09/02/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Had a good Salvia evening yesterday.

I've done some incredibly stupid shit the day before, like the monumental fuck-up of the year, an unbelievable clusterfuck of amazing proportions, captain of the failboat, :facepalm: extraordinaire. I was feeling like complete and utter crap, and I'm pretty sure that it's only my previous aya trips and and :sporedrop: and acid trips that kept suicidal thoughts at bay.

So in that state, knowing that Salvia is indeed more powerful than our flimsy human attachments, I decided to do some Salvia therapy. I filled my hookah with some 5x extract, which now in retrospect I am starting to suspect it's losing some potency. If I had stronger, I would have used stronger.

And I hit it. I hit it as hard as I could, all proper context, the aim being to simply sever the connection with my current identity, and the shitty reality I've come to inhabit. The Salvia realms are at least for me, a fine loving caring embrace, compared to some of the rugged corners of this place. As a brain immersed in a body, the chemical balance offered by the Salvia is much more caring than the one offered by a depressed human body filled with stress.

And off we went. I went to the place where things happen, where the back of my head touching the pillow, extends and expands, and the inner visual field becomes 360, stretching to the horizon. I become an observation point, part of that inner world, part of the ground (?) in that area, I become glue keeping bricks together, I become actions, surfaces, I become the feelings of surfaces as they move or interact, I become the intention of inanimate objects to be moved, to interact, to experience all manner of colorful experiences. Vibes and feelings are objectified into actual shapes. Granite monoliths intending to have different color skirts and shoes next Sunday in church, mechanical fractal objects talking telepathically about how much sugar they like on apple pie and so on. Very specifih human experiences (not my own) are projected deep into completely alien entities, environments and interfaces. Silicone space snails mixed with boring small town life, the thoughts and issues of some random teenage girls in some random school somewhere.

While there, there is no Spacerific, I have literally forgotten what it's like to be connected to the body of a human, or any vertebrate for that matter. I am bodyless. Just an observation point, suspended in mid-air looking ahead. I am stretched and swooshed and swirled liquidly. I am colored away into a space that's light years deep inside the alien rabbit hole.

I sort of start to come back, I realize I'm in the control area of a homo sapiens body, and realize that I've attached myself way too tight to it and its troubles, and there's wear and tear at certain points. A sort of identity blisters, for using the same tool too much in the same way without break. Breaks are good, from being human as well.
It's very healthy to be :alientransform:'ed out of your standard identity, and Salvia can definitely facilitate that process, giving you more control.

I came back more disconnected from my previous troubles. Space and perspective has been put between me and them, the immediacy of the horrible emotions and pain has been lessened and healed. There are more things to me than this one human I inhabit when awake. There are more states and identities to myself than Spacerific (I mean my RL name here, who I am in RL on a regular day). The universe is larger than my little fish tank, and there are many things to focus on, other than what expectations I didn't meet this week. A MUCH larger context is available.

Deeply recommended to depressed people, anxious people, tormented people in general. If all your mental landscape is inhabited only by your physical life, and all that's not working well right now, then yes, a journey through the Salvia portal will help you. You can't be told about this, you have to connect and experience it directly.

I for one trust this plant. I know especially if you're going through a bad time it's hard to trust and let go, easy to keep clutching in panic. Through previous testing and seeing it take care of me, I now trust this green wonder with my worries and troubles, and have seen that trust well repaid once again. It does give wisdom and perspective, relevant to you, in the moment. If you trust it, it may help you as well :thumbup:


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